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[Kritters]

Kam,

We were trying to think of why there are so many nurses with Morgellons and now reading about the teachers as well, I'm wondering if it's got anything to do with vaccinations both might have to get because of work policies? It doesn't seem likely to me that anything in vaccinations causes Morgellons, though. I'm wondering about the pipes in the hospitals and schools, many of which are older buildings??? Location??? constant exposure? But then the kids would also be exposed....

This is really a mystery.

Kritts

[Katinka]

Originally Posted by Kritters

i don't give a rat's *** if Jack the freaking ripper finds the cause and cure! Lock them up later!

Yeah! Kritts, exactly..ME too!

[Katinka]

Originally Posted by Venetia

Lyme is not contagious- but for sexual contact and mother to child.

-V-

V....I would like to see the evidence to this statement...could you please help me here? personally I do not think that Lyme's Disease is contagious in either way...but I could be wrong...

Kat

[Venetia]

I would very gladly accept that Lyme Disease is not transmissible at all-

My sources: Mary L- told me via phone- that my daughter's children most likely
have Bb - due to her having had a tick bite and subsequent bull's eye rash and Lyme symptoms. This was the consensus of the doctors at the Foundation- circa 2004- after review of Western Blot that was faxed to same.

Second source, which may be one and the same as the first...

Excerpt:
We find no study that addresses sexual transmission of Bb among humans; conversely, we find no study supporting that it does not occur. Inferential data, however, suggest the possibility of human sexual transfer. The data come from sound veterinary studies (96,98,115), the finding of Bb in human semen and breast milk (128,129), and by similarity to Treponema

pallidum where sexual transfer is abundantly documented (117,130,131). Our clinical experience strongly suggests that predictable, possibly inevitable Bbsl transfer between sexually active couples occurs. The preponderance of infected spouses we have tested to date also exhibit positive serology or PCR for Bbsl presence.

Source: http://www.ilads.org/files/harvey.pdf


See page 5 of 18 at above- per above quote


See also:

Dr. James Howenstine -- Curing Lyme Disease With Samento

[Katinka]

Thanks, V...so it IS transmittable!!

[Venetia]

- If we are to believe Dr Harvey, et al- yes - Bb is transmissible per above circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Kritters

Kam,

We were trying to think of why there are so many nurses with Morgellons and now reading about the teachers as well, I'm wondering if it's got anything to do with vaccinations both might have to get because of work policies? It doesn't seem likely to me that anything in vaccinations causes Morgellons, though. I'm wondering about the pipes in the hospitals and schools, many of which are older buildings??? Location??? constant exposure? But then the kids would also be exposed....

This is really a mystery.

Kritts

It's not a mystery to me, these professionals are in close contact with people, a nurse is more likely to come into contact with someone with evident Morgellons.

You've heard Morgies say that the 'debris', as Dr. Schwartz calls it - 'flakes', coming off them caused a lesion to occur wherever it landed on their bodies? There's a period in the beginning stages where people that have their Morgellons starting in the scalp are 'sporing like a mushroom'.

If their lesion is large enough, the properties of the debris have been described as 'numbing', an anthrax-like powder is involved, it's invisible, nano-like in size... people developing arthritis and their fingers becoming altered from touching their lesions, parasitic hangnails develop, erosion of their fingerprints... etc. These tiny particles can easily be airborn contagions at this time.

As people move out of this stage, as Dr. Schwartz suggests, the disease moves internally to the organs...don't know?, I'm sure he bases this statement on something - but people report that their debris landing on their skin no longer gives them lesions.

We're learned that this debris is in a desiccated, cryogenic state, we're reading - it can possibly contain the cells of over one thousand different human pathogens from the various disease branches, we're trying to narrow it down. During this contagious state - all that is probably required is a moist landing place and a bit of pressure for transmission.

How long does this stage last? We don't know. It may vary from person to person, on the size of the producing lesion, the amount of debris, or the general health of the person and their immune ability to fight it. It might be that the original (scalp) carriers are contagious and the others that contract Morgellons from them are not, or are less contagious? People in this stage would need to be studied.

I suspect that those who are initially producing from their scalps are more contagious in this stage, than say, someone who contracts it and has an initial arm lesion. I believe the size of the lesion and the amount of the debris that it is being generating determines how contagious a person is. Possibly, if the person infected has taken some medicines to eliminate some of the pathogenic aspects of their debris might be a factor, also.

This contagious aspect may be addressed right away, but, I doubt it, we have to look at the broad ramifications of what this contagious aspect means... the entire economic world, our way of life, would be upset and require change.

[carla]

I trust a Doctor more if the establishment throws mud at him.
We all know how the Media twist things too.
My GP who diagnosed me with DOP said my Lyme Doctor (the medical advisor for the British Lyme Disease Association) was a quack who would say I had any disease I wanted as long as I paid him.
Another DOP diagnosis ne said of him,'No one in the medical community believes anything he says.'

That re-inforced to me what a great Doctor he must be.

[morgylady]

not buying the whole "not contagious" stuff. how do we know for sure this isnt contagious? i suspect it is. otherwise why do my husband, daughter and i all have it? it had to come from somewhere. i do not believe its a coincidence that we spend all our time together and got the same disease. not one bit. my experience tells me otherwise.

as scary as it might be to think we may infect others, it HAS to be looked at as a possibility. imo, it doesnt make sense to simply write that off because it seems unpleasant and may lead to feelings of guilt.

theres a reason why husbands and wives and children and other loved ones are all becoming infected. do you think its "chance". heck no!