Nanotechnology

[monika]

Originally Posted by Katinka

Is this made in Silicon Valley? Sounds almost like it.
I was thinking if their subbases are located in Texas and Florida? Could be..maybe I should do some research on that.

The only thing what bothers me though with this nanotech theory is how can you kill nanos with antibiotics and antifungals? Or even Ivermectin?
Could it be that these elements (bacteria, fungus and parasites) were added to keep it driving and living somehow? Together with the body electricity? And if you eliminate one of these elements it weakens and dies off?

I not sure what to think about all this..conspiracy, chemtrails, nanotechnologie. All I know is there must be a LIVING organism involved we need to kill.

Katinka

Hi Katinka, there is just a few thoughs i would like to add to your post.
First of all , as far as i know (not sure because i dont know so much on that) , the antibiotics is not always efficient or just for a while , in other words "it makes believe first to help but afterwards the problems often come back" , (am i right this is a regular pattern?)

The second thing about what you say about a living organism ..., first question is what is "alive " ? does it for instance need to have genes ? Compare with prions that cause mad cow desease , its just a protein ....and it makes other proteins in the brain and central nervous sytem to become "bad" ones too and that way it destroys the person or animal who is contaminated, there is no use to radiate or to heat the protein in order to try to "kill" , its stays actif when it is consumed or enters into the brain .....this is just one example of how hard the word "life" or contamination is to define.

Another thing is that a living organism, suppose it is artificial , rather behave as one big superorganism, just like ants , bees , or some bacterias that in case they have lack of food start to act as one , even exchange genes .
In case this is an artificial organism, or call it software intelligence , its not bound to any fysical body maybe, or better , its connected to all life and all life is a part of it , so it can be alive , but not possible to "kill" by killing any bacterias or even the person having the desease .....the desease can really be symply artificial induced , i dont say i am 100 sure of this , but it seems to me a very usefull thing to keep in mind when judging what goes on, it would explain why nobody is able to find a cause only links to different things and temperary cures , that after a while dont work .THis seemingly working of medicines and after not anymore , is a typical pattern i see in the this entire system , not only with medicine , but for us targeted individuals with technology, in the impression that for instance shielding helps,, but after one day or few times suddenly it seems not to help , and i have many examples like this ....really many , also that is a PATTERN , this system is USING DECEPTION ON THE WORLD AS FAR I CAN SEE , in many many different things but on very standard systematic and efficient ways ...

Its not easy to understand or to believe because it is so unimaginable and so different than anything we knew before ....

Greets Meanwhile , hear you later , Monika

[monika]

Originally Posted by Sadsack

Katinka -
If it is nanotechnology, then it is capable of building countless life-like forms. Research terms like "artificial dna", "singularity", "synthetic biology" for some of the answers to these questions.

The Secretary of Energy, Steven Chu, is an expert in synthetic biology.
This stuff has been around a LONG time, with experimentation every step of the way.

The Singularity movement, many years old, is based in Silicon Valley and is just south of the Bay area, where one of the first and largest outbreaks occurred.

Look at some of the earliest posts on this thread that describe the movement (an article from the NY Times) and a new university opening on the grounds of NASA. It is backed by Google, among others.

To return to the original question, if artificial dna (constructed through nanotechnology) is a reality, consequently synthetic biology, this new "life" will possess some of the properties of "real" dna & biology.

The problem is that the prime mover - the nanotechnology - does not get destroyed with medications, so it keeps producing and infiltrating the body. Also, it produces many things that are NOT life-like. These things are what Dr. Wymore has been studying for the last 4 years. If you listened to Coast to Coast last night, he makes it very clear that the fibers (along with several other structures) have NO cells - procaryotic or eucaryotic. What their purpose/function are is a matter of debate, but it is clear that they are being made WITHIN the body, utilizing the building blocks found there.

For this reason, it is important to DETOX the body to keep flushing out these foreign invaders. Heavy metals seem to be present, so chelation is important.

That's enough for now!!

SS

Hi Sadsack , yes indeed also dna can be changed repaced switched on and of and all this with nanotechnology , nanoelectronics uses dna as transistors , and microelectronical compounds. All this is indeed correct .

But i would like to come back to my remark on prions , and an idea that i only with this morgellons story started to think of, not sure though if im right , but is prions not (at least as contaminating agent ) recent ? I rememeber the long debate on it why it has no dna, and why it stays actif even after radiation heating or what ever, there is still contraversies on the fact that its surely the contaminating agent and the question why it changes other proteins, and exclusively in the central nervous system on top , is as far i know unanswered ....lets think a bit ....step by step ....
A protein , is theoretically not alive , but dna can change proteins ...or simply said , decide the way they fold , right ? Dna does work electrically , in other words , its the electrical activity of Dna , that at the same time folds proteins, and at the same time is the main definition of "life" and passing the information of a biological organism ...
make now step two in the reasoning , in case anorganical material , can be "grown" by electricity , just as proteins and organical material, by electricity of dna, would that not confirm that in case this activity is not in our body on the classical way we expect , that is must be outside of our body, which would be another very strong argument to say that there is an intelligent (superintelligent and probabely artificial ) organism , connected to humanity and causing all this ??? Would that not explain also the mystery of mad cow desease ? and of morgellons ? And the fact that as well morgellons as well mind control (and all the rest of my weirdsounding list) does appear world wide without any normal reason ? and in he same pattern of increase in incidence rates for all of it ??? And all the overlaps between all these things, and the fact nobody can explain them ..., and the fact it all behaves intelligent and deceptive, and hackes electronics ....all this .....

Those are the most important basic arguments to me , to consider this explenation of the entire situation, a very possible one ....
I Would like to hear from you what you think of that ? and if you have any idea if i am correct that prion contamination is a relatively recent phenomenon , any idea ? Feedback on this ideas is very wellcome .

Greets a lot meanwhile , Monika

[monika]

Originally Posted by Kammy

I understand what you're saying Monika, as an example, these people who think they have had a supernatural encounter with a dark entity, possibly Satan, or those who believe they were abducted by aliens were 'fed' this information through mind control 'machinery' to come to believe that these events actually happened? That this 'machinery' is capable of instilling many thoughts into the minds of men?

And that through the science of statistics, you can see that there is a pattern there and what the pattern is?

I have a good friend that was accosted by the "Devil" in their 20's, they are 50 something now - they have lived with this supposed encounter every day since then, it ruined their life, they are just now getting it together. Most people shun them and think they are 'crazy'... which I know they have problems, but I have always treated them well and listened to them. I'm sure something happened, I have not been sure if it was on an actual spiritual level or just in their mind, but, this has that not mattered to me, I like them as a person. Now I understand that my friend could also be a victim of this "AI" machinery?

I don't believe that there is such a man made 'AI machine', I see the world on a more spiritual level... but, I have respect for those that do and for these victims of circumstances and don't have any problem trying to help or aid someone in Europe with Morgellons.

Hi Kammy , you are totally making the correct connection ...indeed, your friend was an early target of it , the posesions of demons are recently rising and the symtoms are fatigue, headaches, telepatical communication, werird vivid dreams, sexual bizar feelings , imuun disturbences , and the entire list of things that mind control victims experience ....included hacked computers, car accidents , suicides , heartattacks and ruined lives ofcourse ...

Your remark about being spiritual , sure life is a mystery , and i do not exclude at all that this could be god or aliens, theoretically i cannot know for sure what this is ....BUT , i put the arguments on a list than i see first of all , nomatter how mysterious life and world is , it is always discribeble in mathematics , this does not mean always predictible , but the world is mathematics, information, patterns, nomatter if it concerns life , consiousness , quantymphysics, genes , or matter ....and this mathematics , can feel indeed beautiful and deeply spiritual, so manmade does not exclude that it feels spiritual , and on top who knows that artificial intelligence as it has been predicted, is just a next step in evolution and escaped any human control , i dont know that , but i see that this is totallly secret and unknow to people except the targets of it , and even they hardly see the complete elephant, because its so huge and so deceptive and so exptremely smart .

The other argument i have to suppose its AI , is that it is ONE thing (that is why i use the razor of occam remark , or the methaphor of ONE elephant but many different experiences ) , and even if many things it causes have been around in acient times, there is a part of it that has not been around ever before, for instance "recovered memories " ....this is NEW since the 80 ties lets say ...Neigher the fatigue going together with it , the overlaps of fatigue and for instance alien abductions, the very typical symptom of sexual manipulation that is absolutely weird and present in mind control targets , alien abductees, recovered memories of satanic abuse and mindcontrol in child hood, and possesion by entities or vodoo so called ....it is soooooo similar , that is really looks to be THE SAME THING

Walter Bowhard who wrote a book on mind control but died a while ago, made this remark and he was very much right ...

www DOT whale.to/b/bowart6.html
Lecture by Authors Walter Bowart, Alan Scheflin, and Randy Noblitt Walter Boward “I've seen several patterns emerge, and one of them is the Satanic or cult ritual abuse pattern, and the other one's the alien abduction experience,reports from people that report alien abduction experiences, ritual abuse, and the government mind control side of things. And it's very interesting for the similarity, there are so many similarities it looks like one and the same thing,.


Another book from the 1996 was about "hysterical epidemics" , the writer considered the phenomenons as hysterical epidemics , and that is not correct , but she saw very correctly , the similarities , for that reason her book is interesting to see the list she made of the things she considered to belong to it , and indeed , its the list of the elephant, only a few things are still missing, the book is over 10 years old , that explains that the list is incomplete partly ...

"Elaine Showalter, an American writer on cultural and social issues in 1997 published her book "Hysterical Epidemics and Modern Media" about "unexplained" modern illnesses, and clusters six seemingly unrelated contemporary maladies: chronic fatigue syndrome, Gulf War syndrome, recovered memories of sexual abuse, multiple personality disorder, Satanic ritual abuse, and alien abduction. "

I am sorry i was yesterday so emotional , it all makes me despered too because i realize something very serious is going on , and the number of people being confronted with something they dont understand , suffer from and are not believed even to experience , makes me angry on the entire situation , but no use to just say how bad it is , better try to think what to do , and to share info and help eathother as good as possible ...right ?

I posted on our network the story of becomming memeber here , and the fact i recieved offers for help , and meanwhile several victims were very positive to more cooperate with problems like morgellons , convinced indeed its a part of the same problem we deal with , i ll keep you all informed on more reactions for sure , and more ideas on what to do , any feedback very much welcome too.

Much very kind greets Monika

[monika]

Originally Posted by stillhere

SS,

Thank you for your response. I know the evidence is so real of people having negative intent. I had a problem maturing to that reality in my life. Validation of my private thoughts typed, was needed so thank you. All that crazy label crap we all deal with has taken a huge toll on me.

I agree with what you say as goodness will prevail somehow. I have these thoughts in my mind and have to keep myself under control as I wonder if there is something I am supposed to be doing that I am not. This affliction is EVIL whether by intent or accident the bottom line is the same.

I wish us all strength and peace on this journey.

sh

Who knows , is this human evil ? very possible like sadsacks example shows. But as well it can be just a next "natural " step in evolution ...., ofcourse that does not mean its not evil for humanity .", the goal of an organism much stronger than we , is not neceserally our goal ...but this is speculation because i do not know for sure that.
WHat i do agree with it the fact that all these deases , autoimuun problems are not so easy or even impossible to cure , because we dont understand them , and dont know the cause, and cannot see the mechanism behind it nor know how to stop it , i hate to be negative, but in this case i doubt that there will be found a cause like a bacteria or vaccination , for that it looks to me indeed too far from what we are used to in nature ...no idea .
But dont lose hope, already the fact that it will be recognized as real , is a huge step foward , internation organizations should take their responsibilities and not ignore this , and that is the way to keep going and not give up , the number of this kind of problem is growing and it cannot be endlessly ignored i suppose , greets Monika

[monika]

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Comment by ann 10 hours ago
Well Done Monika,
If there is one thing I do belive we need , it is to join forces with other groups like the Morgellans ones, in order to strengthen our efforts in getting both politicians and scientists to recognise that we already have this problem. What has already happened is that the minds of our peoples have been "read" and in many cases controlled, such that unless we can get numbers of the Elite to see there is a problem and seek action against it, we havn't a hope of doing anything about it. There simply aren't enough of us with any power at all!!
Comment by ann 10 hours ago
I did have one idea.. There are Professors in universities still researching both nanothecnology and further bio fields, so what about we send them requests for their opinions on this worst case scenario of ours and Morgellans and its relationship to nanotechnology and more recent fields of science? at least this way we are making them aware of what we are doing? Maybe the Morgellans group could help us do this?

[Sadsack]

My gosh, so many ideas here, too much to respond to in an organized and thorough fashion...so I will just throw things out as they present themselves in my mind.

First - prions - very interesting idea! They are very mysterious (here's a discussion on them: NOVA Online | The Brain Eater | Do Prions Exist?).
I have to admit it is too complicated for me to try to put together except in the most superficial manner.
The book about related phenomena from 10 years ago. Two on the list were chronic fatigue syndrome and Gulf war syndrome. Both are definitely related to Morgellons, if not the same thing. As I mentioned in another post, Dr. Wymore applied for a grant to study Gulf War Syndrome to see if it IS, in fact, Morgellons. He said that all of the symptoms were the same as Morgellons, but without the fibers. He speculated that no one looked for the tiny embedded fibers and that it should be investigated. He was turned down.
Maybe this huge mosaic of diseases and phenomena are in fact related, and have at the core the same primary cause.
How on earth are we going to put it all together?? We need a team of physicists, chemists, biologists, clergymen, psychics, ufologists, environmental toxicologists, computer geniuses, and more to do it!
I had other thoughts but they evaporated...
Oh - one other thing - there are some discussion sites that focus on a wide range of topics, such as Rumor Mills and Above Top Secret. Then there is Rense that has speakers from all these areas on a regular basis.

SS

[Sadsack]

Hot off the press - it's official - nanotechnology is the next industrial/technological revolution:

YouTube - ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION?

SS

[monika]

Originally Posted by Sadsack

My gosh, so many ideas here, too much to respond to in an organized and thorough fashion...so I will just throw things out as they present themselves in my mind.

First - prions - very interesting idea! They are very mysterious (here's a discussion on them:
I have to admit it is too complicated for me to try to put together except in the most superficial manner.
The book about related phenomena from 10 years ago. Two on the list were chronic fatigue syndrome and Gulf war syndrome. Both are definitely related to Morgellons, if not the same thing. As I mentioned in another post, Dr. Wymore applied for a grant to study Gulf War Syndrome to see if it IS, in fact, Morgellons. He said that all of the symptoms were the same as Morgellons, but without the fibers. He speculated that no one looked for the tiny embedded fibers and that it should be investigated. He was turned down.
Maybe this huge mosaic of diseases and phenomena are in fact related, and have at the core the same primary cause.
How on earth are we going to put it all together?? We need a team of physicists, chemists, biologists, clergymen, psychics, ufologists, environmental toxicologists, computer geniuses, and more to do it!
I had other thoughts but they evaporated...
Oh - one other thing - there are some discussion sites that focus on a wide range of topics, such as Rumor Mills and Above Top Secret. Then there is Rense that has speakers from all these areas on a regular basis.

SS

hI Sadsack , i imagine this is a lot at once, indeed this is research of many totally different things, that little people even know about mainstream.
One example is alien abductions, who the hell would take only the name already seriously ? This explains why no serious academic (excluded maybe John Mack who was run over by a car in 2004) would go into the subject seriously, or no university would spend money and time to investigate this with the though in mind that its a serious thing, and that the subject of aliens , is NOTHING BUT DECEPTION TO MAKE IT SOUND REDICULOUS
traumatic reactions of brain heart and sweat studied on harvard ...

On harvard mc nally and susan clancy investigated it only in connection to recovered memories , to check if traumatic reactions that go together with testemonies in court like recovered memories for instance of sexual abuse ,could be considered as a proof that the sexual abuse really took place.
they found that alien abductees were also heavily traumatized , even more than vietnam veterans with war traumas !
So they concluded that trauma can be the result of "imagination" ....WHY THIS TRAUMATIC REACTIONS WERE PRESENT THEY SAID THEY COULD NOT EXPLAIN BUT THEY DID NOT WONDER FURTHER ON THIS SUBJECT EVEN IF THEY ADMITTED THE RESULTS WERE SURPRISING

YOUR REMARK ON GULF WAR SYNDROM CHRONIN FATIGUE IS VERY INTERESTING , i will check out more on dr wymore , and later today try to put something on paper, maybe to contact him ...

TOTALLY CORRECT IS WHEN YOU SAY
We need a team of physicists, chemists, biologists, clergymen, psychics, ufologists, environmental toxicologists, computer geniuses, and more to do it!

Indeed only interdiciplinairy reasearch into all this , will be able to provide some answers, and that implies ofcourse that all the victims and abducteess and patiens with all kind of mysterious deseases avoid all the typical speculations on from what planet the aliens are comming or what departement of secret service is hunting them ...this is ALSO THE RESULT OF DECEPTION AND CONFUSION DELIBERATELY CAUSED BY THIS DECEPTIVE SYSTEM (just a name i give it to sound at least neutral )

About the article on prions you posted, it indeed illustrates perfectly the CONTRAVERSY , that is on prions as contaminating desease , i meanwhile checked prion desease in the past , and there was sheep srapies or something, but that never before ever was making humans ill .....this cross over contamination is curious , and ofcourse much more curious is how PROTEIN FOLDING IS PROVOCED WITHOUT DNA

SOME MORE ON PRIONS AS EXAMPLE FOR SELF ASEMBLING NANOTECHNOLOGY ELECTRONICS , the similarities are striking, this seems to be the way prions grow , the way protiens fold , but also the way nanotechnological fibers can be made to grow and used as nanoelctronics

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | 'Nanowire' breakthrough hailed
NANO WIRES SELFASSEMBLY AND PRION PROTIENS
'Nanowire' breakthrough hailed
Microscopic wires which could help form the miniature technology of the future have been constructed using the basic building blocks of living things.

Experts in nanotechnology, who are trying to come up with ways of wiring the next generation of microscopic electronic circuits, believe that protein folding could hold the key to progress.
Prion protein
The latest research, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, focused on a "prion" protein produced by a type of yeast
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SOME GENERAL INFO MORE ON PRIONS AND INFECTIONS RECENT DECADES In which i find interesting not only the unexplained mechanism but also the onset in the late seventies and the increase over 80 ties , this is the typical pattern of all these "so called modern hysterias "

Homepage | CDC BSE
About BSE Beef cattle grazing. (Image courtesy USDA)
BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) is a progressive neurological disorder of cattle that results from infection by an unusual transmissible agent called a prion. The nature of the transmissible agent is not well understood. Currently, the most accepted theory is that the agent is a modified form of a normal protein known as prion protein. For reasons that are not yet understood, the normal prion protein changes into a pathogenic (harmful) form that then damages the central nervous system of cattle[.
Research indicates that the first probable infections of BSE in cows occurred during the 1970's with two cases of BSE being identified in 1986. BSE possibly originated as a result of feeding cattle meat-and-bone meal that contained BSE-infected products from a spontaneously occurring case of BSE or scrapie-infected sheep products. Scrapie is a prion disease of sheep. There is strong evidence and general agreement that the outbreak was then amplified and spread throughout the United Kingdom cattle industry by feeding rendered, prion-infected, bovine meat-and-bone meal to young calves. The BSE epidemic in the United Kingdom peaked in January 1993 at almost 1,000 new cases per week. Through the end of 2007, more than 184,500 cases of BSE had been confirmed in the United Kingdom alone in more than 35,000 herds. There exists strong epidemiologic and laboratory evidence for a causal association between a new human prion disease called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD) that was first reported from the United Kingdom in 1996 and the BSE outbreak in cattle. The

I will go for walk because just woke up and will be back later on ...greets Monika

[monika]

Originally Posted by Sadsack

Hot off the press - it's official - nanotechnology is the next industrial/technological revolution:
YouTube - ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION?

SS

without any doubt , indeed .....

Interesting thoughs on this are to find in forsight research and two authors that remind how historys big changes are always totally surprising and unexpected are Peterson and Taleb , this is simalar to thomas khun his sudden "paradigm shift" , what we dont expect, we dont believe and dont see comming ., that seems to be human

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_ca...sight_research)
In foresight reearch, "wild cards" refer to low-probability, high-impact events.
Arguably the best known work in Wild Cards comes from John Petersen author of 'Out of The Blue - How to Anticipate Big Future Surprises'. Petersen's book articulates a series of events that due to their likelihood to surprise and potential for impact might be considered 'Wildcards'. He defines Wild Cards as 'Low Probability, High Impact events that, were they to occur, would severely impact the human condition'.
The idea is similar to the Black swan theory described by Nassim Nicholas Taleb in his 2007 book The Black Swan.
Black swan theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Black Swan theory (in Nassim Nicholas Taleb's version) refers to a large-impact, hard-to-predict, and rare event beyond the realm of normal expectations.

MY FAVORIT DESCRIPTION OF THIS BY THOMAS KUHN In The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Kuhn argued that science does not progress via a linear accumulation of new knowledge, but undergoes periodic revolutions, also called "paradigm shifts" , in which the nature of scientific inquiry within a particular field is abruptly transformed. In general, science is broken up into three distinct stages. Prescience, which lacks a central paradigm, comes first. This is followed by "normal science", when scientists attempt to enlarge the central paradigm by "puzzle-solving". Thus, the failure of a result to conform to the paradigm is seen not as refuting the paradigm, but as the mistake of the researcher. As anomalous results build up, science reaches a crisis, at which point a new paradigm, which subsumes the old results along with the anomalous results into one framework, is accepted. This is termed revolutionary science.

Greets Monika
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[Kammy]

Is Morgellons Nanotechnology?

I was just researching and found this AGAIN... and thought I'd document it out here before I moved on... this is something we can come back to later.

The 'black specks' coming from our bodies, which I keep stressing - that if we know the chemical composition of - we will be able to say - 'Yes! Morgellons is nanotechnology!' Maybe we could get one of our scientists to preform an analysis to compare what is known in nanotechnology, with what is coming from some of our bodies?

The empty carbon cell that possibly appears in my photographs??? We don't know yet, we haven't had a scientist in this field to see or identify what I am describing as "might be" an empty carbon cell using 'sheet' technology to create the initial Morgellons 'spider web' fiber network.

This 'sheet' method of growth is related to what is known as the "Buckeyball" technology in nanoscience, another name for buckeyball is fullerene.

To clarify what I just said: the 'buckeyball' (black speck?) starts the creation of the 'sheet' of fiber network as seen in Baraka's video. It appears in its infancy inside the human body at a much slower rate than in Baraka's video, his video is on fast forward. It is replicating itself (reproducing) in Baraka's video into more 'balls'. From my microscopic photography in real time, slowed down - in its infancy - we can see that this 'ball' is created from an empty carbon cell. This process is repeated over and over in its 'lifecycle'.

I can only speculate how much time has passed in Baraka's video vs. real time. What you see happen in 2 seconds with his method - takes days or weeks to occur inside the human body.

Here is a web-site that shows the chemical diagram and compounds of fullerene or "Buckeyballs", we need to know if any of the compounds of our 'black sphere specks' resemble the compounds of Fullerene?:

PCBM Products (Organic Based Solar Cell) Price - SES Research

Chemical name
[6,6]-Phenyl C61 butyric acid methyl ester
1-[3-(methoxycarbonyl)propyl]-1-phenyl-[6.6]C61
3'H-cyclopropa[1,9][5,6]fullerene-C60-Ih-3'-butanoic acid 3'-phenyl methyl ester