wanted: compassionate leaders

[morjella]

If I say that my facts are this in response to your saying your facts are that, I am dealing with the material, the content. If I comment on what I think about you for stating that your facts are that, then that is personal. If I tell you I think you are stupid, crazy, evil, or any other negative adjective, then I am attacking you personally. If I am in charge in the environment where the interchange occurs, then I am doing more than that, I am verbally abusing you.

When people receive an attack, it is only natural to fight back, not to roll over. I try not to get sucked into a dysfunctional argument, but I allowed that to happen and I apologize to those who were not attacking me. I have nothing to say to those who were, except this: leadership is absent here. There is someone who enjoys the negative exercise of power, but no leader.

Well, Doc, I take that back, because you have exhibited leadership. You have 1) apologized for the abusive behavior of another member of the group (above and beyond since you are not responsible for their behavior); 2) you have tried to heal the group; 3) you have reached out to those who were genuinely trying to help by sharing what was going on with their current treatments of choice (versus judging the choice); 4) you have suggested additional potentially helpful solutions, thus further demonstrating good will.

All of these are traits of leadership that are lacking in the words of some of the others here. This is really sad, because this is one of few web forums with the M word in the domain itself.

Tcm, you are missing an opportunity to make a real and lasting positive difference in people's lives. It is more than about the stuff. It is about the people themselves. I cannot tell you that everyone who comes in here prefers not to be treated as you have treated Posey and then me. I will tell you that I prefer not to be treated that way, and I request that you cease at once or I will do as I already promised to do and leave. I don't want to. Somebody should stand by Posey and Doc and actually do what the website says, and welcome newcomers. That could be you, tcm. It's your choice. Right now, it is not you. And that's just sad.

[tcmgpt13]

I know sales spiels when I hear them too.

And get the violins out, even though your spiel in every post is discordant.

Ducks heal the forum? LOL, obviously you have not been here for any period of time. That's funny. In fact that's hilarious.

And if you continue to talk about unproven products that are expensive I will continue to see it as expensive snake oil which has the potential, from what you have written here in the past, to cause harmful problems to someone who uses it. You are just all too willing to attack others here because they do not see a product the way you do. Or have a different view of what's really going on here.

So has this product gotten FDA approval? Has the FDA been notified about this product? Are you at last willing to tell us what the product has in it, as far as ingredients?

BTW, if I feel a new person is here for support I do welcome them. I usually wait these days to do so, since this forum has become the playground of various people who are just here to sell whatever that person has to those of us who are sick. In fact it's their only reason for joining the forum. Many new posters lately are not here for support at all. In fact many even feign illness. So sad. And outrageous to those who are sick. There's really so few of us who are sick with M left here, I am surprised sellers find enough folks to sell to these days. There must be more fertile fields than an M site.

So you think your sweet post here was not an attack on somebody? Good thing I copied it. You are not as pure and innocent as you would like to portray yourself. Keep posting though, I am sure it will continue to provide more entertainment.

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Originally Posted by morjella
2 years! I hope you are no longer posting because you are already well! If so, please say so?

And btw, I have a right to say my Lord's name just as you have a right NOT to.

Bite me. Everything else friggin' has.... [/quote]

Anyway what's the matter, MOR? You do not make enough money where you are employed? Since lucky you, you have a job. Sweet.

Originally Posted by morjella

If I say that my facts are this in response to your saying your facts are that, I am dealing with the material, the content. If I comment on what I think about you for stating that your facts are that, then that is personal. If I tell you I think you are stupid, crazy, evil, or any other negative adjective, then I am attacking you personally. If I am in charge in the environment where the interchange occurs, then I am doing more than that, I am verbally abusing you.

When people receive an attack, it is only natural to fight back, not to roll over. I try not to get sucked into a dysfunctional argument, but I allowed that to happen and I apologize to those who were not attacking me. I have nothing to say to those who were, except this: leadership is absent here. There is someone who enjoys the negative exercise of power, but no leader.

Well, Doc, I take that back, because you have exhibited leadership. You have 1) apologized for the abusive behavior of another member of the group (above and beyond since you are not responsible for their behavior); 2) you have tried to heal the group; 3) you have reached out to those who were genuinely trying to help by sharing what was going on with their current treatments of choice (versus judging the choice); 4) you have suggested additional potentially helpful solutions, thus further demonstrating good will.

All of these are traits of leadership that are lacking in the words of some of the others here. This is really sad, because this is one of few web forums with the M word in the domain itself.

Tcm, you are missing an opportunity to make a real and lasting positive difference in people's lives. It is more than about the stuff. It is about the people themselves. I cannot tell you that everyone who comes in here prefers not to be treated as you have treated Posey and then me. I will tell you that I prefer not to be treated that way, and I request that you cease at once or I will do as I already promised to do and leave. I don't want to. Somebody should stand by Posey and Doc and actually do what the website says, and welcome newcomers. That could be you, tcm. It's your choice. Right now, it is not you. And that's just sad.

[carla]

Doc could be a leader for us .

[janedoe]

ill be fearless leader...haha

[tcmgpt13]

, Jane you would not only be fearless, but feared by all these folks who seem to think we are suckers for their sales.

Good morning to you and good to see you.

It's interesting how this MOR person has erased all her earlier messages on MDR and then asked me to remove her copied posts from my posts. I think it was phrased something like Please remove all evidence of my posts. Uh, huh, yeah, sure.

[janedoe]

thanks tcm, good to be back. i threw out my back last week, doh!! thats what i get for lifting stuff a few men should be lifting, i guess.. oh well, im back...hehe

[tcmgpt13]

Sorry to hear about your back problems--it does sound as if you tried to do too much. Anyway glad you are feeling better.

Originally Posted by janedoe

thanks tcm, good to be back. i threw out my back last week, doh!! thats what i get for lifting stuff a few men should be lifting, i guess.. oh well, im back...hehe

[janedoe]

thanks, well, around here im superwoman, doncha know? its not easy having an 85 yr old thats going on 8! i swear he 'makes' situations hoping this female will fail, but ive been keeping up better than even i thought i could, it does get really old really fast this 'woman are stupid' mess, especially when im actually kinda smart... not to brag, but im pretty inventive when i need to be.gots to stay ahead of him...cant fight with him, just have to be more clever, is all

[morjella]

And what do you think, tcmdcm? That I'm not sick? or that I'm selling something? Just curious about your obsession with what I write and your determination that I am not a "real" member. You haven't deleted my membership yet, so I guess I am a real member. If I didn't have morgellons, I wouldn't be here listening to your jibes. And if I were selling something - gasp, here's a thought - I might actually tell you how you could get it. Sorry tcm. Not happening. You are on your miserable own.

[morjella]

Interesting you have aired out all of your grievances re me here and not one nasty pm. It's all about the audience, or am I reading that wrong, dcm?