Theories and Spectulations

[Franky]

I put up this board because a lot of people have ideas and theories about morgellons and sent them to me. I figured it be a good idea to have a central place where people can share their ideas on how Morgs was created and spread. Basicly if you have any grand theory, dont be afraid to post it here.

[die_trying]

that's really cool of you franky, and i'm glad i found this place. thank you. theories, i got some, wild all...the lab one, cause this don't look natural, from what wymore is saying. this is truly incongrous. and it's a bad *** too.the structure of it is so complex, and deadly, it's properties are bizzare, compared to anything. it totally eludes me, i see tantilizing connections, but dont know what they mean. it has the look of special engineering to me. i notice there are common threads in us, but i see also many variants, and that seems to mean something.the incubation time and the evolution thereof, is very strange. i think my first symptom was 20 yrs ago, who knows. i was exposed to some mean toxic waste water for years as a child. my sister has a bad case of fibermyalgia. but no morgs. i just wonder what is the common thread with us? and why dont more people have it if its contagious?

[Franky]

Originally Posted by die_trying

that's really cool of you franky, and i'm glad i found this place. thank you. theories, i got some, wild all...the lab one, cause this don't look natural, from what wymore is saying. this is truly incongrous. and it's a bad *** too.the structure of it is so complex, and deadly, it's properties are bizzare, compared to anything. it totally eludes me, i see tantilizing connections, but dont know what they mean. it has the look of special engineering to me. i notice there are common threads in us, but i see also many variants, and that seems to mean something.the incubation time and the evolution thereof, is very strange. i think my first symptom was 20 yrs ago, who knows. i was exposed to some mean toxic waste water for years as a child. my sister has a bad case of fibermyalgia. but no morgs. i just wonder what is the common thread with us? and why dont more people have it if its contagious?

Well go on and start a new thread (post) on one.

[oscar]

You got me there bubba! I would have figured you would of thought of it as a more natural cause. The only reason i dont think its man-made is because supposely they have info on morgellons like disease going back a very long time. Way before any modern man made possiblites. But who knows it can be a combination of many factors blending in. ???

[jano]

I definitely think it is something environmentally altered. When they did a test b in the desert - some where out West years and years ago, there was fallout of the residual matter produced by it. My Dad's family lived along the Minnesota and South Dakota border where it is believed that some of that fallout went. Within my Dad's family, he had 3 brothers. My Grandfather had colon cancer, my Grandmother had breast cancer, ovarian cancer and eventually lymphoma, my one uncle had a cancerous brain tumor, my father had colon cancer and later died of lymphoma and my two living uncles have prostrate cancer. I am the oldest grandchild and I had kidney cancer. I know other people from a 50 mile radius of that area and there are so many who have had or have cancer. Even today, they have found frogs in the surrounding area that are deformed, born without legs, etc. .

When you think of pesitcides, or dumping chemicals in the past that they didn't think mattered, I do belive this is an abnormality of nature. Look at Lyme's disease, had anyone had that before? I don't know. I do agree that this is most likely contagious only to those who have a weak immune system. No other person in my familly has this nor have any of my friends contracted it but they have all been healthy through the years (with the exception of the two uncles mentioned above - but we don't see them).

[cd3girls]

I am new to this website, but having lived with it for 5 years - I have a humble opinion
I believe it is a living parasite (not a fiber or manmade material). I have the fibers, and I see them, just not sure what part of the affliction they represent (at one point I thought they may be variations of our original hair follicles that have been mutated by the presense or excretions of these critters). This opinion is based on a few observations:

1. When the "worm-like" part is pulled out, the hole that is left bleeds profusely (similiar to the removal of a tick)
2. I have been applying highly concentrated salt water to the open wound area, with pretty great results. the salt either
kills them, or makes the host site "unlivable" for them. If they can be killed - it would make sense to deduce that they are
alive to begin with. I don't buy into the silica-base theories.
3. Did any other member ever do a science test in school (ages ago for me but I remember well) where you sprinkle salt
on a worm? Our class did that to show the absorption of the salt across the mucous membrane. They swelled up - and
then it eventually killed the worm. I see similarities to the response of whatever is on my face. I alternate salt water with regular water, and what gets extracted is more "fat", clear white (fibers are embedded in the middle) than prior to applying salt.

what is scary is the similarity of the stories. In each one, the reaction (I call it denial) of the DR's has been frightengly familiar. I have been to the "experts" at both the UCONN and Yale dermatology depts (the full 12 member review board), in addition to several other private practitioners. All with no luck. I wish it were only ignorance on their part, although I suspect its more likely arrogance. If they don't know about it, then it must not exist. Seems that only an epidemic within the dermatologists community will motivate them to realize that it is not in our heads! I wish all of you the best!

[Franky]

Originally Posted by cd3girls

I am new to this website, but having lived with it for 5 years - I have a humble opinion
I believe it is a living parasite (not a fiber or manmade material). I have the fibers, and I see them, just not sure what part of the affliction they represent (at one point I thought they may be variations of our original hair follicles that have been mutated by the presense or excretions of these critters). This opinion is based on a few observations:

1. When the "worm-like" part is pulled out, the hole that is left bleeds profusely (similiar to the removal of a tick)
2. I have been applying highly concentrated salt water to the open wound area, with pretty great results. the salt either
kills them, or makes the host site "unlivable" for them. If they can be killed - it would make sense to deduce that they are
alive to begin with. I don't buy into the silica-base theories.
3. Did any other member ever do a science test in school (ages ago for me but I remember well) where you sprinkle salt
on a worm? Our class did that to show the absorption of the salt across the mucous membrane. They swelled up - and
then it eventually killed the worm. I see similarities to the response of whatever is on my face. I alternate salt water with regular water, and what gets extracted is more "fat", clear white (fibers are embedded in the middle) than prior to applying salt.

what is scary is the similarity of the stories. In each one, the reaction (I call it denial) of the DR's has been frightengly familiar. I have been to the "experts" at both the UCONN and Yale dermatology depts (the full 12 member review board), in addition to several other private practitioners. All with no luck. I wish it were only ignorance on their part, although I suspect its more likely arrogance. If they don't know about it, then it must not exist. Seems that only an epidemic within the dermatologists community will motivate them to realize that it is not in our heads! I wish all of you the best!

Hi cd3girls and welcome to the forums! Very good post. 5 years uhh, wow. It seems so many people seem to have it for years but now are starting to figure it out. I like your idea and many people across the net have come to the same conclusions as you. You are not alone for sure. Your quote here "Seems that only an epidemic within the dermatologists community will motivate them to realize that it is not in our heads!" is very sad and true.

[Franky]

Originally Posted by amindincolorado

just had to say frany nice pic

[Dreamkatcher61]

Hiya.

As I am just a new member, I havent had a chance to read all of your posts yet, but from the ones I have read, Id like to offer some suggestions......* *(I will try to find information on my system to back-up what Im thinking, but Im having severe problems with my ISP, bad connections, missing info, etc, so please excuse me if it takes time).
From information Ive read in the past, I think that Morgellons could be caused from a variety of causes.* *I would hazard a guess that its either parasitic or toxic.* *I cant verify that at this precise moment, but I will get the articles I read which make me think that.
If it is parasitic, there is a free e-book called The Cure for all Illness by a lady called Hulda Clark.* *This is a 66 page long book, but she goes into all the reasons why she thinks all illnesses are parasitic or toxic.* I will get the link for you.* *She also has a machine which works on the positive/negative polarity of humans/parasites, which puts a small electric current through your bloodstream which kills the parasites.* *
Im widowed, and as such I couldnt afford this machine, but Don Croft has made a simpler version of it, which straps to your foot, hand, whatever, and does a similar job.* *I bought one of these machines in March 2005, when I was crippled with pains from my back injuries, and within a month or so, I was mobile again.* *I occasionally have pain, but I use the zapper every night on my foot, and it makes life manageable.* *I also have cancer, and I have refused medical treatment, and rely on my zapper, and also take Chlorella and Spirulina (which are said to get rid of heavy metals from your system), & I am definitely no worse and improving daily.* *I was told if I didnt have op by October last year I wouldnt see Xmas 2005 !!* Its now 13 months later.* *Don Croft's site is www.worldwithoutparasites.com.* *Please read what he says, and make your own mind up.
The Hulda Clark e-book is on http://www.drloyd.com/cure.pdf.
I also suspect that chemtrails have a lot to do with the viruses, etc. which are going the rounds here in the UK, as well as other countries.* *I will be posting quite a bit of information on these as well, and hope I dont sicken you......* *there's a lot of information to be found about them.* *They are definitely causing big problems throughout the world.* *
I hope I havent bored you already, but Im determined that if there is information out there which can help any one of us, it should be shared. So many people dig their heads into the sand and dont want to know.
Maggie x

[Dreamkatcher61]

I found this today whilst looking through my files.* *Depleted Uranium from Iraq has been picked up in the UK as long ago as 2003.* *This causes radioactivity and mutations.* *I am posting this as an idea of what could be happening to all.* *The UK is also guilty of this too. Maggie

AMERICA'S GREATEST CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY / MILITARY USE OF DU



Dr. Allen Roland hits the proverbial bulls eye once again in an unflinching
analysis of the disastrous fire and explosive destruction of the huge Ammo
Dump in Southern Baghdad: Forward Camp Falcon. A Billion Dollars worth of
American manufactured machined uranium fashioned into shells, missiles and bs
blew the ammo dump to pieces. October 10, 2006

Bob Nichols Project Censored Award Winning Writer

Allen L Roland, Ph.D.

AMERICA'S GREATEST CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY / MILITARY USE OF DU

" By illegally using hundreds of tons of depleted uranium (DU) against Iraq
~ Britain and America have gravely endangered not only the Iraqis but the
whole world: " Dr. Chris Busby, the British radiation expert and UK
representative on the European Committee on Radiation Risk .

I originally posted this on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 but with the recent
October forward Camp Falcon DU explosions ~ it is now even more pertinent.

The game is up for Bush , Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and the Republicans ~ we
have not only fought an illegal war and occupation but we have endangered the
whole world in the process.

Reporter James Denver, who writes and broadcasts internationally on science
and technology, shares the terrible legacy of DU ( Depleted Uranium ) as well
as the vital evidence and the enormous harm done by the government of the
United States and Great Britian ~ who are both still officially in denial.

Excerpt: " Britain and America not only used DU in this year's Iraq war,
they dramatically increased its use-from a minimum of 320 tons in the previous
war to at minimum of 1500 tons in this one. And this time the use of DU wasn't
limited to anti-tank weapons-as it had largely been in the previous Gulf
war-but was extended to the guided missiles, large bunker busters and big
2000-pound bs used in Iraq's cities .... In 1997, while citing experiments, by
others, in which 84 percent of dogs exposed to inhaled uranium died of cancer
of the lungs, Dr. Asaf Durakovic, then Professor of Radiology and Nuclear
Medicine at Georgetown University in Washington was quoted as saying, 'The [US
government's] Veterans Administration asked me to lie about the risks of
incorporating depleted uranium in the human body.' He concluded, 'uranium does
cause cancer, uranium does cause mutation, and uranium does kill. If we continue
with the irresponsible contamination of the biosphere, and denial of the fact
that human life is endangered by the deadly isotope uranium, then we are
doing disservice to ourselves, disservice to the truth, disservice to God and to
all generations who follow.' "

Allen L Roland _http://blogs. salon.com/ 0002255/2006/ 10/31.html_
(http://blogs. salon.com/ 0002255/2006/ 10/31.html) Horror Of US Depleted Uranium In Iraq
Threatens World

American Use Of DU is "A crime against humanity which may, in the eyes of
historians, rank with the worst atrocities of all time." US Iraq Military Vets
"are on DU death row, waiting to die."

By James Denver
4-29-05

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"I'm horrified. The people out there - the Iraqis, the media and the troops
- risk the most appalling ill health. And the radiation from depleted uranium
can travel literally anywhere. It's going to destroy the lives of thousands
of children, all over the world. We all know how far radiation can travel.
Radiation from Chernobyl reached Wales and in Britain you sometimes get red dust
from the Sahara on your car."

The speaker is not some alarmist doom-sayer. He is Dr. Chris Busby, the
British radiation expert, Fellow of the University of Liverpool in the Faculty of
Medicine and UK representative on the European Committee on Radiation Risk,
talking about the best-kept secret of this war: the fact that, by illegally
using hundreds of tons of depleted uranium (DU) against Iraq ~ Britain and
America have gravely endangered not only the Iraqis but the whole world.

For these weapons have released deadly, carcinogenic and mutagenic,
radioactive particles in such abundance that-whipped up by sandstorms and carried on
trade winds - there is no corner of the globe they cannot penetrate-including
Britain. For the wind has no boundaries and time is on their side: the
radioactivity persists for over 4,500,000,000 years and can cause cancer,
leukemia, brain damage, kidney failure, and extreme birth defects - killing millions
of every age for centuries to come. A crime against humanity which may, in
the eyes of historians, rank with the worst atrocities of all time.

Yet, officially, no crime has been committed. For this story is a dirty
story in which the facts have been concealed from those who needed them most. It
is also a story we need to know if the people of Iraq are to get the medical
care they desperately need, and if our troops, returning from Iraq, are not to
suffer as terribly as the veterans of other conflicts in which depleted
uranium was used.

A Dirty Tyson

'Depleted' uranium is in many ways a misnomer. For 'depleted' sounds weak.
The only weak thing about depleted uranium is its price. It is dirt cheap,
toxic, waste from nuclear power plants and b production. However, uranium is
one of earth's heaviest elements and DU packs a Tyson's punch, smashing
through tanks, buildings and bunkers with equal ease, spontaneously catching fire
as it does so, and burning people alive. 'Crispy critters' is what US
servicemen call those unfortunate enough to be close. And, when John Pilger
encountered children killed at a greater distance he wrote: "The children's skin had
folded back, like parchment, revealing veins and burnt flesh that seeped
blood, while the eyes, intact, stared straight ahead. I vomited." (Daily Mirror)

The millions of radioactive uranium oxide particles released when it burns
can kill just as surely, but far more terribly. They can even be so tiny they
pass through a gas mask, making protection against them impossible. Yet, small
is not beautiful. For these invisible killers indiscriminately attack men,
women, children and even babies in the womb-and do the gravest harm of all to
children and unborn babies.

Doctors in Iraq have estimated that birth defects have increased by
2-6 times, and 3-12 times as many children have developed cancer and
leukaemia since 1991. Moreover, a report published in The Lancet in 1998 said that
as many as 500 children a day are dying from these sequels to war and
sanctions and that the death rate for Iraqi children under 5 years of age increased
from 23 per 1000 in
1989 to 166 per thousand in 1993. Overall, cases of lymphoblastic leukemia
more than quadrupled with other cancers also increasing 'at an alarming rate'.
In men, lung, bladder, bronchus, skin, and stomach cancers showed the
highest increase. In women, the highest increases were in breast and bladder
cancer, and non-Hodgkin lymphoma.1

On hearing that DU had been used in the Gulf in 1991, the UK Atomic Energy
Authority sent the Ministry of Defense a special report on the potential damage
to health and the environment. It said that it could cause half a million
additional cancer deaths in Iraq over 10 years. In that war the authorities
only admitted to using 320 tons of DU-although the Dutch charity LAKA estimates
the true figure is closer to 800 tons. Many times that may have been spread
across Iraq by this year's war. The devastating damage all this DU will do to
the health and fertility of the people of Iraq now, and for generations to
come, is beyond imagining.

The radioactivity persists for over 4,500,000,000 years killing millions of
every age for centuries to come. This is a crime against humanity which may
rank with the worst atrocities of all time.

We must also count the numberless thousands of miscarried babies. Nobody
knows how many Iraqis have died in the womb since DU contaminated their world.
But it is suggested that troops who were only exposed to DU for the brief
period of the war were still excreting uranium in their semen 8 years later and
some had 100 times the so-called 'safe limit' of uranium in their urine. The
lack of government interest in the plight of veterans of the 1991 war is
reflected in a lack of academic research on the impact of DU but informal research
has found a high incidence of birth defects in their children and that the
wives of men who served in Iraq have three times more miscarriages than the
wives of servicemen who did not go there.

Since DU darkened the land Iraq has seen birth defects which would break a
heart of stone: babies with terribly foreshortened limbs, with their intestines
outside their bodies, with huge bulging tumors where their eyes should be,
or with a single eye-like Cyclops, or without eyes, or without limbs, and even
without heads. Significantly, some of the defects are almost unknown outside
textbooks showing the babies born near A-b test sites in the Pacific.

Doctors report that many women no longer say 'Is it a girl or a boy?' but
simply, 'Is it normal, doctor?' Moreover this terrible legacy will not end. The
genes of their parents may have been damaged for ever, and the damaging DU
dust is ever-present.

Blue on Blue

What the governments of America and Britain have done to the people of Iraq
they have also done to their own soldiers, in both wars. And they have done it
knowingly. For the battlefields have been thick with DU and soldiers have
had to enter areas heavily contaminated by bing. Moreover, their bodies have
not only been assaulted by DU but also by a vaccination regime which
violated normal protocols, experimental vaccines, nerve agent pills, and
organophosphate pesticides in their tents. Yet, though the hazards of DU were known,
British and American troops were not warned of its dangers. Nor were they given
thorough medical checks on their return-even though identifying it quickly
might have made it possible to remove some of it from their body. Then, when a
growing number became seriously ill, and should have been sent to top experts
in radiation damage and neurotoxins, many were sent to a psychiatrist.

Over 200,000 US troops who returned from the 1991 war are now invalided out
with ailments officially attributed to service in Iraq-that's 1 in 3. In
contrast, the British government's failure to fully assess the health of
returning troops, or to monitor their health, means no one even knows how many have
died or become gravely ill since their return. However, Gulf veterans'
associations say that, of 40,000 or so fighting fit men and women who saw active
service, at least 572 have died prematurely since coming home and 5000 may be
ill. An alarming number are thought to have taken their own lives, unable to
bear the torment of the innumerable ailments which have combined to take away
their career, their sexuality, their ability to have normal children, and even
their ability to breathe or walk normally. As one veteran puts it, they are
'on DU death row, waiting to die'.

Whatever other factors there may be, some of their illnesses are strikingly
similar to those of Iraqis exposed to DU dust. For example, soldiers have also
fathered children without eyes. And, in a group of eight servicemen whose
babies lack eyes seven are known to have been directly exposed to DU dust.

They too have fathered children with stunted arms, and rare abnormalities
classically associated with radiation damage. They too seem prone to cancer and
leukemia. Tellingly, so are EU soldiers who served as peacekeepers in the
Balkans, where DU was also used. Indeed their leukemia rate has been so high
that several EU governments have protested at the use of DU.

The Vital Evidence

Despite all that evidence of the harm done by DU, governments on both sides
of the Atlantic have repeatedly claimed that as it emits only 'low level'
radiation DU is harmless. Award-winning scientist, Dr. Rosalie Bertell who has
led UN medical commissions, has studied 'low-level' radiation for 30 years. 2
She has found that uranium oxide particles have more than enough power to harm
cells, and describes their pulses of radiation as hitting surrounding cells
'like flashes of lightning' again and again in a single second.2 Like many
scientists worldwide who have studied this type of radiation, she has found
that such 'lightning strikes' can damage DNA and cause cell mutations which lead
to cancer.

Moreover, these particles can be taken up by body fluids and travel through
the body, damaging more than one organ. To compound all that, Dr. Bertell has
found that this particular type of radiation can cause the body's
communication systems to break down, leading to malfunctions in many vital organs of the
body and to many medical problems. A striking fact, since many veterans of
the first Gulf war suffer from innumerable, seemingly unrelated, ailments.

In addition, recent research by Eric Wright, Professor of Experimental
Haematology at Dundee University, and others, have shown two ways in which such
radiation can do far more damage than has been thought. The first is that a cell
which seems unharmed by radiation can produce cells with diverse mutations
several cell generations later. (And mutations are at the root of cancer and
birth defects.) This 'radiation-induced genomic instability' is compounded by
'the bystander effect' by which cells mutate in unison with others which have
been damaged by radiation-rather as birds swoop and turn in unison. Put
together, these two mechanisms can greatly increase the damage done by a single
source of radiation, such as a DU particle. Moreover, it is now clear that
there are marked genetic differences in the way individuals respond to
radiation-with some being far more likely to develop cancer than others. So the fact
that some veterans of the first Gulf war seem relatively unharmed by their
exposure to DU in no way proves that DU did not damage others.