Dr. Hildegarde Staninger-environmental toxicologist

[emmarose]

go to youtube and type in her name and she gives a three part interview that is fascinating. very interesting indeed about morgellons and who is more susceptible to it and what it's made up of, etc......really worth watching!!!

type in Dr. Hildegarde Staninger--she has done a ton of research about what is chemically in these worms/parasites/fibers...and wants to do DNA testing ASAP.

[Jo]

Hello Emmarose!

Welcome to MDR

Thanks for starting this thread. I think its important that we keep track of what researchers are revealing what...

I need to listen to her recent radio interview again, to check if she'd completed the DNA work (it was pretty technical). Here's some of the headlines from listening the first time round!

Radio interview with Dr. Staninger, Dr. Kolb, & Dr. Raynor on 8th March 2008 http://www.radiosandysprings.com/temple.php

Notes:
Dr Staninger still believes that morgellons is caused by nanotechnology gone wrong.

Thats its likely to be in the air and through work contamination. She's doesnt think it passes from human to human.

People of Viking and German blood line are more prone to infection with nanotechnology.

The nanotechnology in the body is plastic and silicone based and stops normal digestion of carbohydrates.

The plastic fibres are mixed up with infections from bacteria, fungus, micro parasite and insects. They referred to http://www.silentsuperbug.com/

Dr Staninger did a trial with 10 patients on Opaline and after 2 weeks their bodies were breaking down the plastic and it was leaving the body.


She suggested detox by:

1) Getting a months supply of Opaline, which is oxygen & water (approx $24)

2) By doing a colon cleanse by eating okra, or by doing a coffee colonic

3) Gall bladder cleanse: half cup of olive oil and juice of 3 lemons


Here's our Opaline thread, for further info:

http://www.morgellons-disease-resear...p?topic=3917.0

Jo xxx

[Kritters]

Speaking of 1/2 C olive oil and juice of 3 lemons (yumm), I wonder if it would work if someone added some other tasty stuff like oregano (since the oil is good anywho) and maybe some pureed avacado, fresh or canned tomatoes, onions, garlic....poured it over a salad and ate throughout the day. Not only a good cleanse, but nutritious as well!!!! ???? Wonder if the other stuff would interfere???

xoxo
Kritts
(who is always looking to make a tasty meal of medicine!!! )

[Jo]

Hi guys.

Sorry, this post is ...BIG!! Just listened to the Hilde and Kolb show and have just about taken notes on the lot. Here goes.....

Hilde and Kolb May 2008 - Third radio show on Morgellons
http://www.radiosandysprings.com/pod...May10.2008.mp3

These is an underlying problem with immunity and toxicity with lots of chronic illnesses including Morgellons.

Fibers and Silicone

Hilde - foreign fibers grow out of the body from lesions (raw open sores that do not bleed and have a plastic or silicone coating). The fibers are plastic or silicone covered. Also the body is creating plastic or silicone within. The body is also creating a carbohydrate biodegradable plastic, found in later studies.

Fiber analysis showed a top part silicone head with a 2 part polyester resin. Tough fibers - a fiberous network. Although it presents as a skin problem, the fibers get into the body through eating, inhalation and through the skin. Self replication occurs in the intestinal tract, small intestines, kidneys and lungs.

It is a systemic disease.

The matter is attracted to soft tissues in the body. They are attracted to the Vitreous Humor (soft tissue of eye). An Opnathologist examining a Morg patient was perplexed by his findings "the Cornea is scratched on the inside - dont known how??". Laser skin/eye procedures, could be bad for morgs as the fibers may melt. Eyes are difficult to treat.

Need to help body make cells healthy again. The fibers are so small or do not create a resonance and stimulate the 5 types of white blood cells do not recognise them as foreign to attack. Need to break the labyrinth of silicone and fibers. Biopsies on lesions (need to be careful when taking biopsies as can cause infection) have shown that bacterias and fungus growth out of the fibers and need to watch for infection. They have seen bugs and parasites amongst the fibers as well, in some people. Some people don’t have lesions but still have the fibers.

Need to attack the fiber network. The 2 part polyester resin, shows that the fiber network have tubes within tubes, so there maybe other suBStances within these.
Nano sized particulates which are man made.

Another term for them is 'Micro beads', small particles are assembler parts, joining together like building blocks to make things and replicate. Carbon molecules, like a soccer ball can clump together through frequencies and assemble. Need to create a harmonic of frequencies to turn off the particles - but need to know the elements involved to do it. Hilde identified that they need a petroleum base - a carbon source to continue their function.

Opaline dry oxy capsules are pure oxygen plus water and is not a halide like chlorine, bromine, fluorine - these suBStances are very reactive in the cell structure when you have other materials growing within the body (like nano particles).

The more organic pollution that is within the body, from outside sources, the more bacteria and fungus presents with patients. Morgellons is fed by organic, carbon sources. Silicone sources may also increase growth.

3 forms of Silicone materials identified:

1) Silica - raw crystal form of silica

2) Silicon - silica and quartz mixed together (like glass or a rock)

3) Silicone - plastic gel or sphere like suSTtance (made of silica and silicon when heated to 1400 degrees)

Silica in supplements is an inert mineral and will not feed the morgs. Also silicone dioxide (sand) is inert too.

Fiber network - grows fastest in areas of least resistance. Eg in between cells where there is a supply of water, rather than through a cell. The less dense the area - the fibers will go through it.

In patients, cells were drying out because the silica particles (dust) were using the water in cells to replicate. Opaline was breaking up molecules to bring relief to cells. The oxygen helps cells to shake off the silicone suBStance and fibers. Then using far infrared and other devices, can break up the glued molecule and healing occurs.

Early research by Carnicom, Scott and Mickelson oBServed a transistor or sensor like device in the back of people's left and right arms, which is a base for the whole body. They have used technology like the Beamer 3000 and copper mesh net covering the body to intensify the frequency in the back of the arms, to help break it up.

Patients have described a tightening feeling over the scalp (like wearing a bathing cap), which is a silicone layer between the skull and skin. This was discovered by Dr Kajoo taking scalp biopsies. Patients that have this cap, if imagined, like a crown, also have a silicone shape in the middle of their forehead (pineal gland area) ?dragon shaped?, and then behind it a black fiber tubed network in the shape of a circle (not all patients have this, those that do, the shapes are the same and are physically visible. Patients that had this, had a tube that travels to the back of the brain.

To break up this scalp silicone, they have used ozone, Opaline granules or other oxygen products (without halides), on the scalp, which works.

Once the silicone starts to break up, the body starts to recognise it and will want to push it out causing side effects - fever, nausea and may get ill. All patients have ammonia in their blood also methemoglobin reductase problems, which means they couldn’t break down the ammonia or make vitamins needed.

When patients have an ammonia reaction, their heads or ears turn red, because of lacking B1 and B3. If the whole body turns red or patchy red or pink, then its carbon monoxide in the blood (which is a by product of the network breaking up). Taking Vitamin C can neutralise the carbon monoxide.

Patients say they hear a snap, crackle and pop and at the same time they get cold, like feel cold air on the skin, once on O2 treatment. Hilde traced this to a double walled nano tube breaking up. The tube is made up of carbon in middle, silicone in between and carbon monoxide.

........Part Two is on next post

[Jo]

Part two..........

The solvent toluene was found in patient's blood using advancing biological monitoring tests.

Wymore cultured Pseudomonas putida (from blue and red fibers). P putida can react with plastics to produce toluene and this may be a secondary factor. P putida is prolific in the environment now and can be found everywhere. Originally it could be found in the soil, and then it was genetically modified to gobble up petroleum based compounds, like in oil, and then make biodegradable plastics. This material is white and uses carbohydrate and starch. When Hilde extracted white matter from patients abdomen using 2 soaps, a cottage cheese type matter came out. When iodine was put on the samples, it turned black (due to presence of starch).

Kolb mentioned that lots of her patients bring in white material. Hilde has been working on the genetic angle of morgellons and found that some patients on the Opaline trial developed trigger finger, where fingers would lock up. Only patients with Viking blood line (Finish, Danish and Scandinavian) developed this condition. They used a product ?Restoric? with the main active ingredient in grape seed, also garlic, cinnamon, parsley and ?bee pollen? to treat this.

As the ?matter? becomes a crystal and goes off and does its thing, it needs amino acids to make protein. Its glyco-protein base compound is likely to be identified very soon. Its taking the body's amino acids. Hilde tested the 24 hour amino acid profiles, the majority of the individuals had half of 23 amino acids. When amino acid levels go down, production of glutathione go down, causing a gene mutation to be expressed.

Until this happened, patients of a Viking blood line would not know. People of German line, had problems metabolising carbohydrates, making it very hard to break down plastics in the stomach. So the body stores the plastics, like it does fat. It's stored in the abdomen and other pocketed areas

An early sign of morgs is a bloated abdomen. This is caused by sulphur taken from the bile duct. The liver and bile duct are working to take out toxins coming through. When there's too much to deal with, a reaction takes place to slow down transit, causing bloating. Patients may find that drinking soft drinking with phosphoric acid will make bloating happen faster and will make them sleepy. If they drink soft drinks with carbolic acid (soda), they either swell up or if this doesn’t happen, they know they are getting better.

Kolb said that many of her patients can touch a fluorescent light bulb and light it up. One patient hooked himself up to a volt meter and had 23 times the normal voltage in his body (approx 23 volts - normal body has less than 1v). Patients are finding credit card magnetic stripes are not working and cell phone batteries die.

Why? Due to the three dimensional, vacuumed layers of plastics surrounding the body's cells.

Patients have said they see the fiber network under the skin via UV light. Hilde has seen micro beads, where they make a specific pattern. One patient under UV had heart shapes on skin, another orange neon flowers on feet. Also maybe on elbows, wrists and face, a circle of dots with a line through it. Tend to appear in areas where there are bone joints.

Kolb mentioned about patients feeling that the particles are able to communicate around the body. Hilde called it a fiber optic network and monitoring of the human structure. So to get the distinctive patterns, there must be communication. Need to find frequencies to turn on or off.

Human transmission:
Kolb described patients feeling that they had been bitten when they first come down with morgs, sometimes working with soil, sand or in a hotel bed. Hilde thinks it can be a burning glass like sensation, caused by the matter being delivered into the body, or that the matter is already on the body, but is triggered by a remote source (eg microwave).

One patient got hit in the face by a bird and got morgellons and other patients with birds outside a window. Two patients in Texas matched up with chemtrail samples. The matter dust is in the environment in water and air and could be contaminating birds, which could touch a human and deliver the matter.

One patient got morgs after touching goo on trees and bushes behind their house. A number of cases have come from stuff from the sky.

They referred to Gwen Scott as making the oBServation that 26 non-morgs, had fibers, showing that this is in the environment. Everybody is exposed and it depends on chemical make up and how each body deals with foreign invaders.

50 morg patients at Millennium health care all had a pre-existing immune deficiency - Silicone breast disease, Lyme, Chemotherapy (very prone), and whole families got Morgs when living in sick building syndrome.

Hilde and Kolb do not believe morgs human to human transmission is aBSolute. It happens if people have the conditions to make it grow. Treatment should focus on detoxing heavy metals, biotoxins etc to boost the immune system.

Kolb sees 2000 patients with Silicone disease due to implants - all Caucasian, even though highest numbers of implants are in Brazil. Maybe due to Hispanics having thicker cell membranes. Tests on 190 different nationality's genetics are underway, which may help explain more soon.

Hilde mentioned that with metals in the body, the liver will send in porphyrin to try to neutralise it, causing the skin to bleach (porphyria), Then the other amino acids get screwed up and the skin gets the little red dots due to creating too much homocysteine (linked to predisposition to heart disease). Also porphyria can cause unexplained abdominal pain.

Doctor's should be able to test patients to see which amino acids they are deficient in.

Dr Kolb mentioned that the ICD9 code for Morgellons is 709.9, for doctors coding morgellons patients, regarding insurance payment for treatment.

Hilde's weBSite is being redone: http://www.staningerreport.com

Her Address: Integrative Health Systems, 415 3/4, North Larchmont Boulevard, Los Angeles, CA .Tel: 323 466 2599

[tcmgpt13]

I wonder why no mention has been made to the possible nano food connection for morgellons. Of course, I agree that whatever is going on is more than just one thing. I found this paragraph which I posted today about gelator molecules and gel fibres to be of great interest:

"On the processing side, nanotechnology may bring the manipulation of food molecules and atoms closer. This would provide the future food industry with a powerful method to design food with much more capability and precision, at lower costs and in a more sustainable way. One example: Emulsifying 'impossible' mixtures by changing the properties of contact surfaces in oil/water mixtures. Another illustration of bottom-up design are self-assembling gel fibres. This patented application by nanotech research company Biomade describes the entrapment of small molecules in a network of gelator molecules and gel fibres. In this way specific ingredients could be incorporated in the food structure; sensational foods made possible by a sensational technology."

Complete article:

Nano-foods: future or fiction? - Elsevier Food International

In addition I looked up Bioside, the company mentioned as constructing this technology and founds something of additional interest which sort of bacsk up the three dimensional layered aspect Staniger insists she sees in these fibers:

"In Nature, the function of mammalian cells in tissues and organs is preserved by the interplay between the cells and their surrounding extracellular matrix (ECM). This complex three-dimensional network of nanofibers supports cells and guides their behavior through mechanical and biological clues. Nanotechnology brings the detailed level of control over the macro- to the nanostructure displayed in nature within reach for synthetic systems."

Complete reference page:

BioMaDe

I wonder how many foods may now have these (hopefully) "harmless" gel fibers in them?

Some of the points on the back of the arm are from the Triple Warmer--of particular interest is the grain point SJ 10. The San Jiao or Triple Warmer controls the flow of fluid and grains in the body. All of interest to parasites or anything seeking fluids or food. This is a point I treated at one time with the use of a black herbal salve (not black seed or cumin btw). I had a very large lesion in that area on the left side which is the side closest to the heart. This point is also used to treat some problems associated with the heart and emotions. On the lateral part of the arm there are also large intestine points. To me this points to some sort of parasitic involvement, not just plastic or silicone materials causing symptoms.

I listened to this radio interview earlier today, but I have to wonder why, if two soaps help to remove some of this cottage cheese like substance, Staniger and Kolb not share exactly what two soaps were used, as it seems as if it could be a home treatment of some safety to help remove these substances.

I have found ozone and far infrared sauna use to be of help, and this was discussed as well by Kolb and Staniger. Have even had long hair like threads emerge afterwards. Detoxifying is important in this illness, with that I agree. Using some other things like oral chelation may also help detoxify the body.

Interestingly I have had a good test for both ammonia and porphyrins, but there was not a problem for me in either area. Of course by the time the test was done (two years after noticing symptoms), I had been using herbs, the infrared sauna, ozone, foot detox and the lymph machine so perhaps some of that was brought out early on. There are practitioners who do these sort of treatments and they are often much less expensive than going to doctors, especially if one does not have any insurance.

[2manyfibers]

Hey Jo – good stuff. A lot of my own theory on Morgellons has been that something might be impacting the body that keeps it from producing the proteins it needs (proteins are chains of amino acids and it could be the structural proteins like keratins and collagens that are effected as well as the enzymes (which are proteins) needed to make them, or some hormones which can also be proteins). If the body is inhibited from making certain proteins it simply can’t maintain itself physically as it should.

The excerpt at the bottom of this post regards GM cotton plants modified to produce hollow fibers that are designed to fill these hollow fibers with a “goo” of plastic material called PHB as part of the growth of the plant (“organic”, biodegradable plastic). Silica is needed by the body to form collagens and keratins and when PHB is produced, silica can be a main ingredient (if genes of this type have infected humans it seems possible that the body could be losing silica normally used for collagens and keratins because the silica might be used to produce this PHB – purely speculative, but it does make some sense).

Some of Mark Darrah’s photos noted hollow tubes filled with “goo” from morgellons samples which kind of parallels with this idea. Also, some testing has apparently indicated that some fibers were made of a plastic called HDPE (high-density polyethelene) that is associated with fiber optic manufacturing among other things. Both of these plastics (PHB and HDPE) can be produced by biological means as noted in this article (although I haven’t found where HDPE is being produced by transgenic plants, but who knows with what goes on now – maybe they are similar enough to be mistaken for each other though):

Bioplastic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Given the carelessness of the companies creating and cultivating some of these GM plants, and the lack of any effective oversight (and the fact that agrobacterium which can transfer genes occurs naturally and also is not always removed from transgenic plants after they have been modified) it seems quite possible to me that these genes could have infected humans. The use of these “plastic-producing” plants goes back to the mid 1990’s (they’ve were developed before then) so there has been plenty of time for these genes to “escape” and infect food crops or even humans directly if it is actually possible (and it seems very possible to me based on the transference of genes between plants and animals that is going on now). Here’s a link with an excerpt about these PHB producing plants:

http://www.rocw.raifoundation.org/bi...iotech_L36.pdf

Transgenic plants can also be used to produce plastics or other materials traditionally synthesized artificially. For example, in 1997, scientists at Agracetus in Wisconsin reported that they had produced cotton plants that were genetically altered to fill the hollow middle of their cotton fibres with a small amount of plastic polyester called polyhydroxybutyrate (PHB).

These novel plants had been developed using Biolistics. So far, the yield of PHB is not very high, but Agracetus claims that cotton fabric woven from these cotton-polyester hybrids retains 8.6 percent more heat. The scientists also plan to insert other, more complex forms of PHB, polymers from other plants, and keratin (the protein that makes up human hair) which could help the novel cotton retain heat, and keep colour.

[tcmgpt13]

I think this is a very interesting discussion of nanotechnology and foods. While I also think that GM foods may be involved in Morgellons, I also think, since Staniger is mentioning nanos, that this is one area which seems very credible for her nano theory (and not nearly as controversial) since this is being studied and some of it is probably already in foods. Some of the things I am finding are mentions of polymers, carbon nanotubes, nanolaminates (as films), polysaccharide/claynanocomposites, and nanofibers, all things which may be part of foods, medications and fabrics. How can any of us know how these are effecting us? Or what exactly is? As the Staniger/Kolb interview mentions it could even be in some of the clean ups used for oil spills. There are so many possibilities.

I have seen a narrow black tube within my own body, deep in a lesion on my leg this spring, approximately 2 inches across. I have not discussed this because frankly, when I saw it, it scared me. The lesion started with one of the parasites I saw at the very beginning of my illness (a much smaller version), frightening enough, but whatever that long strand of black was about a quarter of an inch below in the open wound/lesion the parasite opened, well that I don't know--all I can say is I saw it.

Anyway, here is the article which discusses Functional Materials in Food Nanotechnology.

2manyfibers, I hope you will chime in here, as I think this is part of what could be going on, in addition to GM foods. I know you will understand more of the science.

http://members.ift.org/NR/rdonlyres/...0/Nanotech.pdf

[2manyfibers]

Hey TCM – great posts and interesting reading. I think that GM foods and nanotech kind of go “hand in hand”, at least in some cases. Nanometer sized particles are being used as DNA carriers now (apparently instead of agrobacterium) for genetically modifying plants with foreign genes. Nanotechnology is in food now too as you pointed out, but it hasn’t been there as long as GM crops (at least as far as I can tell based on the information – the nanotech in foods is being done very quietly apparently as noted in the last link in this post, so it may have been in food longer than we know). The hollow "tubes" from either technology (and a lot more stuff) could potentially apply to morgellons I think.

I think the combination of GM foods and nanotech in the human body (or either one by itself) could be producing a lot of things that scientists, doctors or anyone else really have no understanding or concept of. Both of the end results of these “technologies” impact many of the same nutrients that the human body uses normally when they enter the human body (or plants as the case may be) – things like zinc, magnesium, copper, sulfur, amino acids, etc. (basically things that make up the human extracellular matrix (ECM) as you noted in a previous post on this thread). The skin symptoms of Morgellons are manifested in the ECM which is basically what makes up the tissue in the human body. And it seems quite possible to me that these “bits” of foreign DNA and other foreign substances could wreak all kinds of havoc on the natural processes of the human body as well as the skin.

I feel pretty certain that none of the people doing this are by any means experts on the molecular structure of the human body (and even if they were no one really understands it very deeply when all things are considered). I'm sure that most are people that are highly trained on very narrow specific areas of biology and they have little if any understanding about how these things may truly impact the human body. On another note (but maybe relevant to nanotech too), some GM crops are being developed with keratin and collagen genes and could potentially have entered the food supply (very similar to the same collagen and keratin genes that are responsible for creating the physical structure of the human body). With both of these technologies permeating the food supply, I think there are all kinds of valid possibilities for unknown and unexpected problems to result in the human body at a genetic / molecular level – the body may not be able to use this foreign genetic material properly, but may be trying to (which might explain a lot).

One thing about the nanotechnology is that it appears to be even less regulated and monitored than GMOs (which pretty much means that NOBODY is watching the farm - and I thought the GMO stuff was poorly regulated and monitored). While all this technology is pretty amazing, I am more than certain that the people working on this are far from perfect and that there have been and will be many more “mistakes” made in understanding and controlling these "technologies". These people simply have no true idea of the impact of all of this on human health, especially the combined effect (and the regulatory agencies are completely failing to protect public health in regard to these technologies – they don’t even require any testing on most of this stuff before it enters the food supply)! It only takes one idiot or careless person to make a mistake of monumental proportions with these technologies and the results could potentially be catastrophic (and they don't seem to have any foresight of the potential for damage these technologies could have simply from nature being what it is - like cross pollenization, cross contamination from processing machinery, etc.). And we're talking about something that you need an electron microscope to even see, which makes me even less comfortable that any of these people truly know what is going on with these technologies and how they might impact health! How many thousands of cases are there where "scientists" told us that something was impossible, and then we find out that they were wrong?

This link has some pretty good overall information on nanotech in foods and how it might be used to “further the effectiveness” of the GM food “agents” that are already in our food now (with an excerpt just below it – I think you linked to the same site in another thread on how “yummy” our food will be with nanotech – maybe “furthering the effectiveness” is code for killing us quicker with more unregulated experimentation):

Nano-foods: future or fiction? - Elsevier Food International

The next step will be to predict, control and improve the agricultural production. Consequently, the combination of DNA-techniques and nanotechnology may offer opportunities. What to think of new nutrition-delivery systems using molecular robotics? These so-called nanoscale transportation vehicles could carry active agents, namely those that resulted from DNA-controlled crop production, more precisely and efficiently to the human cells and parts where they are required.


The next link discusses how nanotechnology may be used to improve food “security”, but I think it gives a pretty good overview of some of the biological aspects of nanotech in foods. Here’s the link with an excerpt below it – the excerpt identifies the sizes of nano, DNA and proteins and discusses how nanotechnology can be used to manipulate DNA in organisms:

http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/jan102008/22.pdf

Recently, nanotechnology has been attracting increased attention worldwide. Drexler2 first coined the term ‘nanotechnology’ in 1981. It encompasses research and applications of assembling atoms and molecules into desired new systems, on atom-by-atom or molecule-by-molecule basis, incorporating specific features, with one or more critical dimensions measuring between 0.1 and ~100 nm (1 nm = 10–9 m). By comparison, a typical strand of DNA is only 2 nm wide and proteins are 1–20 nm in size.

By comparison, a typical strand of DNA is only 2 nm wide and proteins are 1–20 nm in size. Nanotechnology involves two crucial devices: the nanocomputer, which is a molecular machine capable of executing a string of instructions, and the nanoassembler, a device at the atomic level, which contains a nanocomputer in its core, and can precisely arrange atoms on an atom-by-atom basis and manufacture any desired form of molecules, as Atomic Force Microscopy uses electric fields to ‘push’ atoms into position. Development of the nano-assembler technology is quite similar to that of recombinant DNA technology, in which in every cell, the ribosomes copy DNA into RNA, and feed this RNA into the ribosomes, like many instructions being fed into a computer, and then gather the correct amino acids to create the proteins, which make up the physical nature.


The next link has some good overall information including a chart showing how nanotechnology is / will be used in the food chain from genetically modifying plants to packaging:

Nanotechnology food coming to a fridge near you


I really think the federal regulatory agencies (FDA, USDA, EPA, etc.) that are supposed to be protecting the food supply and insuring that it is safe are deliberately refusing to do what is obviously their duty – either out of incompetence or corruption or both. These agencies are truly allowing these companies to experiment with every man woman and child as the “lab rats” and no one really even has a basic understanding of how these things may impact our health, especially in the long term (and even worse, they don’t even seem to have any concern about public health as long as they can all make a buck!) Being a believer in God, I personally can’t see where He could be too pleased with all of these people pretending they are Him, especially being motivated by pure greed as they appear to be. I think this technology has exceeded the intelligence of the people involved and they truly have no idea (or concern) of what they are doing from an overall perspective in the grand scheme of life and health – they’re just focused on beating each other to the pot of gold they see as the ultimate goal with no regard for the potentially irreparable damage of what they are doing.

I hope I don't hurt myself trying to climb down off my soapbox now - I don't remember it being this high when I climbed up here.

[Jo]

Yo MJ, all

A few people have mentioned smelling ammonia on them, which may make sense, if Hilde's found it in blood. I havent checked out why amLactin could bring it on for you MJ.

Thought I'd mention that a few people are trying Opaline, heres the thread:
Opaline

I'm gonna give it a whirl - decided yesterday.

There were a few gems in that radio show. I could relate to alot of it, including the bloated abdomin as an early sign.

Glad you're ok MJ, we missed ya

Jo xxx