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Old December 18th, 2008, 10:10 PM
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Default Hyperbaric AIRPLANE

I was on the airplane the other day and started off with a major headache when we reached altitude, this is the same result I remember with the hyperbaric chamber when first using, as I used the hyperbaric chamber the headache went away. In fact I had very few problems while using the hyperbaric chamber. The plane is like a hyperbaric chamber in this way, they pressurize the cabin. I know there are others with the headache that starts right at the base of the skull, how many of you get these and are they spured on by plane travel also?
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Old December 19th, 2008, 02:20 PM
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You never answered my question about how you get one of those huge hyperbaric chambers onto a plane. Also, I am not sure about the cost of these, but I spoke to a doctor who bought one by getting a second mortgage on his house. Treatments cost $5,000 for 10 treatments. Are you Warren Buffett?
Big diff between hyperbaric and airplanes is the composition of the air, which is the key to why hyperbaric treatments are effective. It's the oxygen, not just the pressure.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 04:18 PM
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Default Hard vs Soft Sided Hyperbaric Chambers

Benefits of Hard Hyperbaric Chambers Versus Soft Chambers
"“Soft-sided” or "Inflatable" Chambers DO NOT Provide the Same Benefit
as Hard Chambers.
Jessica in one of hard chambers

* HBOT provided in a hard chamber can regrow bone and tissue in severely damaged areas of the body; soft-sided chambers cannot achieve these objectives.
* Treatment provided in a hard chamber is supported by thousands of clinical studies which validate successful healing when using a hard chamber. No such correlation has been made with soft-sided chambers and healing.
* Most treatment in hard chamber is recognized for reimbursement by insurance companies and the federal government. This is not true for soft-sided chambers.
* Hard chambers are made to go to pressures that heal; soft-sided chambers are designed to temporarily treat divers and mountain climbers in route to a hard chamber.
* Soft-sided chambers promote the undesirable growth of aerobic bacteria whereas hard chambers kill harmful bacteria.
* Soft-sided chambers cannot go past 1.3 absolute atmospheres and thus cannot heal like a hard chamber can."

These soft sided chambers have a machine which concentrates outside air into "oxygen" of sorts, Some are modifying these chambers for use with real oxygen tanks but this is NOT recommended for safety reasons:

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Also on this topic, from Healing Chambers International

We asked one of our Science and Advisory Board members for his opinion on the zippered urethane inflatable chambers, now becoming popular in the United States and elsewhere. The essence of his comments . . . ."These so-called 'mild-hyperbaric' (mHBOT) chambers do not give any of the therapeutic results of regular 'hard' chambers and thus waste the patients' most precious resource -- their time."

"When you see these chambers used in hospitals, only then can you believe that this is serious medicine . . ."

"Any physician that advocates having patients spend hours zipped into an inflatable air chamber demonstrates a profound ignorance of physics, physiology and the many years of research into the effects of high density oxygen on the human body. If these physicians do understand the science and still use these 'bags' then their interest has to be based on profit rather than patient wellbeing and standards of care."

Robert L. Sands is uniquely qualified to comment on the science relating to the inflatable chambers. For three years Sands administered research and development for the Commonwealth of Australia and his first hyperbaric chamber patent application was lodged in 1983 for an inflatable chamber. Sands abandoned the inflatable concept after expending considerable resources and went on to design and build chambers in the “conventional” manner meeting American Society of Mechanical Engineers, Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“ASME PVHO-1") standards. Sands eventually designed and developed the revolutionary transportable recompression chamber system that is now in fleet-wide use with the U.S. Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard. Sands holds the patent for that transportable chamber system.

Sands commented “There were many valid scientific and technical reasons to abandon the development of an inflatable chamber in 1985 and those reasons are still valid twenty years later in the year 2008. It is appropriate that I sum up the comments that I am about to justify:

"One problem is the lack of pressure in these inflatable chambers. In actual fact, oxygen pressures lower than 1.3 ata (4.4 psig) promotes the growth of aerobic bacteria in injured tissue within the body. Pressures have to be increased to to sufficient levels for oxygen to become bacteriostatic." See footnote #1 (on the website, link below)

"Any chamber that will not hold more than 4 pounds per square inch (psig) pressure, and where the patient is breathing air rather than oxygen, fails most patients. It consumes their time and wastes their money."

and this was also shared on their website (link is below) ...

Important questions must be asked since the inflatable air-bag is proliferating throughout the United States.

- Is the inflatable air-bag treatment pressure adequate or even beneficial for most patients needing HBOT as life or limb salvage? Or to help eliminate chronic disease? The answer is a resounding “NO.”

Identical partial pressures of oxygen occur if you spend an hour at the bottom of a 9 foot deep swimming pool, breathing from a SCUBA tank and the physiological changes to the human body are virtually the same!

Code compliance – the FDA:

These inflatable air-bag chambers do have FDA “510(k)” clearance numbers. These use the “Gamow” bag as their predicate device. They are cleared by the FDA for marketing ONLY for the treatment of acute mountain sickness (where at higher elevations there is less oxygen in the air and climbers become ill)) known as AMS.

Mild hyperbaric chambers can only be legally marketed for AMS and it has a low world-wide incidence rate!

However, these inflatable chambers are becoming popular with health spas, chiropractors, sporting teams and caregivers. There has been an "underground" effort to promote the use of 100% oxygen (H cylinders) and oxygen concentrators in pressurizing these inflatable chambers. As well, some owners have modified the valves to increase the pressure past maximum allowable operating pressure of the inflatable chamber. There is one U.S. confirmed catastrophic failure of an inflatable chamber which burst when taken to 14 PSIG.

As an FDA Class II medical device, whether the bag is full of air or oxygen, a licensed physician or dental surgeons’ prescription is mandatory for any use. While many chiropractors and other health practitioners have great skills, the law is the law. Despite their skills, they cannot write that prescription. You must have a prescription from a physician (M.D. or D.O.) or a dental surgeon (D.D.S.) to purchase an inflatable air-bag. Referring to the air-bag as “mild” hyperbaric oxygen therapy (mHBOT) does not erase FDA rulings. Chiropractors (D.C.) naturopathic doctors (N.D.) or any other practitioners are breaking the law if they prescribe mild hyperbarics and face arrest by their local district attorney. Sadly, so too are any well-meaning caregivers that allow others to use their personal inflatable chambers."
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Old December 19th, 2008, 05:38 PM
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Default There is alot of info on this subject

here the fellow says 1.2 atmosphere is bad but 1.5 atmosphere is good. There was a doctors convention a while ago about autism, the parents of autistic children filled the place. Most of their children had been bettered by hyperbarics, while these parents stood there the head idiot doctor exclaimed that hyperbarics was primarilly useless. The parents could not believe what they just heard as they knew the children where HEALED by hyperbarics ONLY. The 1.3 soft side hyperbaric bag I boosted the pressure on it to do 5.5 pounds not 4.5 and it has cleared the whites of my eyes, made my urin turn clear, stoped my blood pressure from being so high and made me feel like I was turbo charged. hmmmmmmmmm, must be a placebo affect, LOL That is what I know, not what I read. WOOPS I CAN'T POST URLS YET I AM LESS THAN 15 POSTS!!!!
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Old December 19th, 2008, 08:41 PM
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Default While your pondering the effects of hyperbarics

Think about a bottle of COKE when you open the top all the bubbles appear, this is about the same thing that happens when you step out of a hyperbaric chamber! The simple effects of even the mild hyperbarics is evident to anyone that uses them, just look on EBAY to see how many are up for sale, looky looky looky, the only stuff you find on there is NEW ones for $7995 usually. There are times you will find a used one but it will be SNATCHED up quickly, why do you think that is??? This is because many people are not feeling nothing or placebo affect they actually feel BETTER.

If you need some real info ask a doctor, they are sure to say it is hogwash and useless as they know NOTHING about it and actually never even tried one. Then as I said before look up autism and hyperbarics, you will find the praise of parents with afflicted children raving about this useless item. The woman that turned me on to this form of healing had a son that had drowned at age 4, he lived thru it in a comatose state, suffered strokes and other maladys. That is untill she brought him to hyperbarics at 14 years old, he went from a comatose state to saying his first words!!! His face was twisted and horrid, now he looks like a normal boy, still it is a long road ahead getting his body to work for him, did I mention he said his first words in ten years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This result was accomplished in a COMMERCIAL unit with OXYGEN infussion. My results in the mild hyperbaric chamber were not as intense as this but they are VERY EVIDENT. The biggest thing to me is my head stopped pounding at night, NOTHING did that before no amount of high blood pressure meds. I want a doctor to tell me I am stupid for using one as I will say I bet you won't say that as I stand over your grave, DOCTOR! Untill you use one you will NEVER be able to say what happens! Mine has blown out the window I think the previous owner was using it at more than 7 pounds. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD THEIR OWN please contact me I will tell you what I know about construction, the main part needed is a 500 gallon air compressor tank. You can use a much smaller one but that will do for you and the little lady or man, or even you and the kids.

You can infuse oxygen but you must have a gauge and regulator that will handle more than 20 pounds. Full immersion in oxygen is dangerous beyound your wildest dreams, so a hood feeding only your head is the best situation. There are many other considerations the biggest being reinforcement of the tube where you put the door and door type, after that there is pressure gauge, releif valve, materials to use inside, removal of moisture from air pumped into chamber so it is not humid. It may sound complex but it would be easy for a common craftsman with a welder. There is one thing else that would be real nice , a plazma cutter to make a perfect round door hole but even that needs adaption. You should be able to build this for under $2000. easy and have the same sort of chamber that costs more than $25,000 used.

I FORGOT ONE LAST THING, because I buy whatever I think will help my health I have an oxygen meter at my disposal, this meter told me the before oxygen levels in my blood which was a constant 96 and some times way below after I started to use the chamber it went up to 98 and 99 then when it blew up it stayed that way for a long time now it is back down to 96 97. The oxygen meter is a good tool if you can afford one, they are on ebay for a resonable price, less than $100 for a good one!!!

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