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[Keavy]

Hi people, it's me again.

Thanks to the people that emailed me the information I had asked about previously.

To recap, I sell homeopathic remedies, mostly clay and minerals.
I don't have Morgellon's nor do I know anyone that does.

I have read a lot on a few forums, but I have only posted here. I have learned a lot from this site, and the people here, a few in particular have done amazing research, and come up with some interesting and viable theories.
I have available some high quality bentonite clay with low iron and aluminum and a very good cation rating.
I read somewhere that diatomaceous earth, coupled with the drawing power of the clay could be effective.
I also have some neem oil on order, and I have a high quality ionic silver solution.

What I would like to do is make a few test batches of different mixtures of the above.
I would make them available for the members here to try. I will absorb all costs of the materials, if anyone is interested they can pay just the 5.25 shipping. Small Flat rate box.

I would also be very interested to hear your opinions on these materials.

Look guys, I do try to make money selling homepathic stuff, and yes ultimately I will market to morgellon's victims if I can come up with something
that will help, but I don't sell snake oil, and I won't ever get rich on it. I just try to fill a need where I see it and make an honest living on the side.

Leave a message here if you would be interested, or message me or email me from my profile. I can only do a few of these, lets say the first 5 people.

Thanks for your time, and as I said, I am most interested in any suggestions.

[Sadsack]

Keavy -

Would your bentonite clay be combined with food grad DE? That is pretty much what I think you are saying.

Sebring is about 85 miles from Tampa. Do you have any interest in coming to our support group a week from tomorrow (Sunday 9/27 at 2 pm)? It would be an opportunity for you to learn first hand. Dr. Reed attends these meetings (it is in the lobby of her office).

I would give you gas money, and would be willing to try your compound. There may be others there who may also like to try it. The gas money would be in lieu of shipping charges.

SS

[tcmgpt13]

Here's a clay (pascalite clay) I found helpful for drawing out impurities from skin:

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I first learned about this clay from David E. William's Alternatives Newsletter.

This clay helped to dry out the interior of my lesions over time by drawing out what appeared to be eggs (or encased egg shaped larvae) and also made it easier to tease out the tightly attached adult (I think) parasites from along the edges of the lesion. I found the goo (not always yellow, but sometimes faintly green) came from the center of the lesions and seemed to feed the young. Perhaps the adult stages came from the young which spread out to the edges and became a different stage (of this I am not sure). I used Sunspot ES to dig out eggs or larvae found all in the lesion). This salve would also make adult stage let go (whatever I have seen in the adult stage definitely had hooks you could see--when this let go it would bleed profusely where the hook had been embedded). Then I would clean everything with diluted ecovie when I could get no more to come out at that time.

Afterwards I used the pascalite clay dry over the lesion and surrounding skin (the surrounding skin would redden and peel as well as swell) and then top the dry clay with microfiber tape. The lesion would sometimes enlarge when it first started before finally diminishing. Over time (often a few months+ depending on size of the lesion) this would get smaller and smaller and finally heal. I used both q-tips and toothpicks which helped to remove what was in the center and around the edges (the edges needed special attention as eggs or larvae would hide under the what I believe could be adults).

I sometimes used black salve alone to treat the lesion (this is a more potent herbal cancer salve than Sunspot ES and this one can scar while the Sunspot ES does not). I found that drawing out the parasites from the lesions meant they did not return to the area. I think this is because the goo is also drawn out in this way and these parasites feed on whatever the goo is. Of course, my lesions and parasites may have been different than other people's parasites and lesions, but this is what usually worked for me. I could see my parasites as they were visible without a microscope. It also became much easier when my doctor prescribed ivermectin and also started treating the underlying infection which in my case was re-activated herpes infections. I also continued to use herbs (and still do).

[Keavy]

To respond to both replies above.
Yes Basically what I am thinking is DE and Bentonite together as a poultice.
I have had decent results with impetigo, ringworm, and other parasitic worms with this method. I generally hydrate the bentonite with ionic silver. The reason for this is to disinfect any dead stuff left under the skin, and any toxic secretions that may be emitted as the parasite dies. The silver ions will transfer from the clay into the pores in spite of the fact that the bentonite has a negative charge, while the silver has a positive charge.
From what I gather, fibers seem to be soft bodied, and my concern is the DE will kill them before they are drawn completely out. The bentonite will continue to draw the toxins, but the silver is a precaution.The neem oil is an idea I got from here and I don't know a lot about it. (yet)

One of the clays I have (and the one I'm speaking of using) is comparable to pascalite. It's very light colored, and comes from the western desert. Pascalite is a trademarked name, so I digress from using it to describe my products. It's a calcium based clay with a very high cation rating, and has about 750 sq meters per gram of surface area.

I also have some french montmorillonite clay, that has even greater drawing power, but it's very pricy, and not so much better to make the cost justifiable.

I know a hell of a lot about clay and mineral therapy, and I know I have helped to heal a few conditions that were chronic and unable to be arrested by antibiotics. Sometimes internal fixes can not reach a tissue issue because of cystic capsules that surround the invader. Sometimes it takes an external delivery to alleviate the problem.

I make my own silver colloid using a High Voltage AC method in which one electrode is suspended above the water. This isn't low voltage, large particle mostly ionic silver. This is a good quality silver colloid with small particles and 0% risk of argyria.

Sadsack, I would really welcome the opportunity to come and sit in on a support group. I can make it next week no problem.

Thanks so much for the opportunity, and thanks for hearing me out. I know a lot of people come on with the BS posts about cures and all.
Like I said, I'm not 100% altruistic, but I'm also not the kind of guy who takes advantage of other people's misfortunes.

[Keavy]

I got my Neem Oil today. I have to say it isn't as aromatic as I had thought it would be.

Ok since I'm not being peppered with advice, I guess I'll ask a couple questions here.

I understand that there are different parts to this disease, for this particular
discussion, I'm targeting stuff under the skin.

1. Is the general consensus that this is strictly biological, or do most people feel it's engineered somehow. The fact it reacts to ethanol, H2O2 and other organic products has me leaning toward a naturally occurring biological agent.

2. Are the worms on the U-Tube video of the Filipino guy an accurate representation on what any of you have seen? I have seen other videos of fibers and none are quite so dramatic, active, or large.

3. The black goo that has been described.... does it have an odor? Is it gelatinous or fibrous?

4. What is your opinion of the size of the largest organism under the skin.

Any other info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I realize That the answers are probably on the forum, but it is huge, and I'm not an internet whiz yet.

What I'm thinking about here, for the skin parasites and lesions, is to use some clay with 750 sq meters of surface area per teaspoon of clay. I'll use 2 types, one is a Primary Sodium Bentonite (swelling type). It is clean, pure, and has a really strong magnetic field when hydrated. It is one of the strongest drawing clays in the world. I'll also use a Primary Calcium Bentonite that doesn't swell, it also has a strong attraction and drawing abilities. I'd use just the green clay (sodium type) but it gets a little slimy and it's hard to spread thickly.

I'm thinking of adding some Diatomaceos Earth, and Neem oil.
What I'm trying for is that the Neem oil will "unlatch" some of the things, and the bentonite will draw them as it dries, bringing them into contact with the D.E. The D.E should begin to kill anything with segments, and the neem oil should help some.
I am also thinking of adding some ionic silver particles, and H202.
The silver ions will kill most 1 celled pathogens, and help to disinfect the skin and pores along with the H202. Silver Ions are effective, and safe from side effects. Argyria is caused by large silver particles and salts.


Thanks for your time.
Do any of you think this could help?
Am I wasting my time?
Anyone want to give it a try?

[tcmgpt13]

As I stated in my post above I feel the clay I have has helped draw out what is probably the parasites in the lymph and blood in a lesion. There is some cancer connection IMHO, at least in what I have, since the herbal salves I use (3) all help cure the lesions over time and are used for skin cancer (2) or can be used for skin cancer (1) or other cancers too. I find the clay dries out the excess dampness which accompanies lesions and which is a requirement for the parasites to survive. I also use herbs to help the warm the spleen and help it not have an excess of dampness.

Therefore over time I have noticed that dry clay powdered over the top of the area helps to dry out the lesion. I do not mix it with water into a paste as I think it works better dry. It takes time and patience to work on a lesion, but IMHO I think it is better to draw out what is in these lesions rather than try to cover it over to "heal" (fake IMO healing) and remain with all its toxins still in the body.

The black tar like substance which I never actually saw on my skin but would find sometimes on tiled flooring has now disappeared (it seemed to spread by itself and had small black specks in it, left some down to observe). My socks no longer look gray on the bottom (drawing out dampness and parasites with the black salve I have). The fluffy fibers I found on the bottom of my feet have lessened greatly too (these seemed to be connected to the parasites, but I am at a loss to say exactly what their function could be). The parasites I got could have been fish type parasites as I became ill after eating a fish which had ciguatera (or at least that was the spectacular start of my symptoms).

So far I have only heard of one person who was on lymebusters who has seen a similar parasite. She stated that the start of her morgellons came from being in salt water. So perhaps in our case it is an aquatic parasite of some sort. I cannot answer that with certainty. What I have I can see.

Over time it has become much smaller (thank goodness as these guys were very large when they started). There is a j-hook on the end of them. They also used to have two wings which were ragged (about two inches across, sometimes larger). Now that they are smaller and at the edge of the lesion they seem to be single as far as "wing." I think the goo helps them form the wing like shape they have as "adults". Of course I am not sure of anything as far as what each stage I see is. Still the "wings" seem to take up what look like the eggs or larva egg shaped stuff from from the center of the lesions. So the wings have these brown dots (maybe the eggs or larva) which is then shaped like a "wing." The whole thing then has a j-hook which makes sense, if it is fish parasite which often have hooks.

Who knows with any certainty, as when no one looks or studies what is seen and dismisses it as viral exudate one is left to speculation alone. What I and others have seen has never been identified. The center of the lesions upon starting have a lot of "hair" like stuff, which could be the nematode which lays the "eggs"? Who knows, but this is where I see the hair like shapes come out and usually there is more than one and usually they are very long, sometimes 12 inches or more. It is all weird.

My personal opinion is that this is in the environment and is not engineered though many who have this do not agree. It could be exacerbated by all the crap they are feeding animals and fish these days as well as human beings. Food is definitely not the same in the world with all the GM modifications which have been made. Fish, too, often are exposed to feeds which might have all kinds of unknown effects on those who later eat them. A tangled web woven by those who play with our foods?

[Keavy]

I think food could play a part, I'm working my way through a chemtrail/silicon article now that's giving me a headache, but I know that many cattle ranches use feed conditioners, and such. I sell Bentonite to one of the ranches here that only grows things organically to use on their feed, but most conditioners contain chemicals and hormones.


Has anyone here tried MMS? Just curious, I'm doing some research on it, and wondered if any one has done "clinical trials"

[tcmgpt13]

There is a huge thread started by Carla which discusses extensively the use of MMS. There is also one on diatomaceous earth. Another large thread. And discussions of colloidal silver. And discussions of bentonite clay. As far as I know the only "clinical trials" are ones carried out by different members on guess who? Themselves. As you must surely be aware, since you sell some of the products, there is no money for clinical trials of natural products as there is no way to patent natural products.

There is a search feature on the main page--doing advanced searches will yield many threads which discuss these products. So you can easily find the discussions I mention yourself. As is wisely said "there is nothing new under the sun." Believe us, we have tried and tried and tried many natural products and many different allopathic medications. So far none of them have been a cure, but they have ameliorated symptoms for some.

I can say that what I have done, as far as lesion treatment, has prevented any from recurring in the surface skin areas I have treated. Much of what you are looking into has already been looked into by many on this forum and other forums which are similar to this one. There are even practitioners (allopathic and natural) who are trying some of these natural products on their patients, but so far, unfortunately, there has been no great cry of "Eureka, I have found THE answer to Morgellons." Heck, no one is even sure what the illness is or knows really how to describe it since symptoms are so diverse. Ditto with the products, not all help every person and some of them help no one at all except those selling them.

[Keavy]

A LOT only help the person selling them. Many are just common face creams and common topical ointments repackaged, and a lot have petroleum products, which seems to aggravate the problem in many people.
What I found on MMS wasn't overly extensive, like I said, I suck at this internet thing.

The clinical trials statement was a joke, hence the quotations.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond to me though.
I know everything has been tried, I'm just putting things together a bit differently.
For instance, I'm going to make some 100ppm Ionic Silver and bind the ions to sodium citrate. It isn't that hard if you have the HVAC set up.
This is effectively the same thing NutriSIlver makes for about a kazillion dollars a bottle. and the cost is no more than about 50 bucks to make 10 gallons. Maybe less, I dunno yet.
I'm also playing with some ethanol, combined with clay, a DE and bentonite internal cleanse ( yeah I know, organic pet wormer). I have been making silver colloids suspended in H2o2, ( I gave Sadsack some samples), a silver/copper surface disinfectant and antifungal spray, that really works great, and some products with neem oil. I'm also working on some 2 part applications. My biggest issue to be honest is I literally can't give the stuff away, and I have no "test subjects".
I was thinking of running an ad in the Tampa and Orlando Papers to see if anyone would be interested.

Some good news on the snakeoil front is that as of June 10 2010, all of us who make homeopathic, and self help products, supplements, ointments and such.... will be more strictly regualated and all of us must conform to good manufacturing practices and good laboratory practices as defined by the FDA.
(Yay... my favorite people). I can hang with it, as I have a separate, clean, and well set up work shop, and keep extensive records. I figure by the end of 2010, a lot of these kitchen scientists will be out of the game.

Just for the record, I haven't made a plug nickel off of any Morgs products, except for the money I got in Tampa from one man for samples, and I tried to give it back to him. I do have a few samples out, but so far no feedback on their merit.
I won't try to sell them if they offer no benefit, however if they do, I will try to sell them at a reasonable price, and won't lose sleep over it. This forum in particular has some pretty savvy members and you all share info and give support, but unfortunately not everyone has the ability to procur all these items, or the knowledge to use them to good effect. If say (hypothetically), neem oil, ethanol, DE and Bentonite hydrated with silver produce a desired result, I am sure I could supply this pre made, at a much lower cost than you could buy them all for and make yourself.

I'm also in no rush, this is far from my main source of income. I am a working musician and artist ( woohoo there's the big bucks LOL), my wife has a mundane job. and is getting her masters in accounting. And you know all those people who sell bentonite on ebay? A lot of them get it from me, I have LOTS of clay... 4 types of Bentonite, Montmorillonite, Illite, Zeolite, French Green, French Red, Moroccan, 2 Types of Kaolin, Fireclay for the home metalcasting crowds, and i have a lot of raw bulk minerals...(anyone need coral calcium? LOL I have a TON of that stuff, not literally). I also sell Dolomite, Probiotics, Detox Stuff that works, not like drug detox, but gradual chelation with clay. I also grow and sell 99.8% Aloe Juice. I have a LOT of "free range aloe" growing all over the place. I have 3 acres clear, and a little garden where we grow herbs and fresh veggies. I have some organic products, but I don't like to mix them with clay therapy unless I'm using it then,as organic material will eventually rot. I'm in the process of making an still so I can make organic ethanol. I also just bought 5 pounds of Sodium Chlorite, amd I have Citric acid and I can make enough MMS to treat about 15000 gallons of water. My cost, 23 bucks plus the container price.
My point is that even though I sell this stuff, I can still make a reasonable profit and not gouge people. I have good connections, and lots of time on my hand to look around for stuff.


I just feel there is a greater need here than there is in making a nice green clay and kelp mask for a vain socialite, or a weight loss wrap.


I'm not a tree hugger however, and I have vices and unhealthy habits like most people. I'm not a hard core all natural medicine person either, I take my kids to the doctor, and have one kid with asthma, that we treat medically.

We do all use silver, and clay pretty much daily, and we don't get sick much.
Swine flu is all over our county right now, and we don't have so much as a sniffle. I am kind of OCD, and I will spend the next couple months researching.

Well sorry for the long rambling response. I honestly do feel for you guys, I know you probaly don't wanna hear that , but I do. I could have gotten info, and been here and gone by now like the spammers, yet here I am. I can't even explain why exactly.

[Kritters]

Hi Keavy,

It's actually refreshing to read your posts for some reason. I appreciate your honesty and willingness to help. If you can come up with something, that's great and you deserve to be compensated for it. You make a living selling homeopathic treatments and there's no reason you can't help people and not still be compensated. Doctors do it.

Kritts