Latex proteins, allergies and phloem

[Kritters]

Hi all,

I have no idea if this in any way relates to any of you, but here's my story and thoughts today.

I had a herpes II outbreak this morning for no good reason I can think of. (Is there ever a good reason?) Then tonight, I had a crawling and itching sensation at my bra line (latex area). So being the google geek I am, looked for an association. Nothing directly came up (lots of stuff about LATEX condoms and HERPES) but that's about it for that association. So I kept looking and saw that latex is derived from the rubbertree plant and it turns out many people have allergies to some protein in latex. To the point of death sometimes.

Then I found this information about the rubbertree and specifically it has phloem (plant tissue)...

no biggie, I guess, but I looked for a photo of this rubber tree phloem and the photo looked a lot like what I saw some fibers from my body looked like under the scope. I'm going to paste links since I don't know how to embed pictures here without first taking them to photobucket. I'm very tired, but wanted to post this information tonite since I won't be able to tomorrow probably and in case someone has a thought on this.

Reason being is that I'm always trying to think of links to why so many nurses have Morgellons and this Latex thing (latex surgical gloves) keeps popping up. (Some of us have posted about latex previously)

Anyway, still just trying to put two and two together.
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Allergenic latex protein - Patent 7329512
By the late 1980s and into the 90s, reports began to be received with increasing frequency in Europe and America of allergic reactions occurring among users of surgical and examination gloves made of latex and among spina bifida patients. The significant increase in the number of reports of latex allergy in the last decade has also been attributed to increased usage of latex gloves in healthcare in tandem with the rising cases of AIDS. Sensitisation to latex among healthcare workers is clearly work-related, the main cause being latex gloves, or specifically, the allergenic protein in latex gloves. Nevertheless, numerous cross-sensitivities between latex protein allergens and various food and pollen allergens are known. It is therefore not improbable that many latex-allergic patients may have been initially sensitised not only by proteins from latex products, but also by proteins from other sources.
There are hundreds of proteins found in natural rubber latex. Of these, only a small handful is allergenic (able to induce allergy). There has been much interest in identifying the proteins in Hevea latex responsible for latex allergy and considerable effort is expended on isolating and purifying the allergenic proteins from Hevea latex or latex products. Other than from the academic standpoint, elucidation of the major allergens in latex would enable antibodies to be developed against these proteins.
Plant Disease - 88(9):1047 - Abstract
Rubber Tree (Hevea brasiliensis) Bark Necrosis Syndrome III: A Physiological Disease Linked to Impaired Cyanide Metabolism
Hevea brasiliensis


Biotic Factors
About 90 species of fungi are known to attack Hevea trees, the most prevalent ones being the following: Botryodiplodia elactica and B. theobromae, Colletotrichum heveae (leaf spot), Fomes lamaensis (brown root rot), Gloeosporium heveae (die-back), Oidium heveae (powdery mildew), Pellicularis salmonicolor (pink disease), Phytophthora palmivora (causing fruit rot, leaf-fall, black thread, and die-back), Polystichus occidentalis and P. personii (white spongy rot), Sphaerella heveae (rim bright), Sphaerostilbe repens (red rot) and Ustulina maxima (charcoal rot). It is also attacked by Bacterium albilineans, and parasitized by Loranthus spp. Nematodes isolated from Hevea brasiliensis include: Helicotylenchus cavenessi,H. dihystera, H. erythrinae, Meloidogyne incognita acrita, M. javanica, Pratylenchus coffeae, P. brachyurus. (Golden, p.c., 1984) Insect pests include the following species: Scale insects (Aspidiotus cyanophylli and Parasaissetia nigra). White ants cause serious damage to trees at all ages. Snails can be serious pests to young trees. Various animals can damage the trunks (Reed, 1976). The Hevea tree is subject to many types of diseases that must be controlled for economic production. Three types of root disease, classified as white, red, and brown, are controlled by cutting away diseased tissue and applying prophylactic coatings. Panel diseases, classified as black stripe, moldy rot, and panel necrosis, are minimized by spraying or coating specific fungicides. Stem disease, consisting of pink disease, stem canker, and dieback is reduced by brushing on specific fungicides. Leaf disease, consisting of abnormal leaf fall, Gloeosporium leaf disease, powdery mildew, and bird's eye spot, is controlled by a variety of sprays, including copper oxychloride, sulfur dust, and others applied by spray or dusting techniques (Rogers, 1981).
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Kritters

[Kritters]

Well, there were no replies to my above thread, but I think the latex issue is worth looking into. Given the bio-engineering of EVERYTHING, and the organisms are now totally confused and driven, I don't believe anything is safe at this point.

Somehow, something is taking the ordinary, symbiotic organisms in nature and is turning them ugly and pathogenic. Are the good scientists on a holiday or something?
Or are they below the radar level and don't know what's really going on?

Kritts

[Katinka]

Hey Kritts, by looking at latex. The sap contains resin or rosin which is used as a filling or cement material in dentistry. Connection to NCS?

Kat

[fracty]

Kritters,
I saved 2 bras and neither of them are latex. What part of the bra do you think has the latex?

In any event, my first two suspicions would be:

1) the thread!!! The things seem to congregate in seams on some items. (Edited to add: They ATE the thread out of lots of my clothes.Or at least they somehow merged w or into it.)

2) the fact that the base of your bra is close to your skin and in my case they bite/sting/burrow if the clothes are touching. Sometimes I notices the things worked their way out of my hair and tired to go down my skin where they burrow in. Other times I noticed the things are on the clothes but try to bite if they are in close contact to skin. (I ahven't been having that happen much lately. But I am referring to what was happening initially.)

So, are you sure it's the latex and not one of the above? On the other hand, what chemicals do they use in preparing these things? What nanotech?

Also, an interesting question would have to be answered. Do doctors spend much less time wearing latex than nurses do? I would have thought not. If it is the latex causing the infection in nurses we would have to resolve why doctors are not in the same boat.

I'm not trying to go against what you are saying. I am just doing what I do w all my theories... find a solution that ties together and resolves all the weird little variables.

[Kritters]

Hi Fracty,

I'm not sure about anything :-) at all. Like you, I try to put the pieces together as I become aware of them. As you have read what I wrote you can see that there are different scenarios involved in my observations and I don't have a clue what the answers are. A lot of people are 'allergic' to latex for sure. I believe in my bra the threads were made of elastic and since it was strapless they were abundant to hold it in place at the top. It literally turned my skin red and the itchiness was unbearable. Too bad cuz I liked the bra.

Bandaids are made from latex but they also make them from different fabric because of people who are 'allergic' to latex. If the spot on the body is red in the same shape of the bandaid, then it's the latex unless it is not a latex bandaid, and I'll bet dollars to donuts it was.

Why are some people reactive to latex and others not? I don't know. Why nurses might be affected and not doctors? Again, not a clue. What do nurses deal with that doctors do not that might trigger the latex to become a problem? DOCTORS! only kidding. I might guess hormones? who knows. maybe later with more input in the future we'll have another piece of the puzzle.

This from womenshealth.gov - 1-800-994-9662
How common is genital herpes?
Genital herpes is common. At least 45 million Americans age 12 and older have genital herpes. Genital HSV-2 infection is more common in women than men. About 1 in 4 women have HSV-2 infection compared to almost 1 in 8 men. This is due to the fact that women can get genital herpes and some other STIs more easily than men.


First of all....figures it's from .gov......."...is more common in women in men....WHY???...BECAUSE WOMEN CAN GET GENITAL HERPES MORE EASILY THAN MEN!!! Well THAT sure explains it!!!

I have said all along that I believe there to be a connection with a form of herpes, but this is only my musings and opinion so far. I also don't believe we all have the same thing that we call Morgellons, and if we do, not all the same severity. There are so many things that are bio-engineered now I think it's a matter of what someone is exposed to and what is already in their bodies which interact with it as well as compromise their immune systems. Lack of nutrients, level of toxic chemicals and heavy metals all come into play and we are all different. Hormone levels, pheromones, resulting blood pH, etc..... who knows. Just me trying to figger it all out.

Kritts

[fracty]

The thread used for stitching would probably be made of either cotton or poly. I used to design costumes for ppl, and one of the places that sold my designs sells bras and other lingerie.

Also, when evaluating the bandaid rash we also have to consider the glue. That may have some interaction w this infection.

Yes, lots of ppl are allergic to latex. Along that line of thought, in some ways our responses are like an allergic reaction. That is the excuse I use to explain things to ppl because, of course, I cant tell anyone the truth.

Back to the part about the thread - in my clothes the tiny clear worm things go inside the thread. You can see them if you look very closely sometimes, or see them under the microscope. Sometimes they seem to make the thread move. I wonder if you have those little worms in there and if you could get them out by spraying it with hospital grade disinfectant.

Well, I really have no idea. That is why I did not want to respond to this thread, lol. But then you mentioned that nobody responded so I thought I would venture a shot. lol.

At this point I believe the agrobacterium and/or some other thing that is like a polydnavirus (yes, I know humans cant get it, but I think we did anyway) binds w a variety of things in the environment and our bodies to create these frankenbugs and frankenbots.

[Kritters]

Fracty,

I also had cotton shirts shredded because of probable bio-engineered cotton use.

However, I have to disagree with you about the threads.

Cotton, Nylon, Lycra Spandex and Allergies
Rubber yarns are used in foundation garments, swimwear, surgical fabrics, elastic bandages, support hose, underwear, elastic yarns, shoe fabrics, tops of socks and hosiery.
Elastic waistbands are used in 100% cotton underwear and in the leg openings. Rubber is cheaper and sews easier than synthetic elastics. A well known manufacturer of cotton underwear knew about the problems latex allergy victims encounter. They freely admitted that their waistbands and leg openings contained latex rubberized elastic.

Kritters

[Bee]

I'm going to give up my expensive latex foam pillow that I Love so much and see if my face clears up. Since I have it on my face mostly only.

[Kritters]

Originally Posted by Bee

I'm going to give up my expensive latex foam pillow that I Love so much and see if my face clears up. Since I have it on my face mostly only.

Bee,
Whether or not the latex situation is involved, I think it's a good idea if for nothing other than experimental sake. Also, I'm sure mold/fungus can permeate the foam and it's good to eliminate that as well.
Kritts

[Bee]

I don't think I have lived in a moldy enrivonment but I probably have breathed it in outside mucking stalls and doing land clearing.I have wondered about latex foam rubber before.