Steve Frey's Sponge replication theory

[Jo]

Hey dont knock the fungus gnat theory TC!! lol

Jo xxx

[tcmgpt13]

So maybe you would like to try answering my question about the deep sea ocean fish and how it would contain a fungus gnat? Since I do know what caused me to get these symptoms? LOL

tcmxxx

[Katinka]

Tcm, I have chosen not to reply to any of your posts anymore for they have only ONE intention, namely to ridicule me and other fellow members. In my case.. It's a dead end!

[Jo]

Sent you a PM TC.

Steve, you know I have big respect for your work. You made refs about the new zealand fungus gnats.

This gnat glows in the dark. "This bioluminescence is internal, and is brought about by chemical reactions that occur in a special organ located at the end of the excretory tube. These chemicals include luciferin, which is a waste product that the gnat produces; ATP (adenosine triphosphate) , which is a molecule that even we rely on to keep us alive; and oxygen."

Luciferin and adenosine triphosphate are both produced by the sponge, just google it and you will see.

I just wanted to point out that one of R Smith's suspects in the morg filaments was a luciferin family protein Nocardioides sp. JS614. The new zealand fungus gnat luciferin–luciferase system involves a 36 kDa luciferase to create the glow. Fits good.

The special organ located at the end of the excretory tube - its called the malpighian tubule. It carries not only the fluorescing factor but the insects 'blood'...

Jo xxx

[howie]

tc, if you want to be taken seriously, maybe you should do a little research before criticizing a theory - sponges live in all marine environments, not just the deep sea.

[tcmgpt13]

Originally Posted by tcmgpt13

So maybe you would like to try answering my question about the deep sea ocean fish and how it would contain a fungus gnat? Since I do know what caused me to get these symptoms? LOL

tcmxxx

Originally Posted by howie

tc, if you want to be taken seriously, maybe you should do a little research before criticizing a theory - sponges live in all marine environments, not just the deep sea.

So Howie, if you want to be taken seriously, maybe you should learn how to read. I did not ask about sponges.

[Steve Frey]

And to the images. Is there any one out there that shows a mimic in any form? And does it show any similarity to Morgs? and if yes...what kind? worms, flies, gnats, moths, nematodes..seeds..? And how do you explain the black specks? What do you think they are? How do YOU explain the fibers? and the different colors?

I want to finish answering your questions now Kat.

And to the images. Is there any one out there that shows a mimic in any form?


The manner in which Science uses the term "mimic" when describing traits or actions of organisms is entirely different than the way I am using the term. Science uses the term when an organism portrays a certain color scheme in an effort to resemble another organism for instance, typically to avoid predation, they do not use it as literally as I do. Many people may have noticed that I often interchange the terms I use to describe what I believe is happening, I use the terms replicate and imitate most of the time but occasionally will use the term "knock-off", defined as "a copy of the original, usually crude in quality".

So to answer your question accurately I would have to say no, that there are no images of what I suggest is happening simply because it isn't know to be possible.

And how do you explain the black specks?

Well that depends on whose black specks your referring to. I can relate to what I believe is typically called the "black specks" because I would see them in my hands quite often during a time when my condition was very poor. In an experiment I took a spray bottle of 90% alcohol and flooded the area on my hand where I could see one of these black specks, I continued the spray non-stop for about 30 seconds at which time the black speck was now projecting above the skin, i then dabbed them with a piece of clean white paper and observed them at 200x. Unfortunantly I don't know what they are and have not researched them significantly enough to determine this.


Here are the BS's that came from my hand at 200x






Here is another object that was black but this time it was right at nail cuticle where a little bubble of liquid had formed. I think this resembles a jellyfish or medusa.








How do YOU explain the fibers? and the different colors?

The fibers would be along the lines of spongin or spicules which are both produced by the sponge from calcium carbonate and/or silica and possibly collagen, the sponge is known to produce many pigments and sponges are also found in every color of the rainbow.

[sarothra]

OK everyone --

I really am overwhelmed with theory detail, and I do not see the "whole" picture of either theory - KKJ's or SF's.

I would like to see both theories in a skeletal form, like an outline, with very few "details", because I JUST DON'T GET IT - EITHER THEORY - I DON'T UNDERSTAND LOTS (for examples):

Life cycle (how long they live)
Reproduction
Our immune response
Physical manifestations on the skin
Physical manifestations elsewhere
How do we get infected
How do we stay infected
Why do the fibers move
Why are the fibers so tough
How do they evade the immune system
WHY US? Why don't they stay where they used to be??

Why NOW
Why are these parasites invading humans NOW and what has changed in us or in the environment to facilitate these infestations

For the sponge theory:

Are sponges filamentous, in other words do they have fibers?
How do the sponges get in us?
Why does medical science not recognize an infestation that has been going on for so long (since the pharoahs?)

For the Baculovirus theory:

How do you know it's a virus since I thought viruses were only visible with electron microscopes?
How does the fungus/virus etc. interact with each other

Anyway, can somebody put together in a succinct, easy to understand way,
a short synopsis of these two theories so I can UNDERSTAND IT???

Many Thanks,

sar

[sarothra]

I put in a search for feeding cycles of sponges and this came up --

I AM LAUGHING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THIS ONE IS TOO HORRIBLE FOR WORDS -

THIS PARASITE DRINKS BLOOD EVERY TWO YEARS - THEN RESTS!!

(this has nothing whatsoever to do with Morgellons - at least I don't think so but I found it amusing in the horrible way that parasites can be)

SpringerLink - Journal Article

Aspects of the life-cycle of the Antarctic fish parasite Gnathia calva Vanhöffen (Crustacea: Isopoda)

J. W. Wägele1
(1) Arbeitsgruppe Zoomorphologie, Fachbereich 7, Universität Oldenburg, Postfach 25 03, D-2900 Oldenburg, Germany

Received: 21 May 1987 Accepted: 3 September 1987
Summary The life-cycle of the Antarctic fish parasite Gnathia calva Vanhöffen, 1914 (Crustacea, Isopoda) is described. Three larval instars (pranizae) were discerned. Each instar sucks blood from benthic fishes once and then rests hidden for a period of up to 2 years. Pranizae, that have fed, have swollen pereonites, they bear symbiotic bacteria in a rectal vesicle. The third instar is frequently found within small hexactinellid sponges, where they moult and metamorphose into mature specimens. Within the sponges usually a single male is found together with several females and immature adults. On occasions, a premale moults into a second male and an intraspecific fight eliminates one of the males. Adult stages do not feed.

end of quote

GEE, MAYBE SOME OF THAT ANTARCTIC WATER SENT SOME OF THIS CHIT THIS WAY.

(and when I read that CHITIN was involved I wasn't surprised if you know what I mean)

"Within the sponges usually a single male is found together with several females and immature adults." I'm thinking of this forum LOL - just in general, please I'm not trying to get anything started, just laughing for a change...

ALSO "a premale moults into a second male and an intraspecific fight eliminates one of the males."

I don't know why but this cracks me up....


sar

Ohyeah, they "BEAR SYMBIOTIC BACTERIA IN A RECTAL VESICLE" fun fun fun

[sarothra]

(one of them)

OMG IF THIS STARTS A FIGHT I'M OUTA HERE

rectal vesicles...I just can't contain myself

sar