Interesting Theorie

[Baraka Obam#2]

Most times it seems it is a man of one that pierces the vail of improbability when it comes to the scientific feild, one man. Albert Einstein, Galileo Galilei, Louis Pasteur, Leonardo da Vinci and many more. It has always been the loan wolf in science that finds the elusive answer, most likely with little or no previous information on the subject. I have a very funny feeling the man or woman that finds the answer to this, ends disease as we know it. The history of cancer treatment goes back to 1020BC and has not changed all that much since, chop, burn and poison. Will they spend the time to find the actual vector or will they have us on 50 symptom drugs. Thinking in this way you can see it may be the lone wolf that finds the answer as the drug companys like their trillions of dollars.

[2manyfibers]

Hey Sadsack – All I can go by is the information I have available to me including what was written by Jan Smith on her own web site. If there is information saying that Jan Smith’s samples were examined by MIT, I haven’t been able to find it anywhere. Maybe you have access to information I don't. However, it is Jan Smith that said on her own website that her samples were given to Dr. Staninger and that Dr. Karjoo examined them - she made no mention of MIT herself. Here is the direct quote from Jan Smith’s site that I posted above:

A year later the second knee was replaced and this time, Concord Hospital in Concord, New Hampshire made a series of pathology slides for Dr. Hildegarde Staninger who was at that time already researching Morgellon’s disease. She sent my pathology slides to Dr. Rahim Karjoo who made the following findings, which were later made public.

Additionally, from what is posted on Jan’s website, Dr. Karjoo’s statement indicates that he didn’t actually identify the silicon / silica using chemical identification with Raman spectroscopy or similar equipment – it notes that the fragments he looked at were “consistent” with silicon / silica. This clearly indicates that the fragments weren’t actually chemically determined to be silicon / silica – they were evaluated to be “consistent” with silica / silicon which indicates a visual comparison to me. Here’s the excerpt from Jan’s web page (which is linked to the following page):

New Lab Findings Point To Silicone/Silica and High Density Polyethlyene Fibers Causing Morgellons Disease

Chronic inflammation with fibrosis, calcification of the bone and surrounding soft tissue of the joint shows presence of crystalloid fragments consistent with silicone and silica. Further, a private study to determine the chemical and biological composition of fiber specimens taken from a second woman in Florida has shown that the fiber's outer casing is made up of high density polyethylene (HDPE). The fiber material is used commonly in the manufacture of fiber optics.

This excerpt also mentions the fiber optics opinion (it is noted that the substance was identified as HDPE and then it is noted that it is "commonly used in the manufacture of fiber optics" (which really doesn't mean that fiber optics was the actual source of the material at all when you think about it). As I noted previously, HDPE is only one of several materials that are used to “jacket” individual fibers of optical glass fiber. HDPE can be found in practically anything made of plastic which is obviously a huge amount of different things (including Ziploc bags). Silica / silicon / silicone are used in many thousands of products including fiber optics, computer chips, cookware, medical prosthetics, adhesives, sealants, food products (preservatives), beauty products, hair products and the list could go on and on. Thus, I don't see any valid reason that the HDPE and silica they found had to come from fiber optics – why was fiber optic cable singled out? The only reason I can think of is that fiber optics can be loosely tied to nanotechnology (which to me appears to be making an unfounded assumption to agree with a predetermined conclusion without evidence of either one).

You stated that “Morgellons needs petro to build it's stuff”. How do we know that when no one truly knows what Morgellons is at this point? I haven’t seen any actual research to indicate that Morgellons has definitively been proven to require petrochemicals as a factor of any kind – in fact, I haven’t seen any definitive information that much of anything is actually KNOWN about Morgellons. As far as your own silicon levels, although I’m not a scientist or a doctor, I think I do have a pretty fair guess about it. You had noted in a post on a different thread that you had used an awful lot of a product containing dimethicone (far more than recommended from what you posted) – dimethicone is made from silicone oil as is noted in the next link (with a brief excerpt). Although it is just a guess on my part (not being a "real" scientist), it seems to me that using excessive amounts of a product containing dimethicone might explain the high silicone levels in your system .

* Dimethicone - (Beauty): Definition

Dimethicone - a silicone oil used in hair and skin care products. Adds shine to the hair and a slippery feeling to skin products.

Like you and many other people, I read a lot of information from many sources regarding morgellons and I also have done a lot of research personally on the biology of the human body and how nutrition impacts it. I agree with you that answers for Morgellons will most likely come from SCIENTISTS eventually as you put it. However, I also think that laypersons can educate themselves effectively and they often have a unique perspective that scientists and doctors simply can’t have because it is not part of their training – I personally think you underestimate the potential of “non-scientists” being able to contribute valuable information. While I don’t consider myself to be a scientist per se, that doesn’t mean that I have no ability to question the validity of things that are passed off by others as scientific research. I do have a fair amount of education, experience and training in how to conduct valid scientific experiments – based on my own engineering and scientific background, Dr. Staninger’s experiments simply do not meet the basic, established criteria of being valid, objective scientific experiments.

I have found very little if any independent information available on Dr. Staninger’s background and credentials and in the only “published papers” I have found from her, she uses herself and her own work as scientific references an awful lot (which is generally not considered to be valid references in the scientific realm – citing your own work doesn’t provide independent validation). The “reports” she posted on Rense really don’t hold up to critical examination based on accepted scientific principles if you look at them objectively. The first time I read her “reports” on Rense, they did seem to have an air of credibility, but the more I read the information the more I realized that it really wasn’t very credible based on any stringent scientific perspective. Here are a few things I noted from her “reports” on Rense that cannot be considered to be valid from a scientific perspective:

• Sample integrity was basically non-existent in most cases – samples collected and mailed in by anyone using no established criteria based on the information available.

• In most cases she doesn’t state which lab examined the individual samples. She lists 4 labs including MIT as being used but only one sample was noted to have specifically been tested by MIT. I personally think listing all four labs in the “heading” of every “report” was to give the impression that MIT was involved in the testing more than they actually were. If she thought the meteorite sample was contaminated, why did she send it to MIT for testing? That doesn’t make any sense to me.

• EVERYTHING being “tested” was compared to what she called the “original golden-head” – there is no mention where the “original golden-head” came from or why everything was compared to it. Comparing everything to such an imagined “gold standard” prevents objective analysis and inquiry (no valid scientific experiment searching for something would use a predetermined outcome for comparison). Apparently the decision had already been made by Dr. Staninger that the “original golden-head” (whatever it is and wherever it came from) was the culprit in Morgellons before the experiments were even carried out. Her “reports” seem more to me like she is trying to prove her own conclusions about the cause of Morgellons rather than actually trying to objectively determine what is the cause or characteristics of Morgellons.

• Conclusions are drawn and assumptions are made by Dr. Staninger without real evidence or complete information (for instance, assuming that fiber optic cable rather than the host of other products that contain these substances is the cause of the HDPE and silica that Staninger associates with Morgellons is a prime example of this). Many samples were mostly made of things common to human biology like oxygen, sulfur, silica, carbon, etc. – this seems to be ignored for the most part by Dr. Staninger in favor of highlighting substances (even in very small amounts) that fit into her own predetermined notions about what Morgellons is or isn’t.

• Dr. Staninger and Dr. Karjoo apparently collaborated on the testing but they apparently reached different conclusions on how to treat Morgellons based on the same testing. Dr. Karjoo appears to have started recommending nutrasilver as a treatment (which seems to indicate he thinks that Morgellons has a “natural” biological component) while Dr. Staninger appears to have started recommending oxyopaline among other things including Far Infrared (FIR) Sauna treatments (detoxification appears to be her real focus for every condition).

If you want to believe that Dr. Staninger has Morgellons all figured out that’s fine with me – I simply have a different opinion than you do apparently. My opinion is based on my own views of how the research is being done and my opinion is formed only from the information that I have access to. As I stated before, I simply hope that someone figures this mystery out soon for the sake of all that suffer from it. At this point, I just don’t personally have a lot of confidence in some of the people that are currently involved or the research they have done based on what has been made public.

[lamb]

Just an FYI to all.... WHOI (Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute) and MIT are not officially linked, academia however is a very small world. All funding formerly based on old WASP family legacies and bequeaths tied up in a century's worth of "co-operation" in the same state. Who knows?

[tcmgpt13]

Home page of the former Capital University Of Integrative Medicine (maintained I assume for "alumni") the school from which Staninger was issued a "doctorate." On this page you can see that it was only licensed as a school and had no accreditation. This is how adult education courses are run by different states. In no way could this “university” be viewed as a serious academic center of learning. No accreditation reveals that this school did not have top notch professors for to attract such faculty a school would have to be accredited. In other words the academic curriculum and/or faculty of this school did not meet requirements for academic accreditation. Other schools which have such licensing are barber colleges, beauty schools, schools of cosmetology or auto mechanics:

“From 1996 to 2006, CUIM served as a licensed graduate professional university and the only resident institution of higher education in the United States with a curriculum of widely diverse integrative health therapies. Following a decade of service, CUIM graduated its final class of students, and closed June, 2006.”

CUIM Home Page

From Quackwatch. I don’t always agree with what this site says, but in this case I think I agree that the person who founded this “university” has a rather murky background:

The CFCM was launched in 1972 as the CFCCT, incorporated in February 1973, and assumed its current name in 1984 [1]. At around the same time, Bradford also founded the Robert Bradford Research Institute; the Robert W. Bradford Foundation; American Biologics-Mexico (a hospital in Tijuana); a pharmaceutical firm called American Biologics. Later he founded a nonaccredited school called Capitol University of Integrative Medicine. All except the hospital and school were located at the same address in Chula Vista, California. In 1999, American Biologics stopped licensing its name to the Mexican facility and began operating a new one [2].

“The Capital University of Integrative Medicine (CUIM), a nonaccredited school headquartered in Washington, D.C., was founded by Robert Bradford and three others. Its offerings included "Doctor of Integrated Medicine" and "Master of Integrated Health Science" programs. Its first graduating class (December 199 included 7 medical doctors, 5 dentists, 4 physical therapists, 4 naturopaths, and 7 others [27]. Bradford served as "Professor of Medicine/Chairman, Dept. of Oxidology, Microbiology and Microscopy." In December 2000, CUIM awarded an honorary "doctor of humanities degree" to U.S. Representative Dan Burton (R-IN), quackery's best friend in Congress. CUIM officially closed its operations as of June 30, 2006 but it appears to have stopped functioning in 2003. “

http://www.quackwatch.org/04Consumer...corg/cfcm.html

More about Robert Bradford who founded Captial “University” of Integrative Medicine. Note how the product which killed the woman mentioned here was made by American Biologics, a company also owned by Bradford:

Lyme scammers arrested. Robert W. Bradford, C.R.B., Inc. (d/b/a American Biologics), C.R.B.'s chief operating officer Brigitte G. Bird, and John R. Toth, M.D. have been charged with a total of 25 counts of conspiring to violate federal food and drug laws and defraud individuals seeking medical care. The indictment states that Bradford, C.R.B., and Bird marketed bogus Lyme disease products and a microscope falsely claimed to diagnose the disease. Toth, who used the microscope/product system in his office surrendered his medical license in 2006 and is is serving a 40-month prison sentence for manslaughter related to the death of a woman whom he falsely diagnosed with Lyme disease and treated with a dangerous product sold by American Biologics. In a separate case, Carl E. Haese, owner/operator of The Haese Clinic of Integrative Medicine in Las Cruces, New Mexico, has been charged with fraud in connection with using Bradford's system. [Barrett S. Lyme disease quack arrested. Casewatch, June 30, 2009]

Bradford, 77, has a long history of quackery-related activities. [Barrett S. A close look at Robert Bradford and his Committee for Freedom of Choice in Medicine. Quackwatch, June 30, 2009] In 1977, he and three others were convicted of conspiring to smuggle laetrile (a quack cancer remedy) from Mexico into the United States. In 1986, a U.S. Court of Appeals upheld a tax court assessment of more than $2 million in income taxes and penalties against Bradford for not reporting the income from his smuggling operation. In 1984, 1986, 1988, and 2004, the FDA took various actions against products that American Biologics marketed with illegal claims. For many years, Bradford owned, operated, and/or served as a consultant at a Mexican clinic that purported to treat cancer and other serious diseases. In the late 1990s, he founded and served as "professor of medicine" at The Capital University of Integrative Medicine, a nonaccredited "medical" school that offered a "Doctor of Integrated Medicine" degree."

Consumer Health Digest, July 2, 2009 __________________

[tcmgpt13]

Again from Quack Watch. Again I do not agree with every statement made here, such as the fact that this person does not think any alternative medicine has merit even if it is being taught in prestigious accredited universities, but I do agree that obtaining a "degree" from a non-accredited school is questionable, especially in the case of "Capital University of Integrative Medicine" where the founder appears to have a checkered background:

"If it is a school, is it accredited by a recognized agency? Accreditation constitutes public recognition that an educational program meets the administrative, organizational, and financial criteria of a recognized agency. In the United States, educational standards for schools are set by a network of agencies approved by the U.S. Office of Education (USOE) or the Council on Recognition of Postsecondary Accreditation (CORPA). USOE or CORPA do not accredit individual schools, but they approve the national and regional agencies that do so. Almost all such agencies are voluntary and nongovernmental. Accreditation enables credits to be transferable from one school to another and is used as a basis for entering various professions. Lack of accreditation of a health-related school should be considered a very bad sign.

I have never encountered a nonaccredited school that issued health credentials that did not promote misinformation. Of course, neither accreditation nor affiliation with an otherwise reputable university provides any guarantee of reliability. The U.S. Secretary of Education has recognized agencies that accredit schools of chiropractic, astrology, acupuncture/oriental medicine, massage, and naturopathy with little regard to the validity of what they teach. Moreover, many universities promote health-related nonsense in addition to sound science. Temple University's Center for Frontier Sciences and Columbia University's Richard and Hinda Rosenthal Center for Alternative and Complementary Medicine are examples of bad components of basically good institutions."

Questionable Organizations: An Overview

[2manyfibers]

Cureme,

I haven’t posted on the forum for well over a year now and your childish, deliberately insulting post toward me is a perfect example of why I haven’t posted in so long. Some people simply want to display their own ignorance and ill manners rather than contribute something of use to others. I do still read the forum occasionally for entertainment as much as anything these days. When I read your ill-informed, misguided insults toward me I decided I simply could not let your post go unanswered. I notice that you didn’t actually address ANYTHING I stated in my analysis, obviously because you CAN’T ACTUALLY REFUTE ANTYHING I SAID WITH LOGIC OR FACTS! Thus, as many people do when they actually CANNOT ARGUE FACTS, you regressed to juvenile personal attacks against someone you know absolutely nothing about.

I just noticed on another thread that you said people were wrong and mean for saying anything about someone they didn’t know - is that “rule” for everyone EXCEPT YOU? Judging by your post to me it would appear that you believe that you (and other myrmidons that agree with your unquestioning and slavish promotion of Staninger) are the only people that are allowed to insult others on this forum without “knowing them”.

First, you certainly owe Einstein a huge apology and you also owe me and many third graders an apology for implying that Staninger knows more than we do (I’ll explain why you owe us an apology a bit later in this post so that even you can understand). To answer your question to me regarding my “scientific background”, my background is SUPER DUPER DOUBLE TOP SECRET and I am not at liberty to divulge this information ………..does it sound as dodgy and ridiculous when I say that to you as it does when you claim the same nonsense about Staninger in your posts? It certainly should if you have any objectivity. If Staninger’s “scientific background” is supposedly such a closely guarded “state secret” as you imply, why was she at liberty to divulge her background to you? If you want to know my “scientific background” you can read the posts I’ve made as I have mentioned my education and background in multiple posts. I am confident that my educational credentials would compare quite favorably to Staninger’s because the degrees I have earned are from well respected, fully accredited institutions of higher learning – not fly-by night, unaccredited diploma mills that award any degree you desire if you pay for it.

Here’s a question for you – are you one of Staninger’s PAID minions (what Staninger calls her “internet marketing team”) that troll around on Morgellons forums trying to promote her and her “protocol” and to discredit anyone that has the temerity to disagree with her nonsensical rubbish or are you simply someone that is so emotionally fragile that you can’t bear to objectively and rationally examine the utterly ridiculous theories of someone that you apparently idolize?

I have noticed over the last couple of months that all of the active Morgellons forums seem to have several posters now that are aggressively pushing Staninger and her outlandish theory (and of course her “cure” and protocol) and I’m sure this is not by mistake. None are so blind as those who REFUSE to see ……….or to paraphrase a bit, none are so blind as those that are actually PAID TO NOT SEE (which I think is more likely the case with you). Thus, if you refuse to SEE the actual truth as is proven by Staninger’s own words (and it ain’t the nonsense she is pushing herself), no amount of actual facts and evidence that I or anybody else presented to you would be able to help you see or admit the actual facts of this matter.

Now to the points I have addressed previously in this thread that your own recent post to me unwittingly proves:

First, I have stated that people who don’t have an education and background in a scientific discipline (like you obviously) might be easily duped by people like Staninger that cobble together a bit of techno-babble with some medical double-speak as a means of creating a confusing, false paradigm to apparently deceive sick, desperate and gullible people (more gullible than they might be if they weren’t so sick and desperate) into believing a literal fairy tale. Without the background and education to recognize what complete nonsense she appears to be ridiculously claiming as being “proven fact” these days (when it really isn’t even a credible theory by any stretch of the imagination), some people might simply think that what Staninger says sounds “really scientific” and she does have several letters after her name so she must know what she is talking about ……. sadly, nothing could be further from the truth.

From all I have seen, the actual words Staninger speaks and writes have NO VALID MEANING whatsoever in the context of reality or logical scientific thinking. In Staninger’s own words she stated that someone SENT her a sample (apparently through the mail according to what she wrote) that the person BELEIVED was skin that “fell off her foot”. Staninger sent this sample to a lab and the lab results PROVED THAT THIS SAMPLE WAS MAINLY HDPE – NOT SKIN. If Staninger were actually a brilliant, credible scientist that you claim she is she would have reached the ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION POSSIBLE and recognized that the person that sent her the sample was simply mistaken in thinking the piece of plastic that “fell off her foot” was skin. What are the ONLY ACTUAL FACTS here? A sample was tested by a laboratory and determined to be HDPE! EVERYTHING ELSE STATED IS PURE CONJECTURE THAT IS SUPPORTED BY NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER!

AS PROVEN BY STANINGER’S OWN LAB TESTS the sample tested was ACTUALLY A SMALL PIECE OF PLASTIC that “fell off” the woman’s foot – pieces of skin do not just “fall off” your foot, but plastic that was stuck on your foot would and could at some point (and there is a picture shown in the report that shows that it is clearly a pink-tinted piece of plastic rather than skin). However, Staninger BLATANTLY IGNORED WHAT HER OWN LAB REPORT ACTUALLY SHOWED (that the sample was a readily identifiable plastic RATHER THAN SKIN) and with NO EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND concocted the wildly ridiculous, nonsensical blather that the sample was actually plastic that had been produced in human skin as part of a supposed fiber optic network being created by nano-sized “robots” that have infiltrated the human body. This is NOT SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH AT ALL but instead wildly ridiculous speculation based on NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING.

- continued in next post

[2manyfibers]

Secondly, the following quote from your post provides clear evidence that Staninger doesn’t have the slightest idea what she is talking about regarding the technology she claims is involved in Morgellons – here is a quote from your post:

“The fibers are transmitters of electricity. Such as a fiber optic network. Adding a silver is adding to the conductivity of the nanomaterials”.

So Staninger is apparently claiming that the fibers in Morgellons are actually optical fibers that TRANSMIT ELECTRICITY and that silicone and HDPE are some of the main materials in play in Morgellons. Here’s a quick science lesson for you – optical fiber DOES NOT AND CANNOT TRANSMIT ELECTRICITY OR ELECTRICAL SIGNALS …… OPTICAL FIBER TRANSMITS ONLY LIGHT!

Optical fiber is made of ultra-pure glass which comes from silica …. NOT SILICONE. GLASS DOES NOT CONDUCT ELECTRICITY (and neither does plastic of which HDPE is a type). Therefore, THE FIBERS CANNOT POSSIBLY TRANSMIT ELECTRICITY AND ELECTRICAL CONDUCTIVITY CLEARLY PLAYS NO ROLE WHATSOEVER IN OPTICAL FIBER ……….. PERIOD ………… END OF STORY (glass and plastics are actually used as insulators to prevent electricity from flowing into undesired places)!

Optical fiber is basically useless unless it has very sophisticated electronics attached at either end to convert electrical signals into LIGHT to be transmitted across the fiber and more very sophisticated electronics to convert the light back to electrical signals – it is not even conceivable in the wildest of imaginations that nanotechnology could produce such sophisticated equipment, much less optical fiber. If it actually were possible, don’t you think that the manufacturers of the extremely sophisticated optical fiber and electronic equipment that makes it useful would fire all their engineers and just buy a bunch of “nano-bots” to make all the very complex equipment?

If electronic signals could actually be produced in the body by this nanotechnology as is proposed by Staninger’s science fiction, why on earth would it be converted to light (in order to be used by the fiber optic network she claims is being created) and then back to an electrical signal when much of the functioning of the human body is based on electrical signals to begin with RATHER THAN LIGHT? Uhhhhhh ……the answer is that “THEY” (whoever “they is”) WOULDN’T EVEN IF THEY COULD (WHICH THEY CAN’T) BECAUSE IT WOULD BE OF NO ADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER TO ANYONE!

Physics clearly proves that what Staninger has obviously told you about “silver adding to the conductivity of the optical fibers created by the nanotechnology” is COMPLETE AND UTTER RUBBISH because OPTICAL FIBER SIMPLY CANNOT CONDUCT ELECTRICITY! Staninger offered NO EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND as to why she claims that the HDPE supposedly came from optical fibers (or anything else for that matter)! Thus, it is more than obvious to anyone familiar with the basic laws of physics and any scientific / technological knowledge of electronics and optical technology that STANINGER’S WILD THEORIES HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS IN FACT OR REALITY – THEY ARE COMPLETE AND UTTER HOGWASH!

I’ve never personally met Staninger and don’t care to – she may be a perfectly nice individual on a personal level, but BASED ON HER OWN WRITING AND WHAT SHE WRONGLY CALLS “SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH” as she posted on the Rense website she is NOT A CREDIBLE SCIENTIST AT ALL! What she has posted on Rense is in fact the OPPOSITE OF SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH – IT IS WILDLY RIDICULOUS SPECULATION AND CONJECTURE BASED ON NOTHING!

Just to provide you with a bit of information on why I think I am qualified to comment on this subject, as part of my extensive experience as an engineer I have watched optical fiber being made, I have watched optical fibers being spliced together in the field, I have personally designed several thousand miles of optical fiber networks, I have been deeply involved in the design, manufacturing, implementation and support of optical network equipment / optical networks and I have instructed several classes on optical fiber technology. Thus, I believe I am fairly well qualified to address this issue here – I am absolutely certain that I am far more qualified than Staninger to discuss the issue of fiber optics from a scientific / technological perspective.

By the way, you are also misinformed about Dr. Karjoo and silver. Here is a link to an article where Dr. Karjoo is noted to be supporting the use of silver to address Morgellons and if you bother to do a Google search you can find many more. Maybe he doesn’t have “the inside information” on Morgellons like Staninger to know any better after all …….. I guess Staninger will have to “reprogram” him on it.

Brave Dentist Discusses With Dr. Rahim Karjoo How Nutrasilver Saved Her Life

Based on all this, your lame attempt to compare Staninger to Einstein is truly hilarious ......... ............... . I am also certain that I and many actual third graders KNOW FOR A SCIENTIFIC FACT THAT GLASS CANNOT CONDUCT OR TRANSMIT ELECTRICITY which Staninger apparently doesn’t understand or comprehend based on her ridiculous “theory”. I am also more than certain that Albert Einstein was very well aware of this rudimentary SCIENTIFIC FACT, yet Staninger appears to be completely oblivious to it! Thus, your attempted comparison obviously does far more to insult third-graders than make anyone believe that Staninger is in any way comparable to Einstein.

America is still a free country (at least for the time being), so you are free to believe whatever you want and you can spend your money any way you see fit. I simply hope that other desperate people that read what I’ve posted will gain some benefit by using the information I have provided so they can make a more informed decision before deciding to follow the wildly ridiculous theories of someone that clearly has no clue about what she is promoting. Regardless of what her “recommended treatment for every ailment” is I certainly would never trust my own health or money to anyone that could dream up the ridiculous nonsense she’s posted in various places as being the supposed cause of Morgellons! Therefore, I also clearly won’t be hanging around for years to come waiting on Staninger or her disciples to “cure” me as you intimated in your recent little nastygram to me in this thread.