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[Janice]

Who are you...the board monitor? I am off for the next few days. The floor is all yours sister. Janice

[gigi22]

Hi again Janice..
Just want to clarify some things.. I know what you are saying about the mold/fungus..but I did not have constant exposure in my environment. I had an exposure that would NOT have affected a NORMAL functioning person

My husband was exposed to the VERY same things I was.. but I became a mold factory, and he stayed perfectly healthy. My pet is also in perfect health.

I don't think mold can explain EVERYTHING that is happening to us. Heck, I do buy into that it can be PART of the whole thing, but I truly believe it is opportunistic for MOST people..

I fixed the mold situation in my showerhead.. and I must say I am greatly improved, but not 100% well. I am still trying to get to the bottom of why my immune system went to hell. I just don't think it correct to say that everyone has the same situation like leaky plumbing, because I just don't believe that is the case.

Originally Posted by Janice

I know what you are trying to say to me, but once you resolved the different fungus / mold issues you became well.
I know every one is different , but we are on this morgellons board because we feel we have the same freeky thing happening to us.
It all most as though we have talked our selves into morgellons, that it just has to be more than leaky plumbing.


I have hep-c, I guess every one here has a medical issue... that just the common base line. I believe every one on this board that is suffering has a water problem in their home, or where ever they spend the most time. It may be standing water, a leaky pipe, mold ( be it toxic or non toxic), moisture, dark damp places any thing along those lines. Some thing is going unchecked.

Have you read any of the symtoms of mold exposure? Reads just like a page of complaints from morgellons victim. Then you add the moisture/ mold loving bugs, esspecially the spring tails ,who like to lay their eggs in your body... and there you have it. The recipe for morgellons!
It is absolutley the only thing that makes any rational sense.

You seem to be doing quite well with your health, and god bless you for that! Thank you, Janice

[Bee]

I have not been exposed to indoor mold. I may have breathed mold spores working outside.

When I talked to a homeopathic dr on the phone, I told her about all the debris coming from my pores. She said " You better do a Liver Cleanse your Filter is clogged." I couldn't drink the whole thing. She said do it every month for 3 months.
I opted for Milk Thistle instead.I should try ito drink the potion again.
It makes sense.

[Venetia]

I have to jump in here about the Thieves oil.

Last summer, a relative brought a kit to my daughter for my grandson. He has Leukemia (had Lyme- now he has Leukemia). No one used the kit for months.

Thankfully, the relative was persistent. She took me to a seminar - Young Living. During the
3 hours we were in the room, there were diffusers running with the Thieves oil in them. It was
pleasant but I sure didn't feel any different. Relaxed maybe? OTH, the room was huge 60-70' x 50'. It is doubtful that people in the rear of the room felt (or could smell) the oils.

The video by Dr Close pointed out the obvious. That mold causes health issues of various types ranging from mild to severe. No news to me because I had spent a considerable amount of time
reading various mold boards.

Dr Close gave examples of 3 buildings that he 're mediated' with a diffuser & Thieves oil. The air was tested before and after and he charted the results. He brought the mold levels (various types) down to -0- or near -0- in days.

The link that was posted explains in part:

Thieves Essential Oil Research on Mold | Aromatherapy Living with Young Living Essential Oils

So I bought an additional kit in order to get enough oil to use at my house and my daughters'. I started using it and have never stopped. It's been months and if I'm at home, the diffuser is on
dispensing Thieves oil. My daughter only uses her machine for about 1 hour per day. The men at her house are not as enthused about the aroma as I am....

Still, they have been well all winter. Thank the Good Lord for that!

I washed my walls with the Thieves oil household cleaner and I use Thieves hand cleanser and several other products with the oils in them.

I don't see those little white Morgellons floaties in the house anymore. Could be they will be back- but as for now- I'm floatie-free. And I can breathe through my nose again. It's been years!

Because my grandson is prone to pneumonia due to the Chemo, we have to take every precaution (re: mold). No one in the family got flu this year. I didn't even have my yearly bout of sinus issues. No colds either. We keep the door knobs, banisters and faucets wiped with the Thieves cleaner at their house, just in case.

I can not say enough about the Thieves oils. Wonderful products. Best money I ever spent.

I became a distributor in order to get the products for less $$$ but do not care to sell them. I was in multi-level years ago and don't care to do that again. But as for the oils- they work.

Someone posted a recipe for the Thieves in a previous post, which is what I use if I run out.

I also use the clove oil on my bod. Love the smell. I use a carrot oil as a carrier. You could also use olive oil or jojoba. That I've been doing for years and have no lesions (but for 3 scalp cysts).

~V~

[Baraka Obam]

How does anyone know they have problems that stem from mold, are there tests for this and have ya'll been tested.

[fracty]

That is very interesting about the Theives Oil Venetia.

Would you mind posting a link that shows the type of diffuser we should get. I was looking at some (super expensive) ones at the store the other day. But I would hate to get the wrong one. I did not love that is has to be plugged in all the time (more EMF). But I think it would be great if it can help purify the air.

A holistic doctor I used to see (passed away now ) used to mix something up for me to put out on a tray every day (anti-microbial).

I don't think I have mold here, but anything to keep things safer. I see planes almost every day spraying SOMETHING here where I live. They did it in Santa Monica. They did it in OC. And now I see them doing it here every day almost. I am worried about the air quality. I think we are all toxic and need to get clean to get well. Let me know if you don't mind which diffusers you think are the best and the cheapest. thanks!

[tcmgpt13]

Venetia, could you post anything about any research done on Thieves Oil, especially research which has been done by those who do not have a vested interest in selling it and which has been peer reviewed? I still fail to find any good research done on this product. The link you posted has research, but the research was conducted about mold's connection to depression. More research will have to be done to see if mold is a direct cause. Personally I think research will find that there is more than just mold involved in symptoms of depression.

Baraka has a good question about finding out if mold is an issue in a home. I am assuming nearly everyone would have some mold as that is found in dust everywhere. I know that frequently aspergillus is found in old books. Mold would be more problematic for those who have mold allergies as even small levels could be an issue. There are kits a person can order to test mold levels in rooms, but that will not reveal the hidden mold problems in walls. It's too bad that there is no effective and safe tenting method to treat home for molds the way homes are treated for termites. I often wonder how many homes have mold in attic insulation due to a leaking roof. The shingles are replaced but you never hear about inspection or replacement (if needed) of the insulation.

I am not sure how I have not had colds/flu for over four years--probably the internal use of herbs for Morgs and even sometimes the medication for viral infections kept infections away. Also I have learned to treat any potential cold symptoms immediately with Chinese herbs meant to ward off colds/flu. I have never tried the use of oils in the air, but it might be something to consider, though I don't think that a diffuser would be enough to correct damp mold in walls.

Testimonials are interesting, especially V's personal experiences, but it would be good to have more than testimonials backing claims for Thieves Oil's effectiveness on mold. I found some mention of "research" done at the University of Manchester claiming several essential oils were effective against MRSA, but no mention of what oils or where the research is discussed in scientific circles. Mention of the study seems to have been a press release, and it also seems preliminary as far as testing as it seems to be a small study. This sort of discussion leaves much to be desired as far as knowing how effective these natural products truly are. A lot of information seems to be coming out of a place called Weber State U in Ogden, Utah but I think Gary Young, owner of Young Living Oils, is connected to that somehow. There is never any mention of abstracts or any articles that I can find which have been published on Thieves Oil. So...

V, sorry to hear that your grandson has leukemia. Hopefully down the road he will recover. Praying this will be so.

[Janice]

Good morning! Not a bite! No feeling of swarming! Yippee!!!!

For those of use that are at the end of the rope, ya gota at least get rid of the bugs (probably springtails) They are behind walls, bathtubs, crawl spaces. Yes, you will probably have to drill holes. Get a professional, do it your self, what ever your comfortable with. If you use a professional don't let them just spray stuff around on the outside of your walls and base boards, that just isn't going to get it.
Be proactive!
Use what ever kind of organic or non organic stuff you choose. Just make sure it will kill spring tails, thrips, bitting gnats. I also suggest you leave your home for a couple of days, because they are going to swarm looking for a new place to hide, but they will die.

Yes, the thieves oil will keep them away from your immediate area but ya gotta get the nest.


Do you have a pool, koi pond, any kind of still water out side? Do not forget to use bug spray out side. ( once again organic or not). Don't forget to spray any mulched areas and ground.


Yes, there is a hidden issue left to deal with and that involves moisture/ water/dampness/mold. Use what ever process you feal comfortable with to remedy this issue. Have some one come by to do a leak detection in your home. Air quality test so on and so forth.

And yes... buy your self a nebulizer or diffuser and use some thieves oil.

I baught my nebulizer at diffuserworld.com. . It was $129.00. It was just my personal preference. It is just real easy to use. There are many different prices. You can buy them on line at many different sites. I guess you can even get them on ebay. They will be cheaper on line as apposed to a store of your doctors office.

We can fight this thing together and win!

( if you have been reading my previous post from this thread, my choices are mine and I can live with this... and contrary to some posters beliefs, this is a free country )

[Venetia]

Baraka,

You can get mold testing kits at Home Depot or Lowes. The kits are under $10.00 then there
instructions on the package as to where you send them for results. That is another $30.00.

Once you know IF you have mold and what types of mold, then you can address your mold issues.

On a mold board, an expert stated that if you see mold, you have a mold issue- no test needed.

I had several water issues in my basement over the years. The hot water tank
exploded (story for another day) and there was water all over the floor when I got home from
work. The water climbed up the drywall (inside) and I didn't see mold for a few months.

When I started to 'treat' the mold, I used a recipe I found online, taking Barbasol (the shaving cream) and adding Dawn dish liquid and bleach to it and applied it to the drywall. I let it dry
for a day or so and then rinsed.

It appeared as if I got all the mold but I didn't.

I have since learned that bleach disperses the spores into the air (once it dries). Makes
the problem worse, unless you rinse off ALL the bleach.

Better to use white vinegar. How To Kill Mold With Vinegar (Lifestyle & Home: Clean Green)

How to Clean Mold

Excerpt:

When most people are learning how to clean mold, they are instructed to use chlorine bleach. Don’t do it! Bleach is highly caustic and it actually doesn’t kill mold. If mixed with the wrong stuff, it can produce toxic – even deadly - fumes. In my opinion, you’d do better simply licking the mold away. Vinegar kills mold, bacteria, germs, and also disinfects. Simply add distilled white vinegar to a spray bottle, undiluted. Another option is tea tree oil, which is all four horsemen of the Apocalypse to mold, but it is far more expensive. If you can swing it, mix three teaspoons to about three cups of water.

end excerpt

I did everything wrong back then, using bleach. Now the basement gets white vinegar on the floors and walls. Thieves Household cleaner upstairs.

Also, I had to throw away truck loads of books,paper work and clothing (stored in the basement). They say that if the spores get into paper then it is very difficult to remove.
Better safe than sorry?

My biggest issue-books. I had hundreds in my basement that had to be pitched. That was painful.

Eventally, I had to have the drywall removed - 1/2 way up the wall. I believe I should have all of it taken out- could be hidden mold behind it? I'm banking on the Thieves oil to kill the hidden mold
in the meantime.

Drywall is food for mold and the problem is you may not see the mold- as in my case, it may be
on the other side (inside) of the wall- growing, unseen.

The above is why I needed the diffuser and have found it effective.

In the past, I would find the white 'M' floaties all over the house. With using the diffuser and
washing upstairs with the Thieves and basement with white vinegar I am now 'floatie-free'.

It is a lot of work- washing everything but it's worth it. I believe you have to do both the
cleaning of hard surfaces and diffuse the oils in the same time-frame. Otherwise, it is not as effective (just one or the other).

More later....

~V~

[Venetia]

Fracty,

I was using a ceramic diffuser with the Thieves oil until I purchased one from YL:

Young Living | Essential Oil Diffuser | Well & Jet | Bronze


Better picture here:

Essential Oil Diffuser by Young Living Essential Oils - 1 Unit

You get the above for 1/2 price (YL) if you are a distributor.

My opinion is that if you have a good plug-in type diffuser that is all you need to disperse
the oils.

I did see a big difference going from the little ceramic model to the YL type.

The type that you want, where ever you buy it, would be one that disperses without heating the oils. They claim that the oil is less beneficial when heated:

Diffusers


Excerpt:

Diffused oils alter the structure of molecules that create odors, rather than just masking them. Diffusing oils increases oxygen availability by producing negative ions and releasing natural ozone. Many essential oils such as lemongrass, orange, grapefruit, Eucalyptus globulus, melaleucas (commonly known as tea tree), lavender, frankincense, and lemon, along with essential oil blends (Purification and Thieves), are extremely effective for eliminating and destroying airborne germs and bacteria. In addition, many of the essential oils detoxify harmful substances out of your body when they enter through your olfactory system - - - in the created therapeutic air you are breathing!

A cold-air diffuser is designed to atomize a micro-fine mist of essential oils into the air, where they can remain suspended for several hours. Unlike aroma lamps or candles, a diffuser disperses essential oils without heating or burning, which can render the oil therapeutically less beneficial and even create toxic compounds. Burned oils may become carcinogenic.

end excerpt

So, it would seem that I should not have been using the ceramic diffuser with the candle.

~V~