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Old January 5th, 2010, 08:02 AM
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Another link between humans and the sponge, they call them "normal mycoflora of the human skin", why are they normal? They are considered normal because they have always been there, because the sponge has always been there to produce them. Normal maybe, suppose to be there? I don't think so.

Notice the last bold sentence, the greatest diversity of this Yeast ever reported from a single host, why, because the sponge is the cause of the diversity because it is producing the different species.

This is an interesting article for those following the Fungi path, it's not a real easy read but not bad.

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Surprisingly, diverse Malassezia phylotypes were identified in the marine sponges M. armata and S. zeteki. Malassezia species are lipophilic yeasts that are members of the normal mycoflora of the human skin and are also found on the skin of a variety of animal species. They are associated with a variety of dermatological disorders of human skin, including but not limited to, atopic dermatitis, dandruff, and folliculitis, and they are also implicated in several skin disorders in animals, mainly otitis externa and dermatitis. Malassezia species have been isolated from humans, animals, soils, house dust, and deep sea sediments. This study is the first report of Malassezia spp. in marine sponges and invertebrates. To the best of our knowledge, their species diversity in sponges is the greatest diversity of Malassezia spp. from a single host reported so far. Therefore, our findings indicate that sponges may represent an ecologically important hot spot. Future study of this fungal group using culture-dependent and -independent approaches should reveal useful information on the ecological significance of Malassezia spp. in marine sponges and other invertebrates.
Molecular Detection of Fungal Communities in the Hawaiian Marine Sponges Suberites zeteki and Mycale armata -- Gao et al. 74 (19): 6091 -- Applied and Environmental Microbiology
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Old January 5th, 2010, 08:15 AM
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A striking feature of prion proteins is their extraordinary resistance to conventional sterilization procedures and their capacity to bind to surfaces of both metal and plastic without losing infectivity. Almost 300 cases of transmission of CJD have been reported.
So prions like to bind to the smooth surfaces of metal and plastic exactly the same way sponges like to bind to the smooth hulls of ships, they are a menacing problem and are considered part of the "fouling" community, very difficult to remove too just like prions, in fact the article says they often throw away any surgical instruments after using them with prions.

The article goes onto say that copper is effective against prions, isn't it interesting that copper is one of the only things that works to keep sponges off the hulls of ships?

Copper Helps Control Deadly Prion Protein Infection - Gold & Silver Forum
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Old January 5th, 2010, 11:23 AM
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Now here's a Guy that knows what he's talking about, Gary Novak, and his view on prions.


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This criticism may appear to be so much contention, but prions show what it all adds up to, because they are a scientific impossibility which is supposedly established as fact, atleast in the minds of some persons.

One reason why the prion etiology is an impossibility is because evolution cannot create a contagious disease from the host's genetic material, and there are way too many complexities and incredibilities for random results. Therefore, there must be genetic material with the causative agent.

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The causative agent for Mad Cow Disease alters nerve cell walls to create modified behavior as a method of dissemination. Dissemination is actually through body fluids including saliva, urine and feces, as some evidence indicates. To disseminate, the microbe must be in the blood, not just the nerve tissue. In other words, false science produces false security.
Prions are not causes of diseases.


He has a very interesting website

Science is Broken. Carbon dioxide, energy misdefined, prions, relativity and big bang promote agendas.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 11:34 AM
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Wow! Steve, what great stuff! I like that guy, and I'm going to follow his website!

Check this out about the morel mushroom...Morel Mushroom Evolution and Biology.

looks like a sponge doesn't it? In fact, I'll bet the sponge is really fungus, or that fungus is really the sponge.

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Old January 5th, 2010, 04:26 PM
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Wow! Steve, what great stuff! I like that guy, and I'm going to follow his website!

Check this out about the morel mushroom...Morel Mushroom Evolution and Biology.

looks like a sponge doesn't it? In fact, I'll bet the sponge is really fungus, or that fungus is really the sponge.

Kritts

I was very impressed with this guy myself Kritts, he really seems to have it going on and I too think that there is connection between his mushroom, my theory, and the sponge and I am considering the idea of trying to start a dialog with him about it.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 03:54 PM
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A little gift for you, Steve -

Chemists crack complex compound : Nature News

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Chemists crack complex compound : Nature News

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Thanks for the link Sack, nice to see you broadening your scope of knowledge to include sponges.

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Old January 19th, 2010, 12:47 AM
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"the first known case of a parasite that actually replaces an organ of its host"


Okay folks, I know what your thinking, how does this have anything to do with the sponge, well trust me it does because the parasite in this article is a crustacean from the Order Isopoda which is a more than common associate of the sponge.

http://scholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu...n3-347-351.pdf


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Sept. 16, 2005 — A tongue-eating parasite inside the mouth of a red snapper purchased from a London fishmonger recently revolted its buyer and fascinated scientists.
Previously, scientists believed fish infected with the parasite, nicknamed the "tongue louse," existed solely in the Gulf of California. The find in England suggests the parasite's range may be expanding, according to a recent press release issued by a museum in England.
The parasite, Cymothoa exigua, attached itself to the host fish's tongue and snacked on it to the point where it replaced the missing part of the tongue. The parasite, which does not harm humans, only appears to feed on snapper, Luttjanus guttatus.
The stomach-churned diner who made the discovery contacted the Lewisham Borough Council, which sent the fish to Jim Brock, a leading British entomologist who is keeper of natural history at the Horniman Museum in London.

Brock said, "I have not seen this species in all my 13 years at the museum, so it's a remarkable find. This crustacean is considered in the scientific community to be the first known case of a parasite that actually replaces an organ of its host."
Brock and his colleagues have not yet ruled out that the fishmonger imported the infected fish from California, but he and other experts suspect that the parasite's range may be much wider than previously thought.
Matthew Gilligan, professor of marine sciences at Savannah State University in Georgia, told Animal Planet News he believed the tongue-eating animal is much more widely distributed than scientists suspected.
Gilligan said the insect is an isopod crustacean, which means that it's shell-covered, leggy and segmented. Other more common isopods include sowbugs and pillbugs. The group dates back at least to the Carboniferous Period of the Paleozoic, approximately 300 million years ago.
While tongue eating and replacing is unique to this particular species, he thinks the behavior probably evolved out of trial and error.
"They (parasites) are always testing the envelope on what they can get away with," Gilligan said. "Killing the host is self-destructive — maladaptive in evolutionary terms — but it is remarkable how much host damage can be inflicted by parasites while not severely impacting survivorship of the host."
The snapper needs its tongue to process food, but Gilligan said "an isopod tongue is more useful than no tongue at all."
Brock explained that the louse enters through the fish's gills using claws. It attaches itself to the base of the snapper's tongue and survives by drinking blood from a tongue artery.
"Eventually the fish's tongue is reduced to a stub," Brock said. "However, the parasite by now is large enough to replace the tongue and as it manipulates the fish's food, it also dines out for free on food particles when the fish eats."
The red snapper with the parasite soon will be on exhibit at the Horniman Museum.
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When is Science going to get a clue about the sponge, as we can see hitting them over the head with evidence sure isn't working.

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The sponges, enveloped in plastic bags underwater just after collection, revealed in the laboratory the presence of a structured epibiotic assembly on their surface. This assembly appears to be "stratified" into three zones: (1) the sponge body, (2) the sponge basal platform, and (3) a zone in which valves of the scallop Adamussium colbecki are embedded into the sponge itself to stabilise it (snow-shoe effect), if the sponge lives on soft bottoms.
The epibiotic assembly on the sponge Haliclona dancoi
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Old January 20th, 2010, 01:25 AM
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I've been waiting patiently now for some of you brilliant minded amatuer researchers to jump on board with me and focus your attention where it really needs to be, on the sponge, but apparently that same unseen force that manipulates the minds of the Science world into not seeing what is right before their eyes must also be at work here. Now I'm one to give credit where credit is due and even thought Kammy and I haven't always seen eye to eye I must say that I think she has done an excellent job of portraying the entity involved with morgellons at her web site, here is a quote that says it all.

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What’s been so confusing, and this is where Frito can help us by studying the progressions, is… that even though we’re starting with one sphere – there seems to be approximately 5 or more different characteristics that they end up with. They all don’t perform the same way. Some of them stay spheres and allow the ’spaceship’ (polyhedron) to land on them, some of them explode into a white fungus, some of them explode into a black/white fungus, some of them have ‘fibers’ laying on them or nearby in which they are appear to be quorum sensing with, some of them morph into ‘other’ different-looking spheres, and they reproduce in many different ways.

What I have described in the past as the ‘biofilm’ IS the main sphere. Out of the biofilm all things are created. It’s as if we have a multi-faceted combination of events occurring out of our spheres – such as a possible baculoviral, protozoa-like artifacts, our mystery fibers, some sprouting into fungi, some are occluding, others not, some are budding, others not… etc.

The main sphere is like a biofilm, I want to say it is more of a yeast than fungus – the main ‘yeast’ sphere LATER creates a fungi or mold from inside of it – it appears that our sphere has properties that it can incorporate many other ‘things’ that come along into its ’system’.
My point with all this is simple, it's cut and dry, excluding the unrealistic "man-made" angle, there is only one organism on the planet that actually carries with it the genetic material required to produce all the different forms of life that many people observe with morgellons. Even if you don't entertain the idea that a single organism can produce replicas of others it still comes down to the fact that life doesn't rise out of nothing, it's in the genes, and the sponge is the only organism in existence that packs around a full compliment of genes from all the domains of life, it is the only possible answer to this puzzle, think about it.
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