Blood lines and Morgellons

[Sadsack]

I just spoke with a woman who had mitochondrial dna test done, and she was found to be a "Haplogroup U5" (see below). Of course, this woman has Morgellons.
Then I remembered Dr. Staninger's contention that most of her patients have "Viking bloodlines". I believe she has referring to U5, which is the most ancient human blood line. She's currently writing a book about it.
I think about the fact that probably everyone has been exposed to whatever causes Morgellons, but that it is people with less "evolved" dna that this thing gets expressed in. "Not integrating properly" is the term she uses.
Something to think about.

Haplogroup U5
The oldest mtDNA in Europe that's human, Homo Sapien and not Neanderthal or other archaic individual is U5. The age of U5 is estimated at 50,000 but could be as old as 60,500 years. The first place scientists find U5 in Europe is in Cyrenaica, and artifacts are found in Iberia, as it's the first in Europe and evolved in Europe.
The presence of haplogroup U5 in Europe pre-dates the expansion of agriculture in Europe. Bryan Sykes' popular book The Seven Daughters of Eve says it shows up 45,000-50,000 years ago in Delphi, Greece and named the originator of haplogroup U5 Ursula. It shows That U5 is the first out of Africa into Europe, and that it shows up as the first Europeans in two places, Delphi and Spain around 50,000 years ago.
By another source haplogroup U5, age is estimated at about 52,000 kya, being the oldest subclade of haplogroup U.[5] Haplogroup U5 and its subclades are most common in Sami, Finns, and Estonians, but it is spread widely at lower levels throughout Europe. U5 is found also in small frequencies and at much lower diversity in near East suggesting back-migration of people from northern Europe to south.[1]
Haplogroup U5a1a lineage within haplogroup U5 arose in Europe approximately 30,000 years ago, and is mainly found in northwest Europe. In the context of its rather ancient origin, the modern distribution of haplogroup U5a1 suggests that individuals bearing this haplogroup were part the initial expansion tracking the retreat of ice sheets from Europe. Bryan Sykes in his Seven Daughters of Eve book named this mtDNA haplogroup Ursula.
U5 had a common ancestor with its sister group, U6. What's interesting is that U5 and U6 are "sister mtDNA groups" with a common ancestor in N. Africa. Each mtDNA group has a sister group. A large proportion of Canary Islander are U6. The medieval Guanches of the Canary Islands also had U6. There was a lot of interbreeding in paleolithic times between U5 and U6. The Berbers are high in U6 mtDNA today.
U5 is the most ancient mtDNA in Europe (50,000 years to 60,500).

http://genealogy.wikia.com/wiki/Haplogroup_U_(mtDNA)

SS

[jonsi]

I remember Staninger discussing bloodlines. Count me in.

Itwl,
~jonsi

[fracty]

I have Viking ancestors. But weird that none of my relatives are affected.

[Sadsack]

Fracty -

I have thought the same thing, especially since both Staninger and Carnicom claim that virtually everyone has been exposed to what causes Morgellons.

The thing that really puzzles me is that I KNOW animals get this; I've seen indisputable evidence first hand. How can that be explained?

SS

[fracty]

I agree w you SS. Whatever this is it is definitely able to cross species. And I have also noticed over and over that some ppl are not affected by it at all. For example, at the libraries and gyms I attend the round white things and the clear hair things are EVERYWHERE. I have even seen ppl at the gym who have one or two clinging to their clothing. But they do not seem to be affected. Which makes me think some aspects of this illness are similar to an allergic reaction.

I have also seen the "threads" and round white balls that jump (mites?) in many things I have purchased including clothing, a blender, a knife set, vacuums, etc. I have noticed products from some companies' products almost always have the "things," while other companies' products never have any at all.

I have no opinion on the Viking thing at this point, but I would like to know how many many M sufferers have Viking background to see if it is truly statistically significant.

[fracty]

PS SS - About the cross species things, sorry I don't have a reference off the top of my head, but I have read many cases where experts cite examples of trans-species contamination even when the mainstream experts were all saying it was "impossible." There are DOCUMENTED cases where it has occurred.

[browncircles]

Guess who is of Sami descent?

Joni Mitchell

Sami people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[lamb]

I'm 95% Irish! Go figure. My dog is a Labrador retriever! Ho Ho Ho...
as if that has anything to do with Labrador!

[Sadsack]

Browncircles -

That is interesting! (And how on earth did you know that? lol)

I am 100% Greek, and there was a reference in that article to there being a pocket of U5's in Delphi, Greece.

Most of the U5's are Nordic, but not exclusively. Some were also in Spain. I should contact Dr. Staninger and to be sure that's what she was referring to. I almost feel like springing for a Mitochondrial dna test. It's very curious. (And I wonder if my cat is a Viking ).

SS

[Keavy]

In a 50000 tear period, I's be surprised if practically all the western world didn't carry some of that DNA.

Irish and Scots have a lot of Viking Blood. As to the pockets in Greece and other places long ago... I'm Scot by ancestry, almost exclusively, and I remember when I studied Celts and Pictish peoples, it was interesting that the Celtic people were never geographically challenged. They were bound as a race by custom and language. they lived spread all over Europe, but lived in pockets. German, English, Scot, Irish, French all have Celtic bloodlines in the mix. Perhaps if some ancient Iberian cultures moved south and spread similarly?
Greece was the center of knowledge at the time, I'm sure anyone living in that time would have visited there.
The other thing is Vikings would breed into lands and people they either colonized, or conquered.
Irish people were kind of swarthy until the Vikings raped looted and pillaged for decades.