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Old September 29th, 2009, 06:40 PM
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Natural Killer Cell Boosting Protocol for Morgellon's

Here is a new strategy for treating Morgellon's that I think should be extremely effective. It worked very well for me, clearing up the secondary bacterial and fungal infections I had due to my chronic fatigue syndrome.

This strategy is based on the idea that the Morgellon's microbes/parasites are managing to survive in the body only because Morgellon's patients have very under-active immune systems.

Specifically, research shows that in Morgellon's patients, the natural killer (NK) cells of the immune system are not active, so they cannot do their job properly. The job of NK cells is to kill microbes/parasites that invade your body.

Once your natural killer cell activity is low, invading microbes/parasites get the upper hand. Instead of being destroyed by the immune system, these microbes stay and multiply. You get opportunistic infections as well, since without active natural killer cells, the immune system is suppressed and cannot fight off infections. This may well be why the parasites remain in Morgellons patients.

Fortunately, there are many supplement that can greatly boost your natural killer cells; some can increase natural killer activity by as much as 400%!!

The strategy is to take four or five of these NK-boosting supplements, to hugely boost your natural killer cell activity.

Here is a list of natural killer cell boosters (with the most powerful ones listed first):

Cordyceps 1000 mg
MGN3 Biobran (Arabinoxylan) (good, but far too expensive).
Low-dose Naltrexone 5 mg once daily, taken before bed (a safe prescription drug).
Siberian Ginseng (Eleutherococcus senticosus) 1000 mg
IP6 - Inositol Hexaphosphate (also called: Phytic Acid) 1200 mg
Maitake 300 mg
Shiitake 300 mg
Aged Garlic Tablets 1000 mg
Raw Garlic 10 cloves a day
Inosine 1000 mg
Rhodiola Rosea (also called: golden root) 300 mg
Neem 500 mg
Alfalfa 50 mg of alfalfa seed, or 8 grams of dried alfalfa leaves
Echinacea 1500 mg
Astragalus 1000 mg
Spirulina 5 grams
Lycopene 8 mg

The quoted doses should be taken twice daily.

As I say, you don't need to take all of these, but you should select say about 5 of the more powerful ones. For example, start with: Cordyceps, Siberian Ginseng, Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6), Aged Garlic Tablets, Neem. It can take a month or two so before the NK cells are built up using these supplements.

Tip: to buy supplements at very good prices, these bulk suppliers are excellent: 1fast400.com, purebulk.com, myprotein.co.uk (and if anyone knows any other good wholesale/bulk vitamin suppliers, please post them!). Also, eBay is a very cheap source of bulk herbal powders.

Also helpful for NK boosting (to a lesser degree) are these supplements: glutamine, selenium, vitamin E, zinc, DHEA, mangosteen, aloe vera, Korean ginseng, quercetin, beta glucans, beta sitosterol.

If you buy IP6, this powder dissolves well in water, so I suggest that, in additional taking IP6 orally, you also mix 1 gram of IP6 in water, and treat your skin topically with this IP6 solution.


Here is some info on the relative power of these various NK boosters (from research studies I found on the web). This power is expressed in terms of the percentage increase of NK activity each supplement provides:

Cordyceps: 74% to 400% increase in NK activity. MGN3 Biobran: 300%. Low-dose Naltrexone: 200% to 300%. Siberian ginseng extract: 200% increase in NK activity after one week. Maitake 160%. Aged Garlic Tablets: 155.5%. Raw Garlic: 139.9% increase (at 10 cloves a day). Rhodiola Rosea: 112% increase in NK activity in intestines. Astragalus Extract: 11 to 45%. Spirulina: 40%. Lycopene: 28% increase in NK activity in 12 weeks.

A study at the University of Massachusetts showed that reducing fat from 32% to 23% of the diet boosted natural killer cell activity by 48%. So this is something to consider. Meditation can also help booste NK activity. Vitamin A deficiency decreases natural killer cell activity, so ensure you are not vitamin A deficient.


This NK boosting protocol is different to what many people are currently trying, which is to kill the Morgellon's microbe with antibiotics, antifungals, etc. Instead, the idea here is to increase the power of the natural killer cell immune response, in order to eliminate the Morgellons' infection by a powerful immune attack on the Morg microbes (See ADDITIONAL INFO below for a further general explanation).

The rationale for this NK boosting protocol takes into account the findings of the Morgellons Research Foundation, who discovered that Morgellon's patients have very low natural killer cell functioning (see here for reference on this research).

(Morgellons patients also have: elevated cytokines TNF-alpha, IL-6 and TGF-beta; low hemoglobin and hematocrit with abnormal RBC indices; high blood glucose, insulin, calcium, and serum homocysteine, and low serum potassium and magnesium).


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How can a virus or microbe manage to stay in the body as chronic infection, when the immune system is immensely powerful, and in theory, well capable of eradicating any microbe?

The answer is that bacteria and viruses don't just sit there inside your body, afraid and hiding, hoping not to be destroyed by the immune system.

Not at all. The very opposite. These microbes actively attack the immune system. And they do it in many ways, typically by disrupting the communications sent between the various parts (cells) of the immune system. When these communications are disrupted, the immune system cannot not function properly, because (like a real army), it cannot receive its orders.

In this way, microbes can cleverly evade destruction by the immune system.

The study of the tactics used by microbes against the immune system is called immune evasion. You can look up "immune evasion" in Google for more info. If microbes did not play these dirty disruptive tricks of immune evasion, our immune response would eradicate any microbe VERY quickly.

So, if you have a long-term persistent microbial infection, it is because that microbe is attacking or disrupting your immune system. That is the main reason you cannot eliminate the microbe.

But getting down to practicalities:

I think that Morgellon's microbes are using immune evasion tactics to survive. The good news is, we may be able to do something about it, as follows:

One of the most common dirty tactics employed by microbes is disrupting the communications for our "seek and destroy" natural killer immune cells. Once you jam these communications signals, the natural killer cells cannot function. So they cannot kill Morgellon's.

However, there are ways to re-activate the natural killer cells. And when you do, I think Morgellon's will be on the retreat, as these NK cells do not mess about.

Perhaps the skin lesions will be cleared within couple of months (with luck).

Well, OK, I am am optimistic, but I think it will work.

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Old October 20th, 2009, 12:27 PM
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Very interesting. Would definitely make sense. Has anyone tried this? Hip have you? Any results?
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Old October 20th, 2009, 01:36 PM
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YEs, this worked very well for me to help eliminate the many secondary infections that you get when you have chronic fatigue syndrome (I have CFS).

This is why I think it may be very good for Morgellons disease, to help eliminate the skin infections.

Most of these supps you take orally.

But you can try also using IP6 on the skin.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 01:47 PM
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Makes sense to me. May even explain why there has been such a boom in the US. We are after all the fast food eating capital of the world!
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Old October 20th, 2009, 04:28 PM
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I'm going to give it a try soon. I started taken Collodial Silver for four days at the maximum dose for Immune Boost (to be taken 7 days and cut down). I feel better energy-wise, amazingly I've woken up at the first beep of my alarm (never happens!) sometimes I sleep through it . My eyes aren't bloodshot or irritated. I've been putting it in my eyes as someone else suggested. I would like to try other things though as I am concerned about taking too much silver and turning blue! I don't want to take it everyday. The amount of people who have had problems are so rare, but I am a nervous Nelly I guess. Having Morgs and looking like a smurf would just totally set me over the edge

Thanks for posting all of this info.

JinPA09- LOL I just asked on another thread if anyone else had a lot of stinkbugs in their area. I take your sig. as a yes.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 05:39 AM
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Default Interesting an FYI for Combining meds. and Herbs-Supplements

Thanks for this info. I have printed it because of the positive replies. I want it handy when ordering or researching.

One thing I am wondering, for those who can not help to be taking drugs from pharma, would it not be a good idea to see if there are any interactions or is it contraindications with any medications a person may be on? I take medication which I wish I didn't have to, but if I didn't, my QOL would be less than it is from the "M".

I know Kava can calm people but it also has a drowsy affect and in past news people have died from combinig this with benzodiazapines, sleeping meds., etc.

I had a link for checking supplements and food interactions with meds. but I'll have to see if I can find that link. I have so much saved on a flash drive and not well organized. Maybe someone else knows a place to do this.

It is absolutely wonderful and most appreciated; all the help people want to give others in regards to this hideous disease, but to keep our fellow friends safe I think this is something to know. I give my Drs. a copy of all supplements I take.

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Old October 21st, 2009, 09:17 AM
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I find it extremely interesting that someone who says what you said in this highlighted quote (from your post in another thread) knows enough to say that the particular protocol of supplements and one medication (low dose Naltrexone) which is pretty hard to get most doctors to prescribe for any condition will cure Morgellons lesions. If indeed this seems to have controlled your background infections, by your own words, this protocol does not seem to be fixing your fatigue at all (also a big part of Morgellons). So it does not sound to me as if using this protocol is helping you that much with your basic illness of chronic fatigue and with what is known of chronic fatigue and its connection to infections it would seem that if this detailed and expensive list of supplements was that effective at raising NK cells it would have made some sort of impressive dint in your chronic fatigue. My concern is that this protocol could prove quite expensive for folks to undertake with very little assurance that it will effect their Morgellons symptoms that much, especially since you do not have Morgellons and can only give a testimonial on how this protocol is effecting your particular case of chronic fatigue:

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I do very little these days. My chronic fatigue syndrome is quite bad, and I usually cannot remember what day of the week it is. And much of the time, my anxiety levels as so high that my brain almost seizes, and cannot even think, read or watch watch TV, and I have to more or less hide myself away from the world. That is a terrible state. However, I get my good days, and today is one of them, thank goodness.

Previously, when I was well, I studied computer science, and computer modelling of brain functions.

However, I have always been very interested in herbal and alternative medicine, long before for catching chronic fatigue syndrome, and this love of herbal remedies has this has helped more than anything else. As we all know, when a health condition is not yet on the radar (and the treatment schedule) of regular medical professionals, you have to figure out how best to treat yourself.

The best thing about herbs is that they are all exceptional safe in comparison to prescribed drugs. What this means is that your can try many herbs, on a trial and error basis, to see if there is a herbal or other dietary supplement that may miraculously improve your situation.

PS: You are spot on with your guess: Hip does indeed pay homage to Hippocrates. Let us hope that the CDC also try to reflect the spirit of the Hippocratic Oath, in the investigation they have commissioned into Morgellon's. The CDC still officially say (completely erroneously) that chronic fatigue syndrome is "all in the mind", so I have no respect for the CDC, I have no respect for their integrity, and I have not respect for the their "science" (they are better at hiding the truth than finding the truth; the latter is what science should be about).
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Here is a new strategy for treating Morgellon's that I think should be extremely effective. It worked very well for me, clearing up the secondary bacterial and fungal infections I had due to my chronic fatigue syndrome.

This strategy is based on the idea that the Morgellon's microbes/parasites are managing to survive in the body only because Morgellon's patients have a very under-active immune systems.

In Morgellon's, the natural killer (NK) cells of the immune system are not active, so they cannot do their job properly. The job of NK cells is to kill microbes/parasites that invade your body.

Once your natural killer cell activity is low, invading microbes/parasites get the upper hand. Instead of being destroyed by the immune system, these microbes stay and multiply. You get opportunistic infections as well, since without active natural killer cells, the immune system is suppressed and cannot fight off infections. This may well be why the parasites do not go away in Morgellons patients.

Fortunately, there are many supplement that can greatly boost your natural killer cells; some can increase natural killer activity by as much as 300%!!

The strategy is to take four or five (and preferably more) of these NK-boosting supplements, to massively boost your natural killer cell activity.

Here is the list of natural killer cell boosters:

IP6 - Inositol Hexaphosphate (also called: Phytic Acid) 1200 mg
Neem 500 mg
Alfalfa 50 mg of alfalfa seed, or 8 grams of dried alfalfa leaves
MGN3 Biobran
Low-dose Naltrexone 5 mg once daily, taken before bed.
Cordyceps 2000 mg
Echinacea 1500 mg
Inosine 1000 mg
Lycopene (a form of vitamin A) 8 mg
Rhodiola rosea (also called: golden root) 500 mg
Spirulina 5 grams
Beta glucans
Quercetin
Astragalus 1000 mg
Siberian ginseng 1000 mg
Korean ginseng 1000 mg
Cat’s claw 500 mg

These doses should be taken twice a day.

REPEAT: It will probably be necessary to take 5 or more of these, say: IP6, Neem, Alfalfa, Cordyceps, Inosine.

But the more you take, the better.

Also helpful: glutamine, selenium, vitamin E, zinc, DHEA, beta sitosterol.

I have put what I think are the best NK boosters towards the top of the list. Here are some examples of their potency:

MGN3 Biobran: 300% increase in NK activity.
Cordyceps: 74% to 400% increase in NK activity.
Rhodiola rosea: 112% increase in NK activity in intestines.
Low-dose Naltrexone: 200% to 300% increase in NK activity.

Note that in some people, it can take a month or so before the NK cells are built up using these supplements, so for them the healing process may be slow to start.

Interestingly, there have been anecdotal accounts of alfalfa or neem curing Morgellon's lesions. I suggest that it may well be the NK-boosting effect of these herbs that eliminated the sores. If so, this is tantalising evidence that this NK-boosting strategy may work.

If you take lots of these NK supplements together, it will have an extremely powerful synergy.

This strategy is different to what many people are currently trying, which is to kill the Morgellon's microbe with antibiotics, antifungals, etc. Instead, the idea here is to increase the power of the NK immune response, in order to eliminate the Morgellons' infection (and any additional opportunistic infections) by a powerful immune attack on the parasites.

Reference: information on the immune system and other biomarkers in Morgellon's give below. Note that natural killer cells are also called CD-57 cells.

Morgellons UK - Awareness Campaign 2009 - Support: Medical Information
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This is a very good list. Also I wanted to mention that rife does really well at killing the microbes. I dont know about any rife frequency that raises nk cell levels. But I am learning alot at rifeforum.com about rife in general. That is only if someone is interested in learning more about rife and how it can effectively treat disease.

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tcmgpt13, I think Hip said it helped the secondary infections that accompany her chronic fatigue, not the actual fatigue itself? On another note, I found the silver has greatly helped me with my fatigue, but its early yet, I've only taken it 4 days.
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Yes, brat789, I know that, but my point is that we do not know what is going to cure our lesions and whether a protocol which is meant for the secondary infections of someone with chronic fatigue is going to cure Morgellons lesions, especially those lesions which have parasitic involvement as well as infection. I think that is rather open to question and saying "kill morgellons by returning your immune system to full power power" could be very misleading and might wind up dashing some people's hope for a quick cure. Having seen some other posters make these kinds of claims with no cure even close, I am fairly skeptical when someone entitles their post in such a manner. Improve yes, but kill...well very open to question.

As I pointed out in my previous post this person claims to have CFS which is different than having Morgellons. Still if this protocol were doing so well against the secondary infections this person has I would also expect to see some improvement of fatigue symptoms since there is a new study which indicates a strong connection between CFS and a type of retrovirus. So a reduction in the CFS symptoms would be an indicator that NK cells had indeed increased in the blood. I could question whether blood work (before and after) was done to verify this person's claim of secondary infection cure. I could also ask was blood work done before and after use of the protocol to prove the NK cells levels had increased. I think it is very hard for some people to raise NK cells using supplements (think cancer patients for one) and probably a lot of effectiveness depends on state of health before getting sick as well as genetic ability to fight off viral and other infections.

My other point is that one of these suggestions would require the co-operation of an open minded physician, one willing to try low dose Naltrexone to see if it at all helped Morgellons symptoms along with the other supplements. Not all doctors are willing to try this drug. Some people with Morgellons do not even have a doctor.

How well this protocol would work is anyone's guess. My concern is that this protocol could prove quite expensive (sheer numbers of supplements and doses). I am fairly certain this would be a long term supplement protocol and even then it may not work for everyone or even anyone with Morgellons lesions.

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