Arctic Ice Melts continues

[faithinacure]

There's so many stories like this one these days.

The Associated Press: Vast expanses of Arctic ice melt in summer heat

[Katinka]

Hi Faith, good to see ya!

Yes..this is very alarming..have you seen the posts about the filamentous algae and the ancient bacteria that was found?

Nobody knows which effects this actually will have in the near future..

Kat

[tcmgpt13]

Global Warming Science in Perspective.

"Global Warming not caused by carbon dioxide. Nature puts 97% of the CO2 into the air through decay and respiration.

The Science of Global Warming
in Perspective

Journalists give you opinions of scientists; this web site gives you the science. You need to understand the science, because too many opinions are false or fraudulent. Authority is nothing but a ticket to lie. Honest persons explain instead of dictate.

Climate is controlled by the oceans, not the atmosphere.

The oceans have 1,000 times more heat capacity than the atmosphere. It means oceans can heat the air far more than air can heat the oceans. Hansen and the modelers forgot to take into account oceans, which control about 98% of the climate.

Oceans determine humidity.
Water vapor swamps carbon dioxide.
Greenhouse gasses do almost nothing.

Summary in Simple Words

News Flash: Twenty Year Cool-Down
Mainstream media ignores it.
Japanese government advisory panel says humans are not the cause.
Mainstream media ignores it."

Always keep in mind, Henny Penny is just a fairy tale. To get all the links, which discuss this in depth please access the website given above as recopying this page has unfortunately wiped out all the easy links.

[tcmgpt13]

To continue from previous post:

The Next Ice Age May have been Triggered in 2008

It is not clear why Arctic air got so cold in 2008 and 2009, but it is unprecedented, as it sweeps down over northern USA and breaks all records for cold throughout the summer of 2009.

The next ice age is scheduled to begin at any time. Ice ages have been occurring every 100,000 years at an extremely precise frequency.
Ice ages are caused by ocean heat, not by some mysterious cooling effect. Ocean heat increases precipitation, which increases snowfall, which reflects away solar energy. The excessive ocean heat may simply be an accumulation of solar energy, or it may be heat from within the earth which constantly flows outward.

The Pacific Ocean has accumulated a large amount of heat which has been released in various ways over the past 30 years—some as evaporation resulting in increased humidity and precipitation, and some as melting Arctic ice. Ocean heat accumulates over centuries; it doesn't track with sun spots.

A massive cool-down occurred in 2008 and continued through 2009. Snow has closed roads in California in June of 2009, and of course in Montana, Wyoming and North Dakota.

Climatology is 98% about oceans, not atmosphere, contrary to the fakes who have been controlling science and the media. One major reason is that oceans have a thousand times as much heat capacity as the atmosphere. That's 100,000% as much heat at the same temperature.

Another reason why climatology is about oceans is because oceans are heat regulators. Water absorbs and releases massive amounts of heat while changing state from water to vapor or from ice to water. When conditions are hot, oceans provide cooling. When conditions are cold, oceans provide warming.

But global warming is not about temperature, it's about precipitation. When oceans heat up, they cause more water to evaporate from them and into the air, which gets carried around the globe and precipitates everywhere. Snow has been accumulating over 90% of Antarctica due to the increase in precipitation, which has totally stopped the rise in ocean levels. This is not good news. The oceans have been rising for the past 10,000 years since the last ice age. The end of that era means hard times for humans.

During the recent "global warming," between 1978 and 1998, precipitation increased so much that the dry cow-country of the US Northern Plains became part of the corn belt. Farmers were raising corn and soybeans where cows used to graze on sparse grass. This was a boon for agriculture. But it ended in 1998, contrary to the fakes who claim that every recent event (including the plane crash in the Atlantic) is due to "climate change" which humans caused by putting carbon dioxide into the air.

Satellite measurements show that the slight temperature increases near the surface of the earth ended in 1998 and dropped precipitously in 2008. But it never was about temperature, except for Alaska and various northern tundra, where warm Pacific ocean water was adding heat to a normally cold landscape.

At about the time the detectable global warming ended, Arctic ice started to melt unexpected fast. Just a few years ago, the fakes were saying Arctic ice could be gone by 2050 or sooner. Then it almost totally disappeared over the next five years. They couldn't explain how carbon dioxide could do that much heating that fast, so they skipped over the point and continued with their CO2 doom.

No one who should be called a scientist could assume that a warmer atmosphere melts Arctic ice the way it has been occurring. Nothing but warm ocean water can melt Arctic ice significantly. First, 90% of the ice is submerged. (There is no land under the Arctic ice; it's all ice floating on water.) Then massive amounts of heat are required to change the state of water from ice to liquid. And then, the heat must flow upward; it cannot flow downward, which means Arctic ice does not melt from the top down, it melts from underneath. The physics of this is so simple, overwhelming and obvious that real scientists don't get it wrong.

The obvious and unquestionable cause of Arctic ice melting in recent years was warm, Pacific, ocean water flowing over the Bering Strait and into the Arctic. It warmed up Alaska along the way and caused a lot of tundra to melt. It kept the northern US warm during the winters by reducing the amount of cold air that descends from the Arctic. After the warm, Pacific, ocean water melts Arctic ice, it apparently flows into the Atlantic Ocean and sinks due to its colder temperature.

During the sixties, scientists were worried that the increasing ocean level could cause Pacific ocean water to flow over the Bering Strait melting Arctic ice and triggering the next ice age. I'm not sure what the mechanism was supposed to be for causing an ice age; but 35 years later, warm Pacific ocean water flowed over the Bering Strait, caused Arctic ice to melt and triggered a massive cool-down of the northern one third of the globe. Did it trigger the next ice age? It's a more realistic question to study than whether CO2 is creating global warming.

The first, and perhaps most important, point of science to consider is the so-called second law of thermodynamics. It says heat tends to dissipate, and there is nothing in the universe that can cause it to do otherwise. This means, you lose heat while ice is melting, and you lose heat while ice is reforming. You don't get back the heat that is lost.

This law appears to be the reason why there was a massive heat loss over the northern part of the globe recently. Heat was lost while Arctic ice was melting, and heat was lost while the ice formed again. Apparently, the heat just dissipated into space.

One of the most impossible questions to answer in science is why do the oceans do what they do. Why did the Arctic ice stop melting, and what is the Pacific Ocean doing now? Only the most indirect evidence provides any clues. It may have been that a change in ocean currents stopped the process of Arctic ice melting and triggered the cool-down.

Everything about oceans changes in a rhythmic or cyclic manner. After an El Nino puts warm water on the surface of the Pacific Ocean, an El Nina puts cold water on the surface. No one knows why.

The oceans are in rivers of motion and mountains of layers. This means there is so much heterogeneity and change in the oceans that humans don't have a clue as to what oceans are doing; and most of it they won't be able to predict for centuries. It wasn't until recently that a serious attempt was made by placing 3,000 diving buoys in the oceans to make measurements at various depths. The first results appeared in 2003. Generally, they showed oceans heating, but this is a somewhat rash conclusion in the mysteries of oceanography. Nature is the only real indication of what oceans are doing. When ocean surfaces warm, evaporation increases and slight warming is noticeable on some nearby land surfaces.

How significant the massive heat loss over the Arctic will be is something only nature knows and humans have no ability to predict.

Addendum: The impression created by these events is that the oceans have been accumulating heat over the past 10,000 years since the last ice age and have been releasing more of it lately. Solar energy could accumulate in the oceans over a long period of time. How heat is released by the oceans is extremely erratic and unpredictable due to varying ocean currents and layering.

[tcmgpt13]

And to continue on yet another post:

http://nov55.com/iceage.ht

Update
May and June, 2009
Duck Weather in Northern USA
The north and west of USA get air from the Pacific Ocean, before it collides with Gulf air at about Sioux City, Iowa. The Pacific air has produced duck weather over the entire northern USA during May and June of 2009. It has not produced a lot of rain but a lot of fog, drizzle and overcast.

This means the surface of the Pacific Ocean is still warm. So here's the cycle of events which occurred: A high temperature spike in 1998 apparently melted Arctic ice which was blocking the Bering Strait and allowed Pacific ocean water to flow into the Arctic and melt a lot of Arctic ice. For ten years, Pacific ocean water flowed into the Arctic area and melted ice. A lot of heat loss resulted and cooled the Arctic area resulting in ice blocking the Bering Strait again in 2008. Now, Pacific ocean water is no longer flowing into the Arctic area. This is allowing the surface of the Pacific Ocean to accumulate heat again.

These cycles could go on for centuries before the next ice age begins. But on the other hand, the next ice age may have been triggered in 2008. A major fact that needs to be corrected about ice ages is that it is not cold temperatures that cause ice ages; it is warm ocean water that causes them. The oceans "boil away" (figuratively speaking) during an ice age dropping 400 feet and depositing the water as snow over land. The land gets cold due to snow reflecting way solar energy. Fakes in science keep saying that something cools the planet to create an ice age. Not so. Something heats the oceans to create an ice age. It could simply be solar energy that accumulates in the oceans that is the cause; but it is heat in the oceans, not some mysterious cooling force, that cause ice ages to begin and proceed.

It appears at this time that the Pacific Ocean is back to where it was during the eighties and nineties—accumulating heat which shows up on the surface of the ocean and releases water vapor causing more precipitation over the northern USA and to some extent everywhere else also.

Here's some data on this:

Recent Pacific Ocean Data
by Joe D'Aleo.
Increasing Evidence for Caus
e of Ice Ages
Gary Novak, July 23, 2009

It's beginning to appear that the cause of ice ages is heat accumulating in the oceans. The heat keeps increasing for 10,000 years or more between ice ages. Solar energy would probably stabilize much sooner and stay near the surface, because warm water does not sink easily (Heat always rises.) So the heat apparently comes from within the earth, just as geothermal energy does. Coming from within the earth, it heats the oceans from the bottom up, which means the entire oceans accumulate heat.

Then there appears to be an interaction with Arctic ice. Artic ice constantly melts and refreezes. It was melted a thousand years ago, when the Vikings lived on Greenland. Melting and thawing creates a massive heat loss over the Arctic. This occurred over the past five or ten years. Now the Arctic is extremely cold resulting in record cold everywhere in North America which is affected by Artic air.

When the oceans get hot enough to keep putting much water vapor into the air, while Arctic cold causes it to form snow, the accumulation of snow reflects away solar energy triggering the next ice age. Whether this latest cool-down of the Arctic triggered the next ice age or is just another cycle leading up to it is yet to be determined.

Update
August 7, 2009
Summer came and went with no warm-up in northern USA. A clearer picture is emerging, and it's scary. The absence of warming appears to result from sunlight reflecting off clouds. Such cooling normally happens on cloudy, drizzling days. But they are supposed to be few. In between the cloudy days, little solar heating has been occurring. Why?

There appears to be a thin layer of cirrus clouds reflecting away sunlight between the heavy-overcast days. Almost never is the sky clear enough to get all of the sunshine through. So why won't the skies clear?

It is said that there is a volcano in eastern Siberia putting sulfur dioxide into the air. It is known that sulfur dioxide causes precipitation and cool-down of the atmosphere. But would a trivial volcano create such a massive cool-down for two years in a row? The consequence is unprecedented in recent history. The Mt. Pinatubo volcano was large, and it created a small amount of cool-down, which only the scientists noticed.

If the result is sulfur dioxide from a volcano, then recovery will probably occur in the near future. If not, then this is the real thing—the beginning of the next ice age. It means an ice age is not just triggered from snow accumulating and reflecting away sunshine; it is triggered from relentless overcast which does not let sunshine through.

There is now an officially designated El Nino in the Pacific Ocean which can account for the overcast. But El Ninos have been quite regular in recent years, and they have not produce this much cold before. This time, the El Nino is combined with a massive cool-down of Arctic air.

This anomaly might clear up in a year or two and renormalize. But even if it does, it is an unprecedented event. Being unprecedented, it might not clear up. It is doing exactly what will occur when the next ice age begins—boiling water out of the oceans which reflects away sunlight through snow or cloud cover causing a massive cool-down.

[Kritters]

HEY! THIS IS JUST DUCKY NEWS. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN HEAR ABOUT NOW, LIKE MAYBE AN UNCONTROLLABLE FIRE THAT'S GOING TO RIP THROUGH THE EARTH, OR.....HEY HOW ABOUT ANOTHER TSUNAMI...ONLY ONE THAT REACHES EVERY SHORELINE????

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH GOOD NEWS I CAN TAKE ANYMORE.

;-(

[carla]

These stories are done to scare people into thinking Global warming is a real threat and that man has caused it.
So they can justify Carbon Tax etc.

It is just the natural sun cycles and nothing we could do will change them.
No matter how much money the government collect in taxes.

[tcmgpt13]

You're too right about all the scare stories about global warming Carla which is why I posted this story here (sorry it is so long). It debunks the whole global warming myth but good. So far, the "energy" rip off bill has not been passed as final legislation in the US and I hope we the people can keep it that way. It is so important to be well informed on all the issues and let legislators know that what is being proposed is unacceptable on many issues and many levels.

[Sadsack]

I wonder how they managed to carve out chunks of ice floes and put them near New Zealand - all for the sake of "fooling us" into thinking that climate change is real?

AFP/HO/Getty Images/File – File photo shows an iceberg pictured off the New Zealand Coast. More than 100, and possibly hundreds, …
Mon Nov 23, 2:09 am ET
SYDNEY (AFP) – More than 100, and possibly hundreds, of Antarctic icebergs are floating towards New Zealand in a rare event which has prompted a shipping warning, officials said on Monday.
An Australian Antarctic Division glaciologist said the ice chunks, spotted by satellite photography, had passed the Auckland Islands and were heading towards the main South Island, about 450 kilometres (280 miles) northeast.
Scientist Neal Young said more than 100 icebergs -- some measuring more than 200 metres (650 feet) across -- were seen in just one cluster, indicating there could be hundreds more.
He said they were the remains of a massive ice floe which split from the Antarctic as sea and air temperatures rise due to global warming.
"All of these have come from a larger one that was probably 30 square kilometres (11.6 square miles) in size when it left Antarctica," Young told AFP.
"It's done a long circuit around Antarctica and now the bigger parts of it are breaking up and producing smaller ones."
He said large numbers of icebergs had not floated this close to New Zealand since 2006, when a number came within 25 kilometres of the coastline -- the first such sighting since 1931.
"They're following the same tracks now up towards New Zealand. Whether they make it up to the South Island or not is difficult to tell," Young said.
New Zealand has already issued coastal navigation warnings for the area in the Southern Ocean where the icebergs have been seen.
"It's really just a general warning for shipping in that area to be on the alert for icebergs," said Maritime New Zealand spokesman Ross Henderson.
The icebergs are smaller remnants of the giant chunks seen off Australia's Macquarie Island this month, including one estimated at two kilometres (1.2 miles) and another twice the size of Beijing's "Bird's Nest" Olympic Stadium.
Young earlier told AFP he expected to see more icebergs in the area if the Earth's temperature continues to increase.
"If the current trends in global warming were to continue I would anticipate seeing more icebergs and the large ice shelves breaking up," he said.
When icebergs last neared New Zealand in 2006, a sheep was helicoptered out to be shorn on one of the floes in a publicity stunt by the country's wool industry.

Over 100 icebergs drifting to N.Zealand: official - Yahoo! News

SS

PS - Just because people hate Liberals, doesn't mean they have to deny the science of carbon emissions causing a greenhouse effect.

[tcmgpt13]

Massive Iceberg Heralds Antarctic Cooling

Massive Iceberg Heralds Antarctic Cooling Written by Rebecca Terrell
Saturday, 14 November 2009 09:30

Scientists are shocked by a massive iceberg floating into waters near the Australian Island of Macquarie. New Zealand's Otago Daily Times reports that satellites have located the iceberg more than 12 miles north of Macquarie and headed toward currents that could draw it closer to New Zealand or out into the Pacific Ocean. The giant floating slab of ice, first sighted last week south of the sub-antarctic island, measures 2,300 feet long and 1,148 feet deep, as reported by Sky News.

Scientists fear that it will pose a serious hazard to ships as it breaks up and melts on its northward journey. The Sky News article quotes Neal Young, glaciologist with the Australian Antarctic Division (AAD) of the Australian Department of the Environment, remarking on how unusual it is to see an iceberg so far north. "If the current trends in global warming were to continue I would anticipate seeing more icebergs and the large ice shelves breaking up," Young said.

However, research published in January by the Science & Public Policy Institute says differently. According to Christopher Monckton, author of Warming Freezes the Southern Ocean: Another Mann-made Climate Change, temperatures in Antarctica have been cooling over the last half century. Moreover, "the extent of the sea ice surrounding the Antarctic continent has been growing slightly in recent decades, reaching a record extent late in 2007," says Monckton, quoting research from the University of Illinois. He also cites a number of scientists who refute data recently published in the journal Nature that claims Antarctica is warming. This data is not based on actual observation but on estimates from climate models concocted by Michael E. Mann, professor with the Earth System Science Center at Penn State University.

One of the scientists quoted by Monckton was NASA researcher Ross Hays, who said that in Antarctica, "the summer seasons have been getting colder.... December 2006 was the coldest December ever." Hays pointed out that research presented to the American Meteorological Society last year noted more than 70 percent of Antarctica was cooling. "With statistics you can make numbers go to almost any conclusion you want," Hays lamented. "It saddens me to see members of the scientific community do this for media coverage."

In the ADD press release, Neal Young also said this newest headlining iceberg "is likely to be part of one of the big ones that calved from the Ross Ice Shelf nearly a decade ago." Hays said that in his own experience as a forecaster in Antarctica he has witnessed a reversal in the annual receding of the Ross Ice Shelf observed in the late 1980s. He maintains that vehicles can now safely drive on the ice, though helicopters had to be used to transport personnel and equipment 20 years ago."

Carbon emissions made by mankind are minuscule in comparison to that which nature emits. This is not a liberal vs conservative issue, but the liberal view could have a lot to do with curtailing the ability to afford to live especially if Cap and Trade (as pushed by the current liberal government) is passed in the US. Current estimates are that is will raise energy bills by at least 50% or even more. Obama even admitted energy bills will rise astronomically if this bill passes. Maybe you can afford higher energy bills, but I think most of us cannot. Do you know that many in Europe cannot afford to heat their homes because their "enlightened governments" have saddled them with sort of crippling legislation. Meanwhile the jury is still out about global warming or cooling. Oh, and btw it is summer in the Southern hemisphere and according to many scientists the ice shelf has increased, not decreased, and is more likely to have broken off to form icebergs. This will over time over cool the waters and possibly be the start of a new ice age. I guess we will have to wait and see.