Nanotechnology

[monika]

[quote=Kammy;39654]This is good debate, this is how we learn things, nothing is personal.

Ok, I can maybe say these are nanotubes... we don't know yet - but, Monika, others, please put in your 2 cents worth here on this next statement:
We've been fed so much "BS" (do I need to translate "BS"?)... that we're finding it harder and hard to believe these people that are these postions to give us valid information. We're finding discrepancies and 'feet dragging' at every turn.

We do not understand our CDC's nor our doctor's motives in not addressing this major and serious epidemical issue in a quicker manner? There is something terribly wrong here! And, even our media/news is censored anymore, we're fed a steady diet of only what they want us to hear.

They are keeping us in a state of anxiety, depression, uncertainty, knowing that some of us have quarantined ourselves away from our loved ones, we can't get any medical help, we've been labeled 'crazy', our families, friends and lovers/spouses are leaving us, our finances are dwindling, some of us are not able to work, we're losing our homes... etc - this is destroying people and yet... this continues, day after day! This is some of the worst abuse that anyone could endure, especially, if you do not have this under control![/QUOTE]

I GET TEARS IN MY EYES BECAUSE THIS IS EXCATLY WHAT IT IS AND HOW IT FEELS YES SURE AND THIS IS WHY I TRY SO MUCH TO DO SOMETHING TO MAKE THE WORLD TAKE THIS ALL SERIOUSLY YES

THE REASON WHY THERE IS NO RESPONSE IS BECAUSE ITS DONE SO WELL
its manipulation in the highest degree , my mother thinks since 2005 i am crazy ! and she does not speak to me .....and i am not able to act normally because i start to cry when i see her , so we hardly see eachtohter , its the same thing , i know so well what you talk about .....
I tried so many things to make this public or get support from politics or media, and each time things for some or other reason go wrong, imagine something that controlls brains of all people in interaction , it has total control about all of us, included the people we need to help , and our beloved family and friends who dont understand what is happening .....
i get really tears in my eyes, and i recognize all you write .....

my proposition is that i will get this problem into our group with the most sensefull people we have, and try to unite the stories of all of us somehow, i will put my ideas i get on a list , and will see what will come out of that ....ok ? a big hug meanwhile, indeed IT IS GETTING TIME URGENTLY THAT OFFICIAL ORGANIZATIONS DO SOMEHTING AND INVESTIGATE THIS AND THE BEST WAY IS OVER STATISTICS BECAUSE THERE AND ONLY THERE IT IS CLEARLY VISIBLE , its all IN THE PATTERNS , there for it is intelliigence , intelligence is patternrecognition and i suppose that explains why its visible in statistics ....

i did contact before also epidemiologist from hopkins university over the phone, and explained her my suspition on the suicide rates she was studying and she was interested, and that was long before i knew of morgellons , so maybe that is another option ....and we are with many aswell , and if the text that is written would be a bit cleaned out from speculations (now its very long overdose of links send by john finch from australia who sends around a lot but tooo long and for an outsider hardly to understand) and it would go to the right people , i think maybe we have some chance because one day THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE KNOWING THIS IS HAPPENING WILL REACH A CRITICAL LEVEL BECAUSE IT KEEPS GROWING , ok ?
Cheer up , ill try to do the same, and think about all we got to know from eachother and our mutual problem that seems very much the same thing.
Hug and take care hear you tomorrow , Monika

[Katinka]

Is this made in Silicon Valley? Sounds almost like it.
I was thinking if their subbases are located in Texas and Florida? Could be..maybe I should do some research on that.

The only thing what bothers me though with this nanotech theory is how can you kill nanos with antibiotics and antifungals? Or even Ivermectin?
Could it be that these elements (bacteria, fungus and parasites) were added to keep it driving and living somehow? Together with the body electricity? And if you eliminate one of these elements it weakens and dies off?

I not sure what to think about all this..conspiracy, chemtrails, nanotechnologie. All I know is there must be a LIVING organism involved we need to kill.

Katinka

[Sadsack]

Katinka -
If it is nanotechnology, then it is capable of building countless life-like forms. Research terms like "artificial dna", "singularity", "synthetic biology" for some of the answers to these questions.
Here's a start for you: Secretary of Synthetic Biology | The Loom | Discover Magazine

The Secretary of Energy, Steven Chu, is an expert in synthetic biology.
This stuff has been around a LONG time, with experimentation every step of the way.

The Singularity movement, many years old, is based in Silicon Valley and is just south of the Bay area, where one of the first and largest outbreaks occurred.

Look at some of the earliest posts on this thread that describe the movement (an article from the NY Times) and a new university opening on the grounds of NASA. It is backed by Google, among others.

To return to the original question, if artificial dna (constructed through nanotechnology) is a reality, consequently synthetic biology, this new "life" will possess some of the properties of "real" dna & biology.

The problem is that the prime mover - the nanotechnology - does not get destroyed with medications, so it keeps producing and infiltrating the body. Also, it produces many things that are NOT life-like. These things are what Dr. Wymore has been studying for the last 4 years. If you listened to Coast to Coast last night, he makes it very clear that the fibers (along with several other structures) have NO cells - procaryotic or eucaryotic. What their purpose/function are is a matter of debate, but it is clear that they are being made WITHIN the body, utilizing the building blocks found there.

For this reason, it is important to DETOX the body to keep flushing out these foreign invaders. Heavy metals seem to be present, so chelation is important.

That's enough for now!!

SS

[Katinka]

Thanks Sadsack,
if you look at my other post I mentioned Silicon Valley too. Could be this is true?? Is this really manmade?? I wouldn't doubt it.

...For this reason, it is important to DETOX the body to keep flushing out these foreign invaders. Heavy metals seem to be present, so chelation is important.

Meine Rede Sadsack, meine Rede!
Katinka

[Kammy]

I understand what you're saying Monika, as an example, these people who think they have had a supernatural encounter with a dark entity, possibly Satan, or those who believe they were abducted by aliens were 'fed' this information through mind control 'machinery' to come to believe that these events actually happened? That this 'machinery' is capable of instilling many thoughts into the minds of men?

And that through the science of statistics, you can see that there is a pattern there and what the pattern is?

I have a good friend that was accosted by the "Devil" in their 20's, they are 50 something now - they have lived with this supposed encounter every day since then, it ruined their life, they are just now getting it together. Most people shun them and think they are 'crazy'... which I know they have problems, but I have always treated them well and listened to them. I'm sure something happened, I have not been sure if it was on an actual spiritual level or just in their mind, but, this has that not mattered to me, I like them as a person. Now I understand that my friend could also be a victim of this "AI" machinery?

I don't believe that there is such a man made 'AI machine', I see the world on a more spiritual level... but, I have respect for those that do and for these victims of circumstances and don't have any problem trying to help or aid someone in Europe with Morgellons.

[Katinka]

Kammy,
Demons can get hold of peope if they cope to them in some ways. I know of several cases of people having strange thoughts, moving chairs, toilett flushing at night, people getting choked by invisibles....
Mostly there have been relics found in their house. Things like old indian jewelery, stuff from china or india.They threw that stuff out and the spook was over!

Even my sister-in-law had bad dreams about bugs all over. She found out she bought a antic purse at a flee market. She threw it out and it was over.

If you buy or keep such things people have kept while dealing with spiritualism...demons....talking with the dead and stuff like that..you can easily get demoniized too.

That is a fact..believe me I know what I'm talking about.

Katinka

[Sadsack]

Kammy -

I can't speak to the things that Katinka is addressing, though I have read enough about related issues to say I certainly wouldn't dismiss these claims.
I also wonder about what the difference is between "ordinary" evil and the kind of evil that allows a female Sunday School teacher rape and murder a 9 year old girl...and true "demonism".
I can say from firsthand experience that MORGELLONS is EVIL. Where does "demonic influence" play into it (if there truly is such a thing)?
We all know that Morgellons is a physical reality (thank God for the scientists who have proven this). My own read is that the people responsible for this ARE evil. Are they under the influence of some very dark force? I don't know.
Lastly, I want to address your point about nanotechnology "creating" experience. See the article below. Kurzweil is at the heart of nanotechnology, and one of the founders of Singularity Univ. Keep in mind that by the time technology of this magnitude reaches the public through the media, it's been in research & development for many years, if not decades:
Virtual reality will come from inside our brain, not goggles, says Ray Kurzweil

Virtual reality has long promised a way to create an immersive illusion so convincing that you can't tell the fake from the real. Futurist Ray Kurzweil says that virtual reality will make virtual travel possible. But not in the way that you might expect with a super-realistic display creating faux imagery on a screen or a pair of goggles.

Rather, Kurzweil speculates in an interview with Good magazine that nanotechnology will supply the trip. That is, you could have an injection of nanobots into your brain that could trick your neurons into thinking that you’re really traveling to someplace you aren’t.

You might liken this to the psychedelic drugs of Carlos Castaneda. You get pretty much the same effect, but these nanobots are technically robots, not drugs.

I don’t think this means that it’s time to invest in nanotechnology gaming and to sell short anything that has to do with display-based video games or virtual worlds. I think the display-based worlds are going to have quite a long run before the nanobots are perfected. I mean, can you imagine what happens if the nanobots stimulate the wrong part of your brain and give you some kind of nightmare or seizure? Uh, I’m not going to be the guinea pig for that experiment.

I’ve heard Kurzweil talk last year about game development and the next 20 years at the Game Developers Conference. He speculated back then that human lifespans would start stretching longer and we would start becoming immortal at some point as nanotechnology and biological research advances make it possible to repair our bodies as they age. Kurzweil is also a proponent of the Singularity theory and has been pushing that idea forward.

I would wager we’re quite a few years away from making this happen. As for virtual travel, Kurzweil estimates that flawless virtual travel will be doable around 2030. But the Good magazine interview is nevertheless fascinating.

http://venturebeat.com/2009/04/12/virtua....s-ray-kurzweil/

SS

[stillhere]

I have a problem (always have) believing people can actually plan to hurt others and carry it out but throughout history the facts are there. People do mastermind schemes with intent to kill or destroy other beings with no good intention whatsoever.

That said, I must ask myself, could this just be a world that has overdone everything and misused and abused knowledge, science?

I will use AIG as an example. I don't believe the guy at the top ever wanted to destroy the company but the arms and legs of this company got so large and out of control the fall was inevitable. By the time it was known to the CEO, there was no turning back. It came crashing down around them. I feel it was like I said above plus some. Misuse of information, power, greed and ego..... but from all people. All the way down to the title agents, real estate people etc. as they all were involved in giving misinformation, greed etc etc. on every level. Within that company AIG, there were people like you and me who could see, predict the impact and outcome of what was going on around them but there was no stopping it. Or they didn't know how or feel they could. I see this same concept happening with the world as we know it.

It is a huge, vast problem. We are passengers unless we have strength in numbers and make changes or die trying. Altering nature is not good. Maybe yes there is a place for it but the earth worked and now we are messing with the very base of our existence. Any altering of nature should be done if done at all in confinement with regulations and controls in place and huge punishment if breeched. There are always going to be bad people trying to misuse something that could be a good thing (what goes up must come down)and because of these people is the very reason we need the tight controls or don't do it at all. It may be too late. But we are still here which makes me think not.

I feel like these autoimmune diseases that have no cure are not natural thus we can't cure them naturally. So what at the basic level is the cause? That is the problem we face and maybe we are the messengers who are the proof this is going in the wrong direction. It is out of control and it must stop. Whatever it is (genetic modificationm, mutation). I have always looked to nature for my answers to the tough questions, does nature allow this? If so then who am I to question but if nature doesn't then I stand firm in that positon. That very belief is being taken from this earth.

Does this make sense to anyone? I am ranting and shaking as I type. It seems very elementary to me.

sh

[Sadsack]

sh -
You are making a great deal of sense. The only exception I have to what you are saying is with regard to the culpability and intent of those responsible for robbing the populace. Maddoff is an example of what has been happening on a grand scale for a long time.
Greed may be the worst of sins, as it seems to be the "fuel" that feeds all the others, up to and including murder.
Is there any doubt what the intent of Hitler's regime was?
At the close of WWII, Nazi scientists were brought to the US where they continued to work with the government - only this time it was the US gov. It was called "Operation Paperclip" Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't forget that the intent of the Nazis was to "purify" the population through various means, death in particular but not exclusively. Google more about Operation Paperclip.

It is a horrible thing to contemplate, that all of this may be part of a "grand plan". How uniquely suited Morgellons is for this purpose!
But if true EVIL is behind this, then the antidote is GOODNESS. As prophesized, in the final battleground Evil will be defeated.

So be strong, soldiers, and seek what is Good. We will prevail.

SS

[stillhere]

SS,

Thank you for your response. I know the evidence is so real of people having negative intent. I had a problem maturing to that reality in my life. Validation of my private thoughts typed, was needed so thank you. All that crazy label crap we all deal with has taken a huge toll on me.

I agree with what you say as goodness will prevail somehow. I have these thoughts in my mind and have to keep myself under control as I wonder if there is something I am supposed to be doing that I am not. This affliction is EVIL whether by intent or accident the bottom line is the same.

I wish us all strength and peace on this journey.

sh