The Great Debate - Your Opinions

[Segway]

Courteous? Coherent?
Checking....Ah. Yes. Still the M-D-R forum, neh?

[Katinka]

Originally Posted by Segway

Courteous? Coherent?
Checking....Ah. Yes. Still the M-D-R forum, neh?

HAPPINESS IS A CLICK AWAY!

[Kritters]

Kat,

Don't you wonder why people come to this forum if they have nothing to offer but ignorance? I would think that if people don't like a particular forum, they would stay away. But to come and enter snide comments without contributing anything of value tells me we are dealing with a perfect *******.

Carla, if you are reading, perhaps you could look into this and do your moderator thing?

Kritts

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The theme description of this thread was put in laymen's terms, yes, I could have used a long string of scientific words, asking for the higher mind's opinions... but, no... the purpose of this thread is an attempt to bring us together so that we're not building The Tower of Babel and so that we possibly understand the language of our neighbor carpenter.

Kat and I realize there's some very intelligent people out here but the wisest of wise realize that the 'end results' lie with the ones that might not have a 160 IQ. The invention of the light bulb took over 1,000 attempts to build a protype... Rome was not built in a day... discovering what is causing Morgellons...

Contrary to what anyone may be thinking - I am not writing a book out here, I am a poet and song writer. I am not compiling my information in a steady stream for you to understand what I am doing. I'm placing my research input in each category that I believe this disease touches for the next researcher to come along to use and build upon.

Unfortunately, God handed me this disease with the gift, my passion has been halted (my poems and songs) to write about subjects that I might not even be interested in. I could care less about studying half this stuff... however, here I am. I could write in a string of 15 dollar science words all day long, if wanted to - but part of the gift is that I can translate from the very technical into laymen's English.

Is this what I'm hearing, you want to hear what we think is happening, how the pieces fit together?

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What brought this thread about? Well, I'm going to tell them, Kat. Kat and I have great 'research Chemistry' when we're half way around the world from each other. lol

Here we are in the same place so that we can put our minds together, naturally, we've discussed Morgellons - we've had a couple of heated debates about Morgellons. I thought we understood the same things... well, it turns out - we don't in some areas. And, my thoughts with each debate was... 'if Kat doesn't understand what I understand... then how can I expect anyone else to understand?...'

Not to say either of us is right or wrong, this is not what this is about. We ALL have perceptions of what's happening, of what's happened to us and they are different in each case. Nobody's right and nobody's wrong...

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I have many question about Morgellons, I don't about you? When one thing is found out to be true, this should lead to more questions.

I'm wondering if by a conversation that Kat and I had... that the CDC is caught up in trying to figure out 'what happened?'... just like we are. You should have heard our conversation! Well, if they are... it's going to be a long time before we get any answers from them. Why?

Are they holding up getting us some medical attention by trying to figure out what happened first? Ha!

[pat]

1) I think segway is a former member of this site who has been upset by someone/something on it and taken a hike,but is now back to stick a pin in someone.Am I right segway?
2)Well Kammy I'm really glad you are talking 'down' in laymens terms seeing as I only have an IQ of about 25.I don't know if your friend Kat was meaning I had said the work you have done was worthless..as I certainly didn''t say that..maybe it's a language problem.
What I was saying was what on earth was the point of starting a discussion on the why's wherfore's maybe's of morgellons and rehashing things that have been gone over before.
I admit I have not read everything you have posted because it would take a good portion of my life to do that and I have enough to keep me busy without being glued to a pc 24hrs a day.
In the beginning the work looked promising but then it went into overload,it seemed every bacteria,virus etc on the earth was being mentioned and some people did get bored and didn't understand it.Many morgies,including myself no longer have the capacity for reading vast swathes of writing.You two are lucky that you don't suffer this,but then judging by your words you are on a higher level than the rest of the minions.(I have a daughter who I call the Academic Idiot..she can speak latin like a Roman but unfortunately can't make a Boil In The Bag meal.But hey we all have a purpose in life exalted or not.)
By contrast I think the work Jo has been doing for almost a YEAR has been brilliant..it's been put in easy to understand words for us mentally challenged little people and she is on the right track with what she is saying...as are others like sarothra...where there is a namatode involved.

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''yes, I could have used a long string of scientific words, asking for the higher mind's opinions... but, no... the purpose of this thread is an attempt to bring us together so that we're not building The Tower of Babel and so that we possibly understand the language of our neighbor ''
I wonder if you realise how patronising that sounds? The writing in this post is not just my words,but words of others I have spoken to both past and present on this forum,who didn't like being told where to post their threads, or having their posts 'buried' quickly and found your attitude somewhat dictatorial.
Yes you have certainly put the pics and such together in a professional way what a pity the site isn't awash with scientists of a superior intelligence to be able to help you.
To your last paragraph yes it would probably be a good idea to tell us what you think is happening,because not having the sufficient brain power we'll never get there under our own steam.

[mmarsha]

Originally Posted by Kritters

I, for one, am not of the opinion that the information being presented is boring. I think that those who have put forth the time and effort to identify and (even if only they can really understand it) put it all together. Possibly in hopes that someone will be reading who also has a related thought which could add another piece of the puzzle. although I do not always follow the many posts' premises or thought processes, I value the dedication to finding out what people can in their own way. No, there is no proof of anything yet mentioned as being responsible for this disease, but it's a h*e*l*l of a lot more than we are getting from the so-called scientists that were commissioned to do the work, and people are getting very sick and/or dying.

My only suggestion is for those wonderful people who have been researching and throwing this out to us (whether or not we understand it) is to possibly preface or end the post with what it is tying into so we either see (or be reminded of) where they are
going with it.

People can just skip over the posts they don't understand or don't believe have anything to do with this disease, but I think it is very valuable information, and I personally have learned quite a bit as well as have had some thoughts of my own triggered by them.

Kritters

I completly agree with you kritter's and speaking as one of the newbie's they were referring to. There have only been a few people on this site that have really reached out to me and have given their time and their own experienced symtoms and what worked and hasn't. Don't get me wrong here, I know that there are threads all over this site about everything you can think of and thank God for them, but i am talking about the people that you can Pm at 1:00am when you are about to commit suicide and yes they pm you back and talk you through, the people that will look at your own symtoms and begin researching them as their own because they know when [B]YOU ARE REALLY SICK you can't function. T[/b] The people who are'nt just thinking about their own illness but others and yes, one thing I have learnt during my life is if you try one time and you can't figure it out go back do it again, if you still can't figure it out, go back do it again, do it again til you find the answer A lot of times when we go back and repeat something whether it is math, science or whatever and we didn't get it first time when we go back and look at the same problem again a second time or third and sometimes four we find the solution , the thing that was there all along BUT WE MISSED IT!!! That is what Kammy is trying to do here. How can anyone say anything to anyone that is WORKING day and night to find the answer that has been missed and speaking purely from my own personal experience, I am so much more better due to their tiresome research. I applaud them with gratitude. Don't let negative people stop you girls! You keep keeping on!!! It is people like kat and kam that give me hope and other newbie's like me.mmarsha

[violet]

Originally Posted by pat

1) I think segway is a former member of this site who has been upset by someone/something on it and taken a hike,but is now back to stick a pin in someone.Am I right segway?
2)Well Kammy I'm really glad you are talking 'down' in laymens terms seeing as I only have an IQ of about 25.I don't know if your friend Kat was meaning I had said the work you have done was worthless..as I certainly didn''t say that..maybe it's a language problem.
What I was saying was what on earth was the point of starting a discussion on the why's wherfore's maybe's of morgellons and rehashing things that have been gone over before.
I admit I have not read everything you have posted because it would take a good portion of my life to do that and I have enough to keep me busy without being glued to a pc 24hrs a day.
In the beginning the work looked promising but then it went into overload,it seemed every bacteria,virus etc on the earth was being mentioned and some people did get bored and didn't understand it.Many morgies,including myself no longer have the capacity for reading vast swathes of writing.You two are lucky that you don't suffer this,but then judging by your words you are on a higher level than the rest of the minions.(I have a daughter who I call the Academic Idiot..she can speak latin like a Roman but unfortunately can't make a Boil In The Bag meal.But hey we all have a purpose in life exalted or not.)
By contrast I think the work Jo has been doing for almost a YEAR has been brilliant..it's been put in easy to understand words for us mentally challenged little people and she is on the right track with what she is saying...as are others like sarothra...where there is a namatode involved.

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''yes, I could have used a long string of scientific words, asking for the higher mind's opinions... but, no... the purpose of this thread is an attempt to bring us together so that we're not building The Tower of Babel and so that we possibly understand the language of our neighbor ''
I wonder if you realise how patronising that sounds? The writing in this post is not just my words,but words of others I have spoken to both past and present on this forum,who didn't like being told where to post their threads, or having their posts 'buried' quickly and found your attitude somewhat dictatorial.
Yes you have certainly put the pics and such together in a professional way what a pity the site isn't awash with scientists of a superior intelligence to be able to help you.
To your last paragraph yes it would probably be a good idea to tell us what you think is happening,because not having the sufficient brain power we'll never get there under our own steam.

Oh, now wait a minute. This is just downright cruel. I believe Kat and Kammy's hearts are sincere and straightforward in trying to find out what this condition is and are very open and honest about wanting researchers and scientists to help in their findings. Maybe their style isn't to your liking, but I don't think anything you are accusing them of was intentional or meant in the way you have accused them of. I really think you owe them an apology.

[Katinka]

Originally Posted by Kammy

What brought this thread about? Well, I'm going to tell them, Kat. Kat and I have great 'research Chemistry' when we're half way around the world from each other. lol

Here we are in the same place so that we can put our minds together, naturally, we've discussed Morgellons - we've had a couple of heated debates about Morgellons. I thought we understood the same things... well, it turns out - we don't in some areas. And, my thoughts with each debate was... 'if Kat doesn't understand what I understand... then how can I expect anyone else to understand?...'

Not to say either of us is right or wrong, this is not what this is about. We ALL have perceptions of what's happening, of what's happened to us and they are different in each case. Nobody's right and nobody's wrong...

My dearest friend Kam**

THIS is NOT about understanding thoughts or theories or not!

Of course, and you know best, that we BOTH ARE capable to understand what either of us is trying to say or explain. We just put them in different words..it's like two scientists who disagree....Do you think that ALL the 'capacities' and people who are investigating this disease are ALWAYS conform with their theories? NO!..and THIS is GOOD!

You and I know that the investigations and pictures we have made together lately have revealed to NEW conclusions according this disease!

YOU have your theory about this and I have mine based on my own experiences, microscopical samples, intensive research and scientific, medical facts discussed with several medical physicians.

It is not a matter of HOW put we put this information out here nor WHICH
words we use to explain..it's the FACTS that count!

And YES! your pictures show the PROOF! always have!...and I am very proud to call you my friend!

I personally think WE both and others have solved a big piece of this puzzle! Whether it IS man-made..a criminal intent...or NOT..is in my opinion irrelevant!

Love,
Kat