Meth Revisited.

[quimninja]

thats no problem i understand not wanting to talk about it,
my point was to say that if you`ve been witness to a large explostion, then you most definatly will have morgs just might not display symptoms or ignor the very basic symptoms and assumes they are normal, alot of morgs sufferers have better than average perception skills ie:notice every single thing that goes on around them.
if you get cuts etc, do they heal exceptionally fast exceptionally slow or like they did before GW <------just ones of the observations but havent really got time to list them all, anyway i dont expect you would believe me but i`m just putting this out there.

[pat]

Thanks for the clarification offamychain.I have had no contact with this sort of stuff,so am somewhat in ignorance of these type of things.The folk that live near me are all elderly and I expect the high they get is from senokot, and we don't have any water around either.Just tons of green mold.and black fungus.

[offamychain]

Originally Posted by quimninja

my point was to say that if you`ve been witness to a large explostion, then you most definatly will have morgs......................anyway i dont expect you would believe me but i`m just putting this out there.

Well, I wouldn't be so bold as to say I don't BELIEVE you.....that's kinda rude. But I will say that I disagree with this specific statement up there ^^^^^^^^^^ .

That's getting WAY too generalized about the cause of Morgellons. There's over a million individuals who have served in the Gulf region since the invasion of Kuwait. From personal observation, I know that a large percentage of those have been pretty close to large explosions....voluntary or involuntary.

Soldiers burn confiscated armament, blow up facilities that Iraq is not allowed to have per U.N. resolutions....then burn the remains, incinerate contents of old artillery shells, etc.

Just to make it easy, say 1/4 of those who have been there were close witness's to some major explosion or burn.....that's 250,000 individual persons.

There's not even a significant percentage of those 250,000 that are displaying any symptoms resembling Morgellons.

I respect your opinions....really do....but this is one type of thing that the Morgellon community must be VERY careful NOT to do if they want to have proper research on the disease done in the future.

When you start generalizing & claiming entire groups of people will someday be "infected", a great deal of credibility will be lost then.

Another example of where this could easily come into play is mentioned by pat. I'm an electrician & we sometimes turn down jobs that are in an area with high mold/mildew/fungus growth......say, if we notice that in an old closet, attic, basement, or crawlspace. We'll tell the client to clean it up a bit & we'll come back to finish the job. This has been a known health hazard for quite a while & any trademan that makes his living in dark, dirty places knows to be on the lookout for it.

Same with a house contaminated with Radon gas, although the hazard here is totally different than the mold hazard. Some utility-type workers have even gone as far as to buy their own radiacmeter or geiger counter.....if it beeps, they don't go in.

But it wasn't always this way. Until about 25-30 years ago or so, these guys didn't really pay any attention to the stuff & barged on in......see mold, oh well, brush it off with an old board & keep working. Because of this, many old electricians have chronic health problems from breathing too much of the stuff.

But you can't just automatically say that electricians who work around mold, mildew, & fungus, in a dark, wet environment, will eventually get Morgellons.....just doesn't work that way. Most likely, the percentage of that group who have the disease is probably about the same amount as any other type group of people.....even IF the mold/mildew/fungus/dampness is one of the catalysts that set the disease in motion.

See what I'm saying??

[Kritters]

Offamychain...
(love that name, by the way. It implies to me that you are no longer inhibited to speak or act against your will)

".......on our money (the most contaminated paper in the world), etc. "

I never thought of that! ewww. scary. I am, fortunately, always conscious of handling money (or anything for that matter) without washing my hands. Yes, I'm becoming a major germophobic and PROUD OF IT!

Something occurred to me. I'm wondering when the term D.O.P. began. I'm also interested in the association (negatively) given to Morgellons sufferers and using the comparison of Meth users also having D.O.P. Just as people who have Morgellons and autoimmune diseases suffer from CFS and depression are told that is what is contributing to the cause of their 'psychological' problems~~~when in fact their psychological problems as well as CFS are caused by pathogens, telling patients their symptoms are similar to those of meth users, and thereby rendering them ALL DOP buddies of the same club~~~when in fact....possibly.....the presence of meth does, in fact, ALONG WITH OTHER POSSIBLE CHEMICALS AND TOXINS, create chronic skin/systemic disorders that are unexplainable. So, maybe the 'meth' users DO, in fact have Morgellons.

So, I'm saying that the chemicals you refer to are absolutely potentially problematic in some cases, of creating the Morgellons diseases we have. The very fact that meth is as ubiquitous as you say it is (wow...scary) is another environmental disease-creating toxin.

Kritts

[offamychain]

Glad you understood where I was going with that theory. In no way was I trying to connect Meth USERS with Morgellons sufferers....I know better than that. It was/is just a working theory about a possible cause of Morgellons. EVERY avenue should be open to exploration until the cause is found, perhaps except the very wildest conspiracy theories. Using these to try to explain Morgellons could eventually be detrimental to real scientific research. (Example: Few scientists/biologists/doctors are going to devote much time to your cause if you state that it was brought about when you were abducted by aliens in 1972 & they used a neuro-stimulating raygun to stimulate your sexual organs, which mutated your entire DNA code.....that type of story just won't work.)

"Offamychain, an obvious play-of-words on Off-Of-My-Chain, is actually an old military nickname. As a once extreme Type A obsessive personality type (not now....I'm a teddy-bear), I had a nasty habit of getting myself into stupid situations that wouldn't have occured if my buddies had just kept me "chained up".

[pat]

[QUOTE=. (Example: Few scientists/biologists/doctors are going to devote much time to your cause if you state that it was brought about when you were abducted by aliens in 1972 & they used a neuro-stimulating raygun to stimulate your sexual organs, which mutated your entire DNA code.....that type of story just won't work.)

I say, I never thought about using that for my rich and interesting past.What a great idea I'll use it as my excuse.LOL

Offamychain conjures up to me, a pitbull.But obviously without lipstick.LOL

[browncircles]

I had morgellons lesions on my face in 1979. I have never done or even seen any meth but everyone could be exposed like you said.

I also think that the people who do meth and have "meth bugs" whatever actually have morgellons. What's the connection? I have NO idea. Our personal "electricity" is off balance?

I have taken a truckload of Actifed for allergies in my lifetime starting around 76-78. They changed the formula now.

[-----------]

I sort of read thru this 'theory' and there's a few things that don't add up. I hope I read the article right... it was quite long.

1. Is the first documented case of this in the 1600's - Meth wasn't around then.

2. Did the 2 year old baby that first contracted it in 2002, from which the mother named the disease - do Meth? Was Meth around then?

3. There are many children with this disease - that have had no access to nor been in contact wit Meth in any way.

4. And, a lot of people with this disease have never done Meth nor any kind of street drugs.

5. If Meth from the environment were the cause, more people in a given area would have it - as far as we know, people within the same city - live randomly and not in clusters.

[Kritters]

Kammy,
You need to go through some of the archived material on this forum. There is a ton of information the members here have spent aeons of time researching and contributing.
In fact, start with the beginning of this thread up 'til your post. Read more carefully.
Kritters

p.s. 2002? ummm, yes....meth was around then.

[chester]

Kammy...i agree with you that the reports of describing this affliction...long ago....need to be remembered in context of what we are seeing today. It is those reports that best described the sores that i was finding and removing on my dogs. I saw the black specks embedded in the skin pores. I saw some of the pores coated in clear ooze that were sealing a larger area. I saw larger areas that became coated above the skin in flesh looking mounds with black hairs growing out of them. Some became red and opened at the top and spewed out trickles of blood and white and black specks. Some had grown flat on the skin, with a rim and callus covering ..and ulcer underneath that bled when opened and eventually erroded using Sovereign Silver spray each day on them...for months. I saw the black specks, with application of silver....respond by sending a sharp glass like fiber up out of the pore. In rubbing it off...that pore became healed. The mothers who in the past ....would rub various cococtions on their babies skin to remove the black hairs(and for me...the creations on the dogs that had progressed).....was exactly describing what i was seeing and doing on the dogs skin. This awareness, for me,eliminates many theories....and defines an environmental irritant that may have increased over the years...or at times....and has nothing to do with who we are , nor is about us at all. It is all about what IT is...and why it is in the environment....and how to errode it from surviving on and in skin. If this focus could shift from diet and products, pity and grief...to identification of anatomy and removal...a new kind of skin irritation could be defined that has been around for a long long time. It is time to get to the bottom of this. The babies and animals that need our help certainly are the motivating factor that pulls me out of feeling helpless against this.