The Great Debate - Your Opinions

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How do you think you contracted Morgellons? What do you think is the cause? Is Morgellons now being propagated throughout nature like a run-away train? Does man have to keep feeding it to keep it going? Is nature cross-contaminated amongst all the species? Where did man go wrong? Can we stop it? How do the things that you learn here make you feel? Does a GM modified insect mating with another one create a new GM baby? Are the trees spitting Morgellons particles on us? Will we find a cure? How do you feel about any of this?

Remember, everyone is entitled to their opinions...

[Kritters]

Kam,

with all due respect, isn't that what we've been doing?

I have another idea I've been wanting to start a thread on. I'll start it.

In no way am I attempting to undermine your thread, Kam....we'll run them simultaneously.

xoxoKritts

[pat]

I take it from this then, that after all the research and thousands of posts put on here you are no nearer to knowing the cause of it .
With all due respect the points you ask to be debated have already been debated on this site over a long period of time.Really many newbies coming here are looking for help in treatments etc.They soon realise no one knows what it is..so no one has the answer to that particular question.However before so many people left the site there were some excellent members who gave good sound advice to newbies having gathered knowledge from their own condition and the different items used as to their efficacy.LC and 2MF , & chester spring to mind.
Sorry but I don't see this debate being of very much use to people,just another overload of info with not a lot of purpose.

[tcmgpt13]

Still laughing. Pat, you are so right. Some of the information being posted lately is is just stings of loosely connected information with nothing pulling it together into any useful format. Post after post after post. It is quite boring. And I, too, miss 2many fibers and chester.

[Kritters]

I, for one, am not of the opinion that the information being presented is boring. I think that those who have put forth the time and effort to identify and (even if only they can really understand it) put it all together. Possibly in hopes that someone will be reading who also has a related thought which could add another piece of the puzzle. although I do not always follow the many posts' premises or thought processes, I value the dedication to finding out what people can in their own way. No, there is no proof of anything yet mentioned as being responsible for this disease, but it's a h*e*l*l of a lot more than we are getting from the so-called scientists that were commissioned to do the work, and people are getting very sick and/or dying.

My only suggestion is for those wonderful people who have been researching and throwing this out to us (whether or not we understand it) is to possibly preface or end the post with what it is tying into so we either see (or be reminded of) where they are
going with it.

People can just skip over the posts they don't understand or don't believe have anything to do with this disease, but I think it is very valuable information, and I personally have learned quite a bit as well as have had some thoughts of my own triggered by them.

Kritters

[Segway]

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[Katinka]

Kam and I had a huge discussion whether to open this thread or not.

Actually I wanted to open a poll about who thinks Morgellons Disease is a man made intentionally let loose pathogen created in a laboratory by some mad scientist fooling around with nature for a yet unknown reason. OR if Morgellons Disease is caused by environmental toxins such as MTBE for example, overload an antibiotics and pesticides in our water and waste water systems, global warming and acid rain which leads to economical and biological changes in nature plus the ability of pathogens to recombine, adapt and due to bio- and speciesdiversity new life forms originated .

Our research, and if you look and read closely, is ALL tied up together. Each thread is part of the huge puzzle. Thread Baculovirus, Thread Pesticides, Thread Fungi, Thread Horizontal Gene Transfer/Genetic Engineering, Thread Parasites, Thread Parastic Wasp, Thread Water, Thread Paper, Thread Silicone, Thread Fibers, Thread Fungus Gnats, Thread Organophosphates, Thread Robert Smith, Thread Agrobacterium...etc..etc..etc..

All the research we and also others have done in the past has lead us to new conclusions and theories about what could have caused Morgellons Disease.

When we look at the bioinsecticides, and we have done alot of research on that, and we see how many different insects are used to cross-contaminate eachother plus injecting them with bacteria, fungi and viruses, pheromones and plant extracts to control their population there IS a possibility that this ‘got out of hand’.

I believe the scientists, pharma companies and Monsanto and Co. which have made this type of bioinsectides in order to rid new insect species, due in the other hand of global warming, acid rain, environmental toxins, pollution, contamination not to mention travelers who bring along all sorts of foreign pathogens ARE negligent about the risks for animals, humans and the whole ecological system.

As a few posts show there has been incidents in the past with bioinsecticides causing illness and even death in human beings. This particular insecticide was pulled from the market.

If you look at the excellent microscopical pictures Kam has contributed to this site,
taking samples from other Morgies, setting up cultures, viewing and observating them over a long period of time, you will see that there is a big similarity to photos of pathogens shown at the internet such as scientific sites.

I will NOT discredit her work in any manner as I think HER work has lead me and others doing research on this subject to NEW insights according this disease! And this should be honored by all of us!

Also Jo’s work is terrific and has shown us for example that a fly is involved here. If you look at the pictures and see how this fly larvae has implicated fibers of different colors and you compare this with theories of others here AND the microscopical pictures Kam has made, and this is my conclusion, there IS a connection.

Plus if you look how these fibers have ‘infected’ the fly larvae, namely by filamentous fungi and/or filament creating bacteria used as a bio control and IF you look how this is all related to bio insecticides using viruses that have the ability to adapt and recombine creating even more virulent forms, Horizontal Gene Transfer and Gene Transfer, bio – and species diversity then there is NO doubt, and I this is my opinion, Mankind AND nature has ‘created’ this disease.

Surely, and this is another point of the subject, IMO there MUST be other factors such as pre dominant illnesses, I’m thinking here about Herpes, Diabetes, dys- and/or malfunction ot the endocrine glands, and/or genetic codes which also leads to an infection.

Eating gene modified foods, with it’s unknown risks for humans and animals, is also a factor not to mention drinking polluted water.

Water is also in my opinion a MAIN source of this disease and the microscopical pictures I and also Kam have taken, show significantly that there ARE pathogens, viruses, bacteria and fibers! In our water. Also Venetia’s great work has told us all about water/air pollutants for instance.

I am not here to discredit anyones opinion or to try to convince anyone my theory could be possibly true as I believe we are ALL right in one form or the other.

Comments being made that this research is useless, talking Jabber wacky, nonsense
and even being worthless is in my opinion MORE than impertinent!

Surely I can understand that many members are frustrated and depressed after dealing with this illness for so long which explains the forms of articulated anger and hopelessness.

I am following this site over a long period of time now and have also read theories from members in the past but I think this site has gained more information and sound conclusions lately more than ever!

According to our research we were even able to find possible treatment methods and if you look at the posts other members here have made showing their thankfullness after success then this was a big achievement and satisfies me personally tremendously.

This is all what this site is about. THIS is the reason why we are spending endless hours on research and work.

To find help and possible treatments in fighting this disease. We all know this is NOT a cure, but at least it leads and has lead to relief and to a form of symptom free half way normal life.

And this is what I and also other members here want!

Love and peace to you all,
Kat

[Segway]

Originally Posted by Katinka

Comments being made that this research is useless, talking Jabber wacky, nonsense


Kat

Guess #1. Buzzzzzzz. 2432 more to go.

[Kritters]

Originally Posted by Segway

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Originally Posted by Segway

Guess #1. Buzzzzzzz. 2432 more to go.

I don't know who you are, Segway or why you think you are so funny here, but obviously you aren't capable of putting a complete sentence together. If you have some coherent thought, come out from behind your silliness and speak up.

Kritters

[Katinka]

Originally Posted by Segway

Guess #1. Buzzzzzzz. 2432 more to go.

Segway, I SEEM to like your sense of humor, but could you please introduce yourself..It is NOT a common attitude as a member of this board to come in here and set up animations or making funny comments about other members posts without telling us who YOU are! This a form of courtesy!

Kat