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Old February 4th, 2011, 05:36 PM
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Using THE GERSON THERAPY I followed his technique for healing all diseases including cancer. This is only one small increment of a complete diet he used 70 years ago with great succes until the government poisoned him. His daughter was his aid and kept his notes and as a result we have 2 books by him.

1. boil 2 cups of organic caffenated coffee for 3 minutes, and then let it simmer for 15 minutes.

2. strain through a paper towel in a colander into a pan.

3. evenly distubute the coffee into 10 jars (1 quart) .

4. add pure water to each jar to top them off and cap.

Buy an enema bag and follw instuctions for doing an enema. hold it for 10-15 minutes., and this must be done every night. (warm the coffee a bit before using)

After 1 week or so My husband and I began seeing "strange stuff" coming out of our bodies. Looks like yellow rocks. I saw similar "rocks" on DR Oz. He was pulling them out of Tonsils. They were festered foods that had lodged there years ago and caused rotten breath. I am thinking these yellow rocks are the same thing. Rotten bacteria laden rocks. Dr. Gerson recomends 3 weeks of enemas.

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Old February 4th, 2011, 06:24 PM
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Coffee enemas may be harmful in excess.

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Cyn is right, in that there is a lot of free information about the Gerson therapy on the internet.

Here's a discussion from the Sloan-Kettering site.

The foods used on this diet are fairly cooling to the body which could cause problems for those who have interior cold issues (this according to TCM and Ayurvedic nutritional views).

Sloan-Kettering - Gerson Regimen

Since this is a low sodium diet, sometimes electrolytes may become dangerously unbalanced and that could cause problems.

"This regimen has resulted in coma-inducing low levels of sodium. Case reports of deaths from repeated administration of coffee enemas indicate that the practice causes a dangerous decrease in serum electrolytes. Coffee enemas have an osmolality of 62 mOsm/kg; repeated administration increases extravascular fluid volume and may cause electrolyte imbalances and subsequent death (50)."

Here's additional cautions from that website:
Adverse Reactions

Common: Flu-like symptoms, loss of appetite, perspiration with foul odor, weakness, dizziness, cold sores, fever blisters, high fever, tumor pain, intestinal cramping, diarrhea, and vomiting. (The Gerson handbook claims that these adverse reactions are indicative of response) (1).
Common (metabolic diet): Nutrient deficiencies (calcium, vitamins D and B12, protein), anemia, and malabsorption may result from metabolic diets.
Reported: Campylobacterfetus sepsis caused by the liver injections was reported in 13 patients using the Gerson therapy between 1980-6; liver injections were subsequently eliminated from the regimen. Coma from low serum sodium (as low as 102 mEq/l) occurred in 5 of these patients (9).
Coffee enemas cause electrolyte imbalance, which has resulted in serious infections, dehydration, colitis, constipation, and death.
Case Reports (Coffee enemas): Case 1: Multiple seizures and hypokalemia leading to cardiorespiratory arrest, coma, and death were reported after excessive use of coffee enemas (1-4 per hour) for a number of days. Case 2: Death attributable to fluid and electrolyte imbalance causing pleural and pericardial effusions after use of coffee enemas, 4 per day for 8 weeks (5).

Some who have morgellons symptoms may have cancer issues as well (I have read of some who have) so this diet should also be approached with caution for this reason. Here's some interesting comments from this same site which are very applicable to those with Morgellons since the head, throat and intestinal areas seem to be greatly affected by whatever is causing Morgellons symptoms:

"The ease of absorption of the high volumes of raw fruit and vegetables in this diet is questionable, especially in patients with GI cancers or chemotherapy-induced mucosal damage. While elements of the Gerson diet are similar to diet recommendations made by the USDA and the American Cancer Society, metabolic diets are unsuitable for some patients with disseminated or metastatic disease, particularly of the head, neck, and gut (1).
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Please read this linked post before trying something like coffee enemas. Please thoroughly research anything you try. In excess this therapy could cause problems. In fact for some the body could be too weakened to attempt doing this at all without the advice and supervision of someone knowledgeable in its uses:

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Just a brief reprise from the above link--this is found on the Sloan Kettering site link from that post:

"This regimen has resulted in coma-inducing low levels of sodium. Case reports of deaths from repeated administration of coffee enemas indicate that the practice causes a dangerous decrease in serum electrolytes. Coffee enemas have an osmolality of 62 mOsm/kg; repeated administration increases extravascular fluid volume and may cause electrolyte imbalances and subsequent death (50)."

Personally I feel the jury is still out on this one. Here's a discussion of an alternative cancer doctor who has done some studies in his own practice using these types of therapies on those who have pancreatic cancer:

Nicholas Gonzalez (doctor) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old February 4th, 2011, 06:51 PM
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Don't every drug on the market come with warnings, most go somthing like this your heart may stop you could go blind, your liver will fail, the kidneys could fail.

then there are black box drugs, they just plain old kill people by the thousands, there is no maybes there.

Hmmmm, let me see when was the last time I heard of a person dying from coffee enemas, tick tock tic tock tic tock, NEVER, I never hear of this happening, NEVER ever.

Then there is TRADITIONAL CHINESE MEDICINE

TCM medicines have been found to have adverse effects.[59][60] TCM herbs may contain toxins.[61][62] If the TCM treatment only has a placebo effect, patients may fail to receive effective scientific medical treatement when it is available, such as in the treatmet of easily cured bacteriological infection. Several cases of pneumothorax, nerve damage[citation needed] and infection[citation needed] have been reported as resulting from acupuncture treatments. Dizziness and bruising sometimes result from acupuncture.[citation needed][citation needed] Several cases of pneumothorax, nerve damage[citation needed] and infection[citation needed] have been reported as resulting from acupuncture treatments. However, these adverse events are extremely rare especially when compared to other medical interventions, and were found to be due to practitioner negligence.[citation needed] Dizziness and bruising sometimes result from acupuncture

thats right, speak about your own misgivings, go ask the master.
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Old February 4th, 2011, 07:36 PM
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Did I see that you were referring to enemas given on almost an hourly basis?! Good LORD! That is the EXTREME treatment that DR used and he CURED CANCER that had already metastisized so they were as good as dead anyway.

If you read what I posted, we are doing ONE PER NIGHT for a 3 week period. That is a cleanse. And from what Im seeing in my toilet, Im being cleansed, thank you. Bye the way, I am also having a regular bowel movement every day like clockwork for the first time since I can remember. Not the hard round pellet kind. smooth long and easy.
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Old February 4th, 2011, 10:21 PM
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Quote from the Sloan-Kettering Institute:

"Since this is a low sodium diet, sometimes electrolytes may become dangerously unbalanced and that could cause problems.

"This regimen has resulted in coma-inducing low levels of sodium. Case reports of deaths from repeated administration of coffee enemas indicate that the practice causes a dangerous decrease in serum electrolytes. Coffee enemas have an osmolality of 62 mOsm/kg; repeated administration increases extravascular fluid volume and may cause electrolyte imbalances and subsequent death (50)."

From the Mayo Clinic:

"Frequent home enemas can increase the risk of injury to your anus and rectum. Also, home enema solutions can irritate and cause changes to the lining of your large intestine (colon). Frequent enemas can be dangerous for people with kidney or heart disease, who are more likely to experience fluid overload (hypervolemia) or electrolyte imbalance.Over time, frequent use of enemas can impair the natural ability of your colon to evacuate stool. If this occurs, you may have to retrain it to go without enemas. You can do this by consuming plenty of fiber and water, taking a bulk-forming laxative, increasing your exercise and taking time to have bowel movements."

So sudio and BO, are you advocating the use of coffee enemas without warning others of the possibility of injury or death and without discussing the cautions they might want to take before using such a protocol? Some people are already weak from being ill for a prolonged time. They might have an already weak constitution as well. One enema a day for three weeks may be too much for some people. How do you know this is just a find and dandy recommendation for everyone? Do you two have personal knowledge of every person's situation? Anything we try should come with a warning about excessive use (and I did not hear even that from sudio), but even ordinary usage could create problems for some people. You simply have no way of knowing.

Yet another poster who has to put up the exact same information more than once on this forum. Three is the magic number too. Interesting.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 12:31 PM
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All I know is i could not have a bowel movement , with RX medications, herbal remedies, prune juice, liquid diet, All that toxicity was jammed up my colon for months. I might pass a rock now and then. I felt so ill and tired.
I tried the coffee enemas once nightly and by the 2nd week I am having a regular smooth movement every day. You cannot argue with results. You can post all the quotes (because you dont do things on your own) so all you can do is quote propaganda, but I am getting results. Go find some more propaganda while the rest of us work at getting better.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 01:07 PM
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Thanks for making it obvious what you are really saying sudio. You back up none of what you say. And you are an authority on nothing. Sounds like it may be agenda time again.

And BTW, enemas will make you go? What a concept. And your bowel can become dependent on that when used daily, even for a short time. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not your advice can be a problem for some who are already weakened by a prolonged illness. You do not know about the health status of others here or what medications they might be on.

I have to wonder when you do not post cautions when speaking of such a serious and potentially harmful protocol. That omission too appears quite revealing.

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All I know is i could not have a bowel movement , with RX medications, herbal remedies, prune juice, liquid diet, All that toxicity was jammed up my colon for months. I might pass a rock now and then. I felt so ill and tired.
I tried the coffee enemas once nightly and by the 2nd week I am having a regular smooth movement every day. You cannot argue with results. You can post all the quotes (because you dont do things on your own) so all you can do is quote propaganda, but I am getting results. Go find some more propaganda while the rest of us work at getting better.
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Sudio do not pay this woman any attention she has done this to many many others including me.

Others have confided in me that she may be a plant, to disrupt and keep us at odds with each other.

I have heard from other people that TCM most likely is a disinformation agent working either for the government or the drug company's, but up until this very moment I just thought it hogwash.

This woman TCM has been trying to find out who we really are by our email addresses and every time someone says they have been helped by something, not out of the ordinary, and without dead bodies linked to it like pharmaceuticals she discredits it.

Who are you working for, what is your game, TCM.

Or are you working for the CHINESE pushing the TRADITIONAL CHINESE MEDICINES that are coming into our country by the 100 thousands of tons.

What is her game, whatever it is she is cunning and in my estimation evil.

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Old February 5th, 2011, 02:49 PM
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Uh, play it again, yeah, why dontcha sam...

Meanwhile please let me know where I work after you figure it all out, as I must have a pile of pay checks waiting to be cashed. How exciting!

Uh oh. What's this here? Who is it who's babbling on about wanting to take TCM medicines? Why goodness, in fact this person is apparently desperate to do so. Why it's YOU:

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All that maybe is trumped by I will heal one for free, that would have been me as a test subject, if just one good thing would have come from it there was no sweat off of anyone but me, no chance anyone but me would be poisoned or robbed.

I tried mt best to hookup with them and really once a Chinese is losing face they become very disapointed.

A con will go on and on all the time offering a cure for MONEY they will never stop.

As far as I am concerned it was opportunity lost.

While I was in China I went to several herbal medicine factories, they were all very polight and never pushy, they told me what their concoctions were known for and were very proud of their work.

I had to ride around in terrible traffic on a tiny motorcycle and that was not fun, but it was educational.
Speaking of plants are you sure you are not the ONE "working for the CHINESE pushing the TRADITIONAL CHINESE MEDICINES that are coming into our country by the 100 thousands of tons" ? You surely seem interested in their herbal medicine factories from your above post. Overly so.

Oh, I know. It all becomes stunningly clear grasshopper. THAT is THE REASON why you are so suspicious of others here.

YOU, yourself, are most likely THE PLANT for the Chinese.

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Sudio do not pay this woman any attention she has done this to many many others including me.

Others have confided in me that she may be a plant, to disrupt and keep us at odds with each other.

I have heard from other people that TCM most likely is a disinformation agent working either for the government or the drug company's, but up until this very moment I just thought it hogwash.

This woman TCM has been trying to find out who we really are by our email addresses and every time someone says they have been helped by something, not out of the ordinary, and without dead bodies linked to it like pharmaceuticals she discredits it.

Who are you working for, what is your game, TCM.

Or are you working for the CHINESE pushing the TRADITIONAL CHINESE MEDICINES that are coming into our country by the 100 thousands of tons.

What is her game, whatever it is she is cunning and in my estimation evil.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 04:59 PM
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The name TCM stands for Traditional Chinese Medicine, see how she skates the facts, only take Chinese, Chinese, Chinese, imports, LOL, she is a regular BILL BOARD

TCM buy it now from the master, my master,

I did go to China to find out what sort of things are going on there, they are becoming the production center of the world.

Soon all the old will be gone, what a loss.
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