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Old April 15th, 2009, 03:17 AM
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Quote by Monika: "Did you by the way know about the existence of targeted individuals?"

We know that Baraka has been abducted... lol. No, really, that is a good question. Someone asked me yesterday - 'Why is it you think that certain people get Morgellons and others don't seem to be affected at all?' I have an answer, I just want to see what you say...?

What's your slant on this Monika, based on your surveys or questionnaires?

BTW - I joined your website, I'll be over there shortly to make some posts.
Why some people get affected and others not i am not sure , but there is a standard profile for targeted individuals , alien abductees and survivers of satanic abuse and trauma based mindcontrol .
the avarage age is middle age , lets say 45 average, the education is higher than avarage , mostly whilte people and seemingly females , but that is just a main trend because finally it affects really all kind of people around the globe. Also in all these things it starts in English speaking parts , so USA and UK, and than the rest of the world follows too , in each of all this , why i am not sure. Could be connected with the fact that its the most used language in technology and internet maybe, just a guess ?
I suppose also that it explains the mystery of the suicide rates in middle age in USA that seem to be a public health mystery since 2000 rising with about 30 percent while the rest of ages stay stable , this affects economy as well too , ...its all IN THE PATTERNS INDEED , visible in statistics , really ...
here is a the answer of 1 question of 164 respondents of the survey , and the evolution of new targets a year is clearly visible, same results for china and USA and worldwide ....I thing the evolution of morgellons is very similar , right ? And i will check more on the links of lyme i recieved as well , thanks for that . Will let you know more and when i will be able to post links it will be easier to post info on specific articles and so, meanwhile a part can be found on fedame dot org , much greets once more and hear from you later , am going to sleep now
Monika

surveyresult on question 1 167 respondents , mainly Europe and USA

1. What is the year you FIRST REALIZED and were FULLY AWARE that you were under attack with remote manipulation weapons (directed energy - mindcontrol)?
Responses Percent
Before 1980:
4 2.48%
1980: 1 0.62%
1981: 0 0%
1982: 1 0.62%
1983: 0 0%
1984: 1 0.62%
1985: 2 1.24%
1986: 2 1.24%
1987: 0 0%
1988: 0 0%
1989: 0 0%
1990: 1 0.62%
1991: 2 1.24%
1992: 2 1.24%
1993: 3 1.86%
1994: 3 1.86%
1995: 1 0.62%
1996: 7 4.35%
1997: 8 4.97%
1998: 5 3.11%
1999: 2 1.24%
2000: 5 3.11%
2001: 10 6.21%
2002: 12 7.45%
2003: 9 5.59%
2004: 17 10.56%
2005: 18 11.18%
2006: 16 9.94%
2007: 12 7.45%
2008: 17 10.56%
2009: 0 0%
Total Responded to this question: 161 96.41%
Total who skipped this question: 6 3.59%
Total: 167 100%
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Monika -

The reason I ask is because we have been 'altered', we're not the same as we used to be prior to knowing this disease. You can ask anyone with this - 'How has Morgellons changed you?'... you will get a variety of answers.

From what I hear, is that our priorities have changed. What used to be important, is no longer as important. Some have higher senses of awareness in certain areas, some have less, in others than they used to have. Some have more mental energy, some have less. Some say that they used to be good in one area and now that ability is gone... and so on.

Baraka and I recently were able to 'see' the Morgellons World for what it is, through our scientific experiments. I sent you a link to look at some of our work to see our recent discoveries, there's a lot of information there. I wanted you to look at it to get a better understanding of what we now know, as of late.

We're making leaps and bounds in our understandings of what's happened to us. I think there are very intelligent people here, you can ask any of these people here and they will give you the various answers to the 'puzzle'.

Not to offend, just stating what I observed visiting your site and in my opinion - your site is a little bit 'out there'... which will come under scrutiny because of the 'unproven' theories of what it is based on, such as 'alien abductions', 'satanic abuse', 'quantum computing'...etc. We are trying to base our observations on sound hypothesis using science and scientific tools and equipment, leading to sound theory and I believe, because of this - that some of our theory will eventually be proven to be fact.

It's hard to prove an alien abduction or satanic abuse, from what I understand, 'they' don't leave much physical evidence behind after 'they've' been there? With 'quantum computing'... what is that... nano computing? Yes, they have invented a nano computer, however, it can't add 2 and 2 yet because of its size. And, quantum computer technology is still in its infancy and not developed yet. Let me look? (I remember everything I read... I read this once, this is something that happened to me with my Morgellons, it opened a portal that allows me to obtain, absorb and remember most everything I read, even though Baraka might not agree (*smile)). Of course, someone could have built one that we don't know about? Maybe, Europe knows something we don't?

Quantum computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is Morgellons based on nanotechnology? Well, we're seeing most all the 'parts' with the naked eye. There can be some powder debris that is almost invisible... but, to say it's on the 'nano scale', I don't think so. I would say that it is "GM" or bio-engineered but not "nano", Morgellons was created before the science of nanotechnology was brought into effect, which is a more recently birthed science.

I'm not here to pick on your site, I'm just trying to let you know where I'm coming from, and I can't speak for everybody else. Like I said, I would be glad to participate in your site community by leaving links to good, factual information about Morgellons, I have no problem with that. I realize that your site is in its infancy and needs good input, and I look forward to being a part of it... as I'm sure some of the others might also?

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Artificial intelligence

Artificial intelligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paradigm shift

Paradigm shift - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Occam's razor

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And, not for one minute do I believe that Morgellons is the creation of "Artificial Intelligence". I have pretty solid proof that it has come from the most screwed up and the most dangerous animal on the planet - man!
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Maybe, this is what is meant by AI?: Now that we have these 'things' inside of us - Are the men who created this using some sort of 'machinery' to manipulate, influence, send signals to us, mess with us, interfere with our thought patterns, sending us radio or other frequencies... ???

I suppose this is possible? The majority of these particles inside of us have a metalic-look. The fibers have been compared to semi-conductor polymers used in fiber optics... and it looks like a jumbled/random 'telephone wire/transformer' system set up inside of us?

Some have stated that they think something of this nature is happening to them.

Anyone, what do you think, or do you feel that this 'manipulation' is happening and why or why not?

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YES SURE you are all altered , we as targeted individuals aswell, yes precisely what you discribe , (and i did not even know that yet about morgellons ) is what we experience as targeted individuals, and is what alien abductees experience ect ect , ITS THE SAME EXPERIENCE and indeed it changes the mind , the priorities in life, the way we look at the world, the way we sense other people , feelings , awareness INDEED THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT I SEE IN ALL THESE EXPERIENCES

the second thing is that i did not seem to have explained well that all these recovered memories and all that are not real, there is no satanic cults or aliens, its its MANIPULATION OF THE MIND AND BODY , and that is why the person changes, i do know 100 dreds of victims, i phoned with many researchers of satanic abuse, alien abductions and i am SURE that all these things are a cover of ONE HUGE WORLDWIDE INTELLIGENT TECHNOLOGICAL SYSTEM , sure of it , really , i am targetted myself since 2005 , and i did not do nothing else than searching and studying and meeting people around the world about this one incredible thing that has totally changed my entire me , my life , my identity .....i know exactly what you mean with "altered" ....

that you can see with the naked eye signs of morgellons , i believe fully , but ofcourse that does absolutely not exclude its nanotechnology .
The reason why i mention quantumcomputers, is BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE PART OF NANOTECHNOLOGY AND THE OTHER PART OF NANOTECH IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN BIOLOGIE AND ELECTRONICS , really ....sure true

this neurologist has written this on morgellons, found it recently , check it out , ill be back with more info later on, and than you can compare also all symtoms and descriptions of people who consider it as new age supernatural and you will recognize the same things , over and over and over, because its caused by one and the same thing, OTHERWISE IT COULD IMPOSSIBLY BE SUDDENLY RISING ALL AROUND THE GLOBE ON THE SAME WAY , i know its the same cause , that i am sure ....it simply must be , once one experiences it and compares it and puts the statistics one next to another , its pretty visible that it is all the same thing ....read this , and let me know what your impression is on this text . Did you find this before already ? He is right about the fibres , totally correct , and right away i will post how the militairy are researching to grow nanotechnologychips , yes grow organically ...right away it comes , growing nanochips . they can be big, small , and very small , nomatter , but they are assembled atom by atom and they can grow just like hair , carbontubes are being grown in electrical fields, indeed our body too is a electrical nanosystem, and explains why our cell grow, and proteints grow, and which directiion , proteins and sugers are piezoelectrical , and carbon is the basis of organic material , but aswell of nanotechnological electronics ...
I know it sounds scary, and i do think it is scary , very much even ...
greets ill be back , Monika

Honorable Mayor and Berkeley City Council Members:
My name is Edward Spencer MD. I have practiced Neurology in Northern California for more than thirty years.I am speaking tonight on the issue of health and nanotechnology.


A very strange disorder named Morgellons disease is among us, and the world wide number of cases is approaching 20 thousand with major clusters in the Bay Area and Southern California. There now exists strong data indicating that this disorder is associated with nanotechnology, specifically nano machines in the form of nanofibers. The National Science Foundation (NSF) defines nanofibers as having at least one dimension of 100 nanometer (nm) or less.

So-called Morgellons disorder presents as brain fog, fatigue and other neurological symptoms. It is associated with the presence of tiny fibers protruding from the skin, intense itching, the possible appearance of ulcerative lesions ringed by a raised crater rim, and other strange lesions. The fibers have been widely observed to move. There is no satisfactory treatment, physicians and dermatologists are unfamiliar with this chronic disabling disorder and tend to ignore it. Patients become labeled as having Delusions of Parasitosis, and this psychiatric
diagnosis is stuck to the patients by dermatologists who have not examined the skin under magnification, and who have not completed the extensive evaluation necessary to exclude all parasitic skin disorders before making a psychiatric diagnosis.

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Old April 15th, 2009, 05:05 AM
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Pictures of the fibers are provided in the packet and I will direct your attention to the blue fiber with the gold tip. This was removed from a patient. This fiber did not burn until it has been heated to 1700 degrees F. Compare that with hair, which is easily burned producing a characteristic odor and has a cellular structure.. The fibers are shed regularly and some grow to long lengths indicating fiber production in the human body.

Dr. Janovy has stated of this blue fiber, ‘it has no
eukaryotic cells, it has no cell membrane, it is not a parasite, it is
not biological, it is a machine.’

Web article: Gold Nano Anchors Put Nanowires in Their Place is
( i had to remove url )

Also included are microphotographs by Dr. Hildegarde Staninger of a blue Morgellons fiber removed from a patient. Note the similarity of structure.

There is evidence that Morgellons disorder(s) is carried by insect
vectors, as some type of bug bite frequently precedes the onset of the disorder(s). The agent(s) producing Morgellons are in the sewer systems.

Also included are photomicrographs of very strange skin lesions.
Morgellons appears almost biblical in its characteristics…. like
something described in Exodus.

Dr Randy Wymore of the University of Oklahoma sent fibers to the FBI. No matching fibers were found in the FBI forensic database. A contact in Naval Intelligence has recommended looking into Smart Dust. (Specks in field arrays).

The National Register of Environmental Professionals has assigned a task force to look into environmental causes behind Morgellons Disorder.

I ask the Berkeley City Council to request that the University of
California devote its considerable intellectual and technical resources to studying these nanofibers and this disease.

Under the wise guidance of Wall Street and insurance companies, American Medicine has fallen into an amazing state of degeneracy. Medical care is unavailable for many, access is limited for most, and research money is frequently unavailable except from major drug companies. Using technical terms, American Medicine is in the toilet. The response of the CDC has been lethargic to the point of being alarming.

A simple electronic microscope such as you see here allows inspection of the skin at 50x to 400x and allows the clinician to document the existence of fibers. Eyeballs at two feet won’t do it, and simple equipment like this should be available in the UC Clinics. And, of course, we need methods of treatment.

This concludes my brief bedtime story. I will be pleased to provide further information as it becomes available.

Respectfully
Ed Spencer MD
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This is from the website of privacy international , its general but gives an idea the url is easy to find by search on privacy international and nanotechnology in case it does not work
privacyinternational DOT org/article.shtml?cmd%5B347%5D=x-347-559083

Nanotechnology evokes the potential for privacy invasion on the most intimate levels. For instance, nano- and microelectronic systems are able to interface directly with the nervous systems of biological organisms, controlling movement and behavior. The United States military and associated institutions currently conduct such research on insects, embedding them with optical and audio sensors, GPS and the means to relay information back to those in control. Known as the HI-MEMS project, the goal is to create tiny, relatively inexpensive, remote-controlled cyborg spies.[7]

Nanotechnology has a broad range of health-related applications. Among these is the “lab on a chip” device, in which miniscule analyzers examine biological tissue to rapidly compile comprehensive personal diagnoses. Such systems, under development at MIT and funded by the U.S. military, could perform hundreds of chemical analyses, such as warning of contagion on a battlefield, or screening DNA for genetic disorders

Nanotechnology will also enhance information security methods. As nanotechnology enables quantum computing,[10] stronger cryptographic techniques will become available. On the other hand, stronger de-cryptographic tools will become available as well. Today’s most commonly utilized cryptographic method, the Public Key system or RSA encryption, will be rendered o***bsolete with the advent of the quantum computer.[11]

Likewise, existing laws could address many of these problems. The European Commission’s report, for example, noted that privacy, security and dignity principles implicating nanotechnology are already embodied in international documents like the European Charter of Fundamental Rights.[17] What remains is for these principles to be enforced through regulation.[18] Nonetheless, most governing bodies seem to be at a stage where they are still researching the likely effects of nanotechnology on society.

In 2005, funding for nanotechnology research in the United States was established under the 21st Century Nanotechnology Research and Development Act of 2003.[19] The National Nanotechnology Advisory Panel, created by the Act, issued a report on nanotechnology in May 2005.[20] According to the report, USD 82 million will be budgeted to examine, among other things, the impact of nanotechnology on personal privacy.[21] Legislation is being developed to spur innovation and place the United States in a leading position with this early stage technology.[22] The National Nanotechnology Initiative funded $373 million in 2007, an increase of 8.6 percent from 2006.[23] Japan’s expenditure is second to the United States, and the European bloc is third; however, the nanotechnology investments of both Japan and the EU are projected to overtake that of the U.S. by 2013.[24]
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AND THIS ONE IS LOVELY
sciencentral DOT com/articles/view.php3?language=english&type=&article_id=218391 966&PHPSESSID=351967a48b0bd8e64b905d90877e6d06

Grow Your Own Chip


If you pick up a sea shell at the beach this summer, you’re looking at an example of nanotechnology. As this ScienCentral news video reports, sea shells could be the inspiration for the next generation of electronic chips.

How To Grow Electronics

Sea shells are a natural example of a primary goal of nanotechnology: useful structures that build themselves. Some nanotechnologists have studied how shells assemble themselves, with a view to making new miniscule structures in similar ways.

At Massachusetts Institute of Technology, materials chemist/bioengineerAngela M. Belcher belongs to the research team at the Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies (ISN). The mission of the ISN is to design the military uniform of the future, to protect soldiers in unprecedented ways. For example, the uniform might be able to harden into wearable armor when its wearer turns on built-in electronics to create an electromagnetic field.

But such a uniform would require wearable electronics, even smaller and more powerful than the most advanced devices we have today. To find ways of making nanoscale electronics, some nanotechnologists are pursuing molecular self-assembly. “What we want to do,” Belcher explains, “is not only control the structure of new materials we make, but also have those materials pattern themselves into functional devices.”

Belcher’s own model is the natural world. “Organisms assemble themselves very well,” she points out. “You and I are examples of self-assembled systems. No one built me, atom by atom. My proteins and other biological molecules actually had a blueprint of how to build the individual components that make a human.”

Red abalone shells

To decipher nature’s blueprint and apply it to her own goal of nanoscale electronics, Belcher began by studying how red abalone shells combine their own proteins with calcium from the surrounding ocean, to fashion extremely strong shells. “One of the beautiful things about the red abalone shell is that it has evolved proteins to bind very specifically with calcium in the ocean. We had to come up with a new technique, a new way of having proteins construct other kinds of materials.”

IT COMES FROM A COLLECTION OF ARTICLES OF NANOTECHNOLOGY FOR SOLDIERS
http :// web.mit.edu /ISN/newsandevents/ index.html
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Maybe, this is what is meant by AI?: Now that we have these 'things' inside of us - Are the men who created this using some sort of 'machinery' to manipulate, influence, send signals to us, mess with us, interfere with our thought patterns, sending us radio or other frequencies... ???

I suppose this is possible? The majority of these particles inside of us have a metalic-look. The fibers have been compared to semi-conductor polymers used in fiber optics... and it looks like a jumbled/random 'telephone wire/transformer' system set up inside of us?

Some have stated that they think something of this nature is happening to them.

Anyone, what do you think, or do you feel that this 'manipulation' is happening and why or why not?
YES THIS MANIPULATION IS HAPPENING INDEED , i feel it and many people i know even from long ago , do feel it too and saw it happening on our computers and electronic devices , at the same time for all of us in the same city here .....
i know it sounds INCREDIBLE , but it really seems to be that way, my neigbor thought first it was god doing this, than he changed his mind to satan, and now he says i was right its "technology" , he is a simple religies guy , and believes in angels and gosts so he really could not imagine what was happening to him ......

My personal experience started with hacked computers, continued with messages over the computer , i typed questions and answers came from television and than i started to "fall in love wiht my computer " (i know how it sounds but it felt that way ) , than i got sick , had headaches , toothpain, weird dreams, strong smells , and telepathic communication with "something" , that seemed to know everything about my past .....
it started to mess with my memories , play tricks and it took me a while before i understood .....
Meanwhile i know many people in Belgium who consider this as supranatural , and talk about the new time comming and spiritual enlightement, but they all suffer from depressions, weightchanges , sleepdeprivation, change in taste smell sensations, behaviour and so on and so on....
I do not really consider it so "spiritual " but i know the feeling not caring about thing i did care about before, and being less manipulateble , having intenser emotions , still it feels lonely and is very traumatizing, several victims we know have commited suicide , some died from heartattacks , or car crashes .....what to think of all that ?
IT IS SHOCK TO ME IT IS SUCH A SHOCK

i am so glad i posted on this forum tonight, should have alreeady long time gone to sleep , but am still writing and posting , hope i am not overwhelming you with all this , forgive me if that is the case, its the first enthousiasm of sharing it and realizing that many of you do believe that something like this is happening ....thanks so much by the way for your attention on all this too, and first of all , take well care of your healt and mental piece, its pretty exhausting all this i find , have myself only half of the energy i had before, and became so serious , before i was always doing things and with many people , now i read and write and hardly go out , just meet with very close people and netwerk or meet with other targets ...yes my life has changed very very much ....i wonder also what will be, and dont know what to think really , now i really go take a rest and hope to hear you tomorrow , much very kind greets again , Monika
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This is good debate, this is how we learn things, nothing is personal.

Ok, I can maybe say these are nanotubes... we don't know yet - but, Monika, others, please put in your 2 cents worth here on this next statement:

We've been fed so much "BS" (do I need to translate "BS"?)... that we're finding it harder and hard to believe these people that are these postions to give us valid information. We're finding discrepancies and 'feet dragging' at every turn.

We do not understand our CDC's nor our doctor's motives in not addressing this major and serious epidemical issue in a quicker manner? There is something terribly wrong here! And, even our media/news is censored anymore, we're fed a steady diet of only what they want us to hear.

Here's some examples: I haven't seen the "goldenhead", the blue fiber with the gold head yet, these fibers are burning at lesser temperatures than is reported, I read where Dr. Wymore sent the fiber to the Kansas City Bureau of Investigation, not the FBI, we've been told this is pine pollen, there's no pine pollen involved in Morgellons... etc. Chemtrails? ?? Agrobacterium, cyanobacterium, C. pneumonia, bacillus subtiltis, "BT", pesticides... the list is long of what's supposedly inside of us and no two scientists are saying the same thing!

And, you see Monika, we were talking about this yesterday, by them studying the fibers, which are an 'unknown' and all the research continues on the 'unknown'... this doesn't help us at all, we're producing 4 other specks of debris and the most important one - there is not ONE ounce of data to be found to tell us what it is! And, these other ones appear to be things that anti-fungals or antibiotics could easily eliminate, but, our doctors will not test our lesion debris to see what's in it, so, we're going without and our healths are being robbed from us, in the meantime.

They are keeping us in a state of anxiety, depression, uncertainty, knowing that some of us have quarantined ourselves away from our loved ones, we can't get any medical help, we've been labeled 'crazy', our families, friends and lovers/spouses are leaving us, our finances are dwindling, some of us are not able to work, we're losing our homes... etc - this is destroying people and yet... this continues, day after day! This is some of the worst abuse that anyone could endure, especially, if you do not have this under control!

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