Large Hadron Collider being sabotaged from the future??

[Sadsack]

This is fascinating. Many have suggested that the technology behind Morgellons is from the future. Some scientists believe that such things are possible:

A particle God doesn’t want us to discover - Times Online
A particle God doesn’t want us to discover

Could the Large Hadron Collider be sabotaging itself from the future, as some physicists say

Jonathan Leake
Explosions, scientists arrested for alleged terrorism, mysterious breakdowns — recently Cern’s Large Hadron Collider (LHC) has begun to look like the world’s most ill-fated experiment.
Is it really nothing more than bad luck or is there something weirder at work? Such speculation generally belongs to the lunatic fringe, but serious scientists have begun to suggest that the frequency of Cern’s accidents and problems is far more than a coincidence.
The LHC, they suggest, may be sabotaging itself from the future — twisting time to generate a series of scientific setbacks that will prevent the machine fulfilling its destiny.
At first sight, this theory fits comfortably into the crackpot tradition linking the start-up of the LHC with terrible disasters. The best known is that the £3 billion particle accelerator might trigger a black hole capable of swallowing the Earth when it gets going. Scientists enjoy laughing at this one.
This time, however, their ridicule has been rather muted — because the time travel idea has come from two distinguished physicists who have backed it with rigorous mathematics.
What Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, are suggesting is that the Higgs boson, the particle that physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be “abhorrent to nature”.
What does that mean? According to Nielsen, it means that the creation of the boson at some point in the future would then ripple backwards through time to put a stop to whatever it was that had created it in the first place.
This, says Nielsen, could explain why the LHC has been hit by mishaps ranging from an explosion during construction to a second big bang that followed its start-up. Whether the recent arrest of a leading physicist for alleged links with Al-Qaeda also counts is uncertain.
Nielsen’s idea has been likened to that of a man travelling back through time and killing his own grandfather. “Our theory suggests that any machine trying to make the Higgs shall have bad luck,” he said.
“It is based on mathematics, but you could explain it by saying that God rather hates Higgs particles and attempts to avoid them.”
His warnings come at a sensitive time for Cern, which is about to make its second attempt to fire up the LHC. The idea is to accelerate protons to almost the speed of light around the machine’s 17-mile underground circular racetrack and then smash them together.
In theory the machine will create tiny replicas of the primordial “big bang” fireball thought to have marked the creation of the universe. But if Nielsen and Ninomiya are right, this latest build-up will inevitably get nowhere, as will those that come after — until eventually Cern abandons the idea altogether.
This is, of course, far from being the first science scare linked to the LHC. Over the years it has been the target of protests, wild speculation and court injunctions.
Fiction writers have naturally seized on the subject. In Angels and Demons, Dan Brown sets out a diabolical plot in which the Vatican City is threatened with annihilation from a b based on antimatter stolen from Cern.
Blasphemy, a novel from Douglas Preston, the bestselling science-fiction author, draws on similar themes, with a story about a mad physicist who wants to use a particle accelerator to communicate with God. The physicist may be American and the machine located in America, rather than Switzerland, but the links are clear.
Even Five, the TV channel, has got in on the act by screening FlashForward, an American series based on Robert Sawyer’s novel of the same name in which the start-up of the LHC causes the Earth’s population to black out for two minutes when they experience visions of their personal futures 21 years hence. This gives them a chance to change that future.
Scientists normally hate to see their ideas perverted and twisted by the ignorant, but in recent years many physicists have learnt to welcome the way the LHC has become a part of popular culture. Cern even encourages film-makers to use the machine as a backdrop for their productions, often without charging them.
Nielsen presents them with a dilemma. Should they treat his suggestions as fact or fiction? Most would like to dismiss him, but his status means they have to offer some kind of science-based rebuttal.
James Gillies, a trained physicist who heads Cern’s communications department, said Nielsen’s idea was an interesting theory “but we know it doesn’t happen in reality”.
He explained that if Nielsen’s predictions were correct then whatever was stopping the LHC would also be stopping high-energy rays hitting the atmosphere. Since scientists can directly detect many such rays, “Nielsen must be wrong”, said Gillies.
He and others also believe that although such ideas have an element of fun, they risk distracting attention from the far more amazing ideas that the LHC will tackle once it gets going.
The Higgs boson, for example, is thought to give all other matter its mass, without which gravity could not work. If the LHC found the Higgs, it would open the door to solving all kinds of other mysteries about the origins and nature of matter. Another line of research aims to detect dark matter, which is thought to comprise about a quarter of the universe’s mass, but made out of a kind of particle that has so far proven impossible to detect.
However, perhaps the weirdest of all Cern’s aspirations for the LHC is to investigate extra dimensions of space. This idea, known as string theory, suggests there are many more dimensions to space than the four we can perceive.
At present these other dimensions are hidden, but smashing protons together in the LHC could produce gravitational anomalies, effectively tiny black holes, that would reveal their existence.
Some physicists suggest that when billions of pounds have been spent on the kit to probe such ideas, there is little need to invent new ones about time travel and self-sabotage.
History shows, however, it is unwise to dismiss too quickly ideas that are initially seen as science fiction. Peter Smith, a science historian and author of Doomsday Men, which looks at the links between science and popular culture, points out that what started as science fiction has often become the inspiration for big discoveries.
“Even the original idea of the ‘atomic b’ actually came not from scientists but from H G Wells in his 1914 novel The World Set Free,” he said.
“A scientist named Leo Szilard read it in 1932 and it gave him the inspiration to work out how to start the nuclear chain reaction needed to build a b. So the atom b has some of its origins in literature, as well as research.”
Some of Cern’s leading researchers also take Nielsen at least a little seriously. Brian Cox, professor of particle physics at Manchester University, said: “His ideas are theoretically valid. What he is doing is playing around at the edge of our knowledge, which is a good thing.
“He is pointing out that we don’t yet have a quantum theory of gravity, so we haven’t yet proved rigorously that sending information into the past isn’t possible.
“However, if time travellers do break into the LHC control room and pull the plug out of the wall, then I’ll refer you to my article supporting Nielsen’s theory that I wrote in 2025.”
This weekend, as the interest in his theories continued to grow, Nielsen was sounding more cautious. “We are seriously proposing the idea, but it is an ambitious theory, that’s all,” he said. “We already know it is not very likely to be true. If the LHC actually succeeds in discovering the Higgs boson, I guess we will have to think again.”

[jonsi]

Thank you SS for this article.

I'm going to have to read it a few more times to make sense in my reply. There's a lot involved. Do you think we are getting information from extraterrestrials?

My dad was a chemical engineer at Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory (now LANL) back in the 60's and he worked on the casings/fuses for atomic bs... I do believe that man developed the Atomic b.

More now than ever, PEACE!

~jonsi

[Sadsack]

Jonsi -

One theory of what ET's are is that they are actually humans from the future who have time-travelled back to the present.

If this is possible -

"we haven’t yet proved rigorously that sending information into the past isn’t possible." (from the article) -

then it could explain the one thing missing from the nanotechnology theory of Morgellons, i.e., that the complexity of what is involved with Morgellons seems to be far advanced of what is the current state of the science of nanotechnology.

Everything theoretically fits in terms of nanotechnology being capable of everything we see with Morgellons, but the question is "Who has such advanced scientific knowledge of nanotechnology, and how did they get it?" remains unanswered.

There are three possibilities, it seems.

The first is that there is one or more individuals who have made quantum leaps in this techonology around the time of that historic speech "There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom", made in 1959 by physicist Richard Feynman:
There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The second and third are closely related. It could be from information from the future. Or from ET's, which may be one and the same.

I came across this article the other day, which is probably hogwash, but I'll give you the link anyway. It claims that Obama will be releasing previously classified information about ET's within the next 3 or 4 months: Official disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent

It feels to me that we will know a lot more about many things by the end of the March.

If nothing of significance materializes by then, and I am still alive, I am going into denial mode. I've reached the end of where my knowledge, skills, and imagination can bring me with respect to Morgellons (and related issues). I've read what everyone has to say, and nothing has completely explained all of it.

I want to see what happens with H1N1, with the economy, with the Middle East, with ET's. And most of all with Morgellons knowledge. I can't take much more of this kind of existence, this thinking, reading, exploring, writing to scientists, waiting for the next shoe to drop.

SS

[jonsi]

Hi SS,

Don't let the shoe drop. I know how "Morgellons" affects us. I am so thankful for my treatment and understanding of homeopathic and organic food.

I don't count on anything Obama says... (NWO, he endorsed Monsanto). Nanotechnology, manipulation of food, etc. Taxes, fear, religion, fear, politics/government, fear,

Don't be afraid. Surround yourself with the truth/belief that we are going to get through this. Don't give our power away.

I just erased a long segment on ET's. I sounded crazy! It's so hard to prove and still, I believe that ETs are affecting us. I believe in light workers from other galaxies are helping us too.

I also believe that positive energy and belief in good will prevail.

In the white light,
~jonsi

[Katinka]

Originally Posted by jonsi

I also believe that positive energy and belief in good will prevail.

In the white light,
~jonsi

Thanks Jonsi. Your optimism is what we need here!

Kat

[Baraka Obam]

It does not take the future to make the world strange, the world was strange the first time a omeba developed in the waters of earth. What came first the chicken or the egg, think now really think on that one. I beleive a better way of deciding our fate would be to read our horoscopes, or read Nostradomis books to fathom our future fate. In all reality who would want to come back to this time at all, why not go back to a better time.

Beam me up Scotty!!


Today 7 billion people that carry ever advancing disease's urinated and defacated into our drinking water and enviroment, tomorrow they will go the same, that is untill the end of mankinds time.

If man is to survive he will have to change, you cannot fix what you don't know exists, keeping up with nature is impossible.

What you suggest here is a far cry from man killing himself thru stupidity, underestimating nature's ability.

[Baraka Obam]

The future is more likely this

YouTube - THE FLY

Now how can flies be so smart, LOL!!!

Them dam Genius scientists wasting their time on travel to the future should be thinking about .................................................. ..............

The FLY,ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!

That is mad scientist laugh!!

[Sadsack]

The Butterfly Effect is on now....

IMDb Video: The Butterfly Effect


The purpose of time travel as explained in that article by the two physicists, is to prevent the occurrence of something that may have disastrous consequences (formation of the boson particle and black holes).

I suppose time travel could also be for joy riding, as in "Back to the Future" (etc).

Although time travel technology (if it is possible, which many scientists believe it is), may not currently exist now, it may in the future. And it is FROM the future that something occurring today may have originated.

SS

[Baraka Obam]

I want to be BUTTERFLY!!!!! Come on now sadsac, laugh, you met me would I make a good butterfly or what. LOL!!!!

[Sadsack]

You would make a lovely Monarch!

I just laughed my tush off:

Sorry - I know this has nothing to do with anything, but for anyone who loves cats you're gonna have to appreciate this.

SS