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Old January 7th, 2010, 02:25 AM
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I am not posting this as a "theory" per se. I just needed to find a spot to post some info brought up in the "How to Get Rid of the Fibers" thread and I did not want to take that thread off topic.

So, Kritters in answer to your question, and anyone elseinterested, I am going to post just one excerpt from something I was recently reading.

As I had mentioned in the other thread, when I was first researching this illness I noticed the pics matched but I kept ruling out M because the description at that time said it was a skin D/O. I knew I had parasites along w some type of systemic infection.

My research came across all the experiments being done w insects, cotton, etc. So, here is one of interest: (see next post)
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Old January 7th, 2010, 02:53 AM
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Now, I DO NOT think this specific experiment is the cause of M... or even a contributing etiology. BUT.. it is an interesting example of the many, many similar things being done (and released into the environment). I'm only posting this one right now because I happened to have it open, lol, and Kritters had just asked about it.

(NOTE: I think the GM changes done to the insects, coupled w a genetic predisposition and environmental toxins at some point either through a "tipping point" or a lethal combo of chemical/organisms cause the M. I believe every single one of us was bit w a spider/tick/etc. vector that in some way is a part-cause of the illness.)

But here is a lovely excerpt for your dreaming pleasure everyone:

FROM THE ARTICLE "Self Assembly of Genetically Engineered Spider Silk fiber in Insect Cells"

“Since spiders and insects are both arthropods and since their genomes are more closely related to each other than to those creatures with which prior experiments were conducted, we felt that we would be able to produce spider fibers using these insects,” said Dr. Gat. “For this purpose, we developed a methodology for producing great quantities of the appropriate proteins, which is based on infecting the insect cells with the genetically engineered virus, in order to produce the fiber.”

After the engineered viruses infected the insect cells, the cells began producing the proteins, and subsequently “spider” fibers spontaneously formed in them. However, – unlike in spiders – these laboratory-produced fibers were made up only of the ADF-4 protein, while the ADF-3 protein remained dissolved. Nevertheless, these fibers were identical in their diameter to that of real spider fiber and were found to be equal to -- and in certain aspects even exceed -- the chemical resistance quality of the spider-created fiber.


To reiterate, I am NOT saying this specific experiment caused the M.. and I am certainly not saying we are growing spider webs (although I'll admit I considered it, lol), I am just saying this is A TYPE of the things being done. Nature is being altered and it is stunningly naive to think it will not have an effect at some point.

NOTE: I believe this specific experiment was only done on cultured cells, BUT
1. it's just as likely Gat and his team might have tried it in a live organism/s at some point, either purposely or accidentally, and
2. when one scientist has an idea/inspiration you can almost guarantee a billion others have the same idea and are working on the same thing. I bet there is at least one caterpillar out there walking around producing fibers.

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Old January 7th, 2010, 02:58 AM
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Oops! I forgot to give credit.
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(This work was done back in 2004 and earlier, so you can imagine what has been done since that time.)

Now stay tuned for subsequent installments when you will see that (not this one as far as I know but) the "critters" were let loose into the environment - in some cases on accident and in some cases on purpose.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 05:21 AM
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Genetically inducing organisms or finding ways to induce fiber growth isFrom a HUGE MONEY MAKER. Spiders create the strongest fiber (I think) known to man. What is it.. a 1" web strand would stop a 747... something like that.

Companies, scientists, governments are constantly researching ways to produce strong fibers without having to use the spiders. Silk worms do not produce something strong enough. Spiders do not want to cooperate. So they have to use other organisms.

Here scientist crossed mammalian cells w spider DNA to try to get those fibers (but again, I don't think this is ALL that is going on - I think the btCotton and related nematodes are also connected. There were lots of experiments done where DNA was made to invade and merge w another).

From,
"In Experiment, Mammal Cells Produce Silk Like a Spider's"

In an experiment that could lead to mass production of strong, lightweight silk, scientists at a Canadian biotechnology company and a United States Army research center have spliced spider genes into cells from cows and hamsters and induced the cells to churn out silk. The silk, grown in tissue cultures, has been spun into threads that are comparable to those produced by spiders.


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ScienceDirect - Tissue and Cell : Hexagonal columnar liquid crystal in the cells secreting spider silk

I had this in my saved files. Caught my eye because of the hexagonal shape. I know I have more on where you are headed just have to find how I saved it lol.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 10:27 AM
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Fracty,

Thanks so much for information. You have a very nice and humble way of putting great stuff out here!

While this might not be the CAUSE of Morgellons per se, it could have so many implications. My mind is spinning (not that it's going anywhere fast anyway...lol)

Cindy...you need a password for your link?

I just get so excited when there is such great team effort on any piece of the puzzle.

xoKritts

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Old January 7th, 2010, 11:08 AM
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Yeah! Sure! We can trust MONSTER-SANTO to know what they're doing....Monsanto's "Roundup Ready" Cotton Bombs in the USA by Ronnie Cummins - Rural America / In Motion Magazine
in the U.S., as well as globally, a pattern of agricultural biotech failures seems to be emerging. Although the gene engineers like to claim that genetic engineering is an "exact science," field results tell a different story. Monsanto last April was forced to recall its entire crop (60,000 bags of seed, enough to plant up to 750,000 acres) of genetically engineered "Roundup Ready" rapeseed in Canada because of unexplained errors in its genetic engineering process. Similarly in 1994-96 Monsanto/Calgene's "Flavr Savr" Tomato suffered from "technological glitches" that--combined with consumer opposition--finally caused Calgene to pull the "Flavr Savr" tomato off the market in 1996. And of course continuing controversy over Monsanto's recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone (rBGH or rBST) has prevented the company from getting approval for rBGH in any other industrialized country other than the US. Even in the U.S., according to informed sources, fewer than 4% of all U.S. dairy cows are currently being injected with the drug every two weeks. Compounding Monsanto's problems, the Codex Alimentarius, the global food standards setting body for the WTO, has recently refused to certify that rBGH is safe for cows and humans.
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While this might not be the CAUSE of Morgellons per se, it could have so many implications.
Yes!!! I'm just referring to the IMPLICATIONS here. It shows the KINDS of things being done.

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My mind is spinning (not that it's going anywhere fast anyway...lol)
lol...well, NO SPINNING!!! Not for any of us!!! (mantra= I will NOT spin webs! I will NOT spin webs! lol)

I am about to read the next comment, but yes, I have been following Monsanto (Our Saint, kind of like the "Angels" if you ever used to watch NGE Neon Genesis Evangeleon). I would be stunned if they do not at least have one toe in the M cauldron.
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