Evidence pointing towards immune system hyper-activity

[Gator]

Originally Posted by verba1

Hi folks. Yes this is verbal from long ago, but I can't seem to get my account to work (if you could email me my login and password that'd be great

So, latest Morgie happenings: The continuous ebb and flow, inching towards victory has been the rule until lately. A week or two ago, I got infected. Well, I got some virus - gave me that funny taste in my mouth, hacking up snot, etc. Just my luck, I acquired a staph infection on my chin - golf ball of puss and other nastiness. Kinda made me look like a Hapsburg (for all you history buffs). So, obviously, the immune system was working overtime. Strangely, instead of thriving, my sores have begun rapidly healing and no new sites have emerged?

At present, the cold/virus or whatever is mostly cleared up. I get occasional hints of the taste and my sinuses are a little overactive. The chin infection has reduced to 3 overlapping marbles. My arms look like a negative of the night sky over a mid sized city - with tiny stars being the tiny scabs of nearly healed sores. Maybe 3 or 4 nearly healed spots on either leg, and 1 remaining spot on my face. My chest is clear and my belly has 7 small receding scabs. It's not so much the number (i've always had plenty of sores to go around) of sores, but that none are 'active' and they are all so small. Just little dots!

So what? I've been able to identify only two concurrent events which may have cause this rapid and pervasive reversal. I've been colon cleansing with a powder product for roughly 4 months (a week or two btwn months), and immediately preceding my Morgie gains, I had some "very significant gains" in my cleansing (saw god once or twice, dropped an inch or two round the waist). So, it's possible that my toxicity levels dropped significantly (the stuff was Nasty!) freeing up immune resources... The other possibility is that the simultaneous and sizable infections consumed a good portion of my immune system's resources. This demand thereby reduced my system's ability to over-react to the Morg disturbances - limiting it's response to a beneficial level (as it should be). Once my two add-on infections are all healed, if the Morgs starts reemerging, then this second possibility will demand some serious testing.

Well, what do y'all think?
-v

Hi Verbal,

Welcome back. My thinking is you may be right about an over-active immune system. your theory sounds feasible to me. Please let us know if your theory proves out. I have not had a cold or pneumonia in years . I used to have 2-3 each year. Maybe our immune sytems being too high is behind auto-immune diseases.

About the vaccines, I do not take any vaccines simply because I don't trust the drug companies, FDA, USDA or the government. I'm not even sure if I trust the doctors either. It all seems to be about greed and control of the masses.




Would someone please pm me and walk me thru posting and getting on shoutbox in very simple terms? I got so confused with the changes from the old forum that I just read, but couldn't post because I didn't know how. I finally figured out how to reply. I cannot find things the way I could on the old forum. Are items just left for 30 days now?

Thanks.
Gator

[verba1]

Hi folks. Thank you for the warm welcomes.

Kritters - on seeing god... hmm, how to put this... in pursuit of a goal, when some part of the process of attaining that goal s - t - r - e - t - c - h - e - s us to our limits and can require one to summons inner strength usually reserved for only the most life-threatening moments, the experience often consits of an unusual combination of pain-relief-joy; immediately followed by total exhaustion, and on special occasion, visual abnormalities and strong light-headedness. That's what I mean by seeing god. Make any sense?

Pat - i too get the feeling that there is a morgie stronghold up in my sinuses.
Flu shots? Never had one. Never will. Never get the flu (knock on wood).

Jonsi - that is an underepresented viewpoint - that our immune systems are doing just fine. I agree that it's entirely possible that we're simply up against a formidable opponent and the fact that it isn't killing us is a testament to the strength of our immune systems. In support of this, I can say that prior to 2003 my immune system and my bodies regenerative abilities were nothing short of amazing. Wounds healed so fast I was suprised i couldn't see the new tissue appearing with my naked eye. Illnesses consisted of getting the feeling I might be comming down with something and that's it. I consider this to be the result of beyond a daily shower, I have never been concerned with avoiding bugs/bacteria. I'll be around anyone, eat virtually anything, and am a little neglectful about hand washing - and until morgs, through massive drug addictions, smoking, and poor diet, my health was never a problem or issue.

RaeinCo - if i'm understanding correctly, I'll say yes. what I'm referring to are things that basically have been a part of me for quite some time and are in the process of being even further broken down by me and whatever other organisms.

Gator - yeah, we'll just have to wait and see. i'll keep posting as things develop of course.

love to all of you!
-v

[tcmgpt13]

Hi Verbal,

I would have to say that I do not think my immune system is that strong. I have always been a person who caught colds and flu. For years my white blood count has been on the very low end of normal, so I do not think everyone has an overactive immune system. I do have allergies though, and there is some immune system dysfunction involved with that.

Yeah, the morgies do hide in the nose, mainly because I think they are in the mucus found there. It may be the way they spread down to the stomach and intestines, as invariably some of this drips down the back of the throat. I think it is coming up to the nose in one stage of its existence from the lung.

I think it is also possible we lack an enzyme in our body that those who do not show symptoms have. The reason our bodies cannot totally kill this parasite IMHO is because it is capable of disguising itself at some stages of its existence and is able to hide from not only our immune system but also from whatever we use to rid ourselves of it. I think this could happen whether the immune system were super strong, strong or weak. This parasite could be like the malaria bug at one stage and be able to hide within the blood cells in the liver. Just a guess. Something like that anyway.

Another thing, I think this stuff has chitin at some stages of its life cycle, maybe even in the blood stream when it is small. It seems malaria bugs do. It is very hard to dissolve chitin and if the insect has chitin in the body (well I am pretty sure mine do--I can see them as they are macroscopic at one stage) it may very well act as a shield to protect it from the Western and herbal wormers that are employed to kill it. Solve the problem of dissolving the chitin it has and I think that Morgellons parasites could be controlled or even eradicated. Perhaps this bug is able to hide at more than one level and in more than one way. Just my thoughts...

[Kritters]

Hey TC...

This sounds like it could be the mycoplasma Godsgrace is talking about.

Kritts

[Natalie]

Ive been doing my homework on Mycoplasmosis. Makes sense that they cant name or find the infections with all our complaints of pain and nausea. Theres no blood test for this bacteria.

In my dreams I have been taken to my liver and kidneys to observe the challenges. A few spirit voices were sad for me but felt I was still ok. Thanks guys!!!

Thought forms matter and Jonsi is a positive voice!! Love you dear.

[tcmgpt13]

Every disease organism which is capable of hiding from the body's defenses is not a mycoplasma infection IMHO. Although mycoplasma could be involved in some cases of those with chronic illnesses it is not the only organism which can cause prolonged and difficult to treat symptoms. It is not the sole answer to illness or doctors would not have to work so hard to cure different types of illnesses. I do not think that mycoplasmas are exactly the same as chitin. Chitin could be part of a cell wall in fungi or bacteria. It seems that mycoplasma do not have cell walls which is what I think makes them hard to identify and which helps them hide from the body's defenses.

Viruses are hard to cure too. Some of them are lipid coated, making it very easy for them to evade body defenses as well:

Lipid Sciences: Techology

"Lipid-enveloped viruses represent one of the two major classes of viruses. Lipid-enveloped viruses possess a lipid coat while non-lipid-coated viruses, the other class, do not. The lipid coat surrounds the protein structure and genetic material of the virus and helps protect the virus from recognition by the immune system.

The Viral Immunotherapy process makes the viral proteins more visible to the body's host-defense system. As such, Viral Immunotherapy may provide a basis for treating patients infected by a wide variety of lipid-coated viruses. A virus stripped of its protective lipid coat and exposure of its viral proteins may provoke an enhanced immune system response. Various delipidated viruses have been shown in animal studies to provide cellular and/or antibody responses and even protection upon viral exposure. For example, Viral Immunotherapy-treated Hepatitis B virus has been successfully used to vaccinate and protect young ducklings. Lipid Sciences' strategy is to pursue therapeutic applications of the Viral Immunotherapy technology in patients already infected with lipid-coated viruses."

Since water too is being found as a tentative source of morgellons symptoms I thought this little abstract on how viruses may be pathogenic in drinking water biofilms interesting:

CJO - Abstract - Pathogenic viruses in drinking-water biofilms: a public health risk?

Pathogenic viruses in drinking-water biofilms: a public health risk?

"Biofilms in drinking-water distribution systems may accumulate human pathogenic viruses. Viruses that attach to biofilm are removed from the water phase improving the water quality. However, if released in slough, it may still present a risk of infection. This review describes the available data on the presence of pathogenic viruses in drinking-water biofilms. First, biofilms of distribution systems potentially contribute to viral contamination of tap water only if infectious viruses are present initially in the water, which has been shown in several recent studies. However, only one out of three field studies showed the presence of infectious enteroviruses in natural biofilms from drinking-water networks. The presence of pathogenic viruses in biofilms points to the ability of these viruses to attach to biofilms. This has also been shown in pilot-scale studies in which bacteriophages and vaccine poliovirus strains were spiked into water and could be eluted from artificial biofilms. Reported attachment rates vary greatly and may depend on many factors such as the biofilm characteristics, the virus strain and the efficiency of viral recovery from biofilms. One study reported biphasic viral inactivation in biofilms with rapid initial inactivation followed by slow inactivation, implying that some of the attached viruses are able to remain infectious for a longer time. In several laboratory experiments, virus attachment to biofilms has been reported under various conditions; however, although detachment of sloughs in distribution systems has been observed, the presence of viruses in these sloughs was not studied. Here, we discuss the possible presence of infectious pathogenic viruses in sloughs; the extent to which these will pose a health risk remains to be investigated.
(Published Online June 21 2005)"

Biofilms may form on chitin. Bacteria, viruses, mycoplasmas and fungi can form biofilms. To say every part of morgellons is due to a mycoplasma infection seems a bit narrow in scope. Morgellons appears to be a complex illness. Not everyone even seems to have the same type of infection or parasite involved. Biofilms are caused by organisms other than mycoplasmas. Personally I like leaving the door open to more than just mycoplasma infections as being involved in our symptoms.

A fly with chitin, that I can see. I can see organisms such as a parasite or a marine plankton containing chitin. I have yet to see a mycoplasma fly, take that as you will as either a flying mycoplasma or a fly made of mycoplasma.

[Natalie]

I agree whole heartedly! These things are flying! Theyre in the air they smack right into my neck, my shoulders, my hair line. Boom, if I get to it right away I can touch it and remove. If I wait longer then I have to scrape it off, if I wait more then I must dig,.. wich then leads to a boil thats itchy and I need some emycin cream.

im sorry. Ive been so peed off today.

No matter how hard we try. But at least I have you guys and thats alot.

Back to the subject.

A parasite, flying, or jumping is affecting us wich causes alot of infection. Fungal, bacterial. We have seen the MRSA.

WE are so worn down we attract other parasites wich normally doesnt bother humans. ( I never bought that as a kid)

I know I cant take this much more.

[Kritters]

We don't all have the same symptoms and probably have different 'diseases' manifesting themselves with some combination of the symptoms of others. My understanding so far of the mycoplasma (and there is much more reading to do) is that it is neither a virus, a bacteria, or a fungus) A new kid in town, which probably was here a long time unnoticed. It has no cell wall, which is why it is undetectable in blood tests. Viruses avoid detection by other means but include shedding their coats at some point.

While it probably isn't the singular cause of Morgellons, I think in some cases it could be. I don't know enough about it, nor about any microbiology enough to make a statement either way. When I hear of several symptoms of an organism (or combination thereof) I tend to try to put them in a categorization from which I can refer when I hear those symptoms relative to a new situation. None of us knows squat when it comes to difinitive answers and nothing should be dismissed, as far as I'm concerned.

So many of these things are in the trigeminal zone that it's impossible to say which this is. It's how they manifest themselves and they like moisure and mucus. Do some originate in the lungs and throat? I believe I read that mycoplasma inhabit that area, but as I said, I have more to read. When I say something sounds like it's a mycoplasma, that's because it has the traits of mycoplasma. I'm not inferring it is the cause of all diseases or Morgellons in particular.

I don't have flies. I have never seen one come out of my body ever.

Chitin is part of nature and can be found in so many places in development as well as ending result. Here's just one excerpt:
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Department of Chemistry G. Ciamician, Alma Mater Studiorum Università di Bologna, Bologna, Italy. falini@ciam.unibo.it

The polysaccharide chitin is found in nature as a major component of the organic fraction of several biocomposites in which an organic matrix is associated with an inorganic fraction. The relationship between the mineral phase and the organic phase implies a high level of molecular recognition. Chitin in mineralized biological systems is present in different polymorphs and has a crucial role in the hierarchical control of the biomineralization processes; the nacre of the mollusk shell is a representative example. Biologically inspired synthesis has been used for the production of mineral-chitin composites. Their actual and future applications move from the medical field as bone repair (chitin-calcium phosphate composites) to the industrial field as catalyst (silica chitin structure replica).

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I'm searching, researching, reading posts of others who bring information to the table and I'm sure in time we will know what each individual has, even if it isn't the same as the rest of us. Until then, theories are just theories and none of us knows enough to have a definitive answer. We are a team and a great one at that.

Kritters

[Kritters]

TC...

You wrote:

"..Solve the problem of dissolving the chitin it has and I think that Morgellons parasites could be controlled or even eradicated....."

Here ya go:
GO:0006032 chitin catabolic process

Kritts

[Jo]

I dont know if Morgellons is a myiasis infection, but I know I've had one for at least a year, which includes multiple fly species.

I believe one species evades human sight. My cat sees them - and by following his gaze this last week, its like they are air bourne. Twice this week, I've watched him and actually heard the insect hit objects. At one point it landed on my trousers, but I couldnt see a thing.

Plus I think they must have wings because of how quickly and precisely they can target people's ear canals, eyes and backs of head.

Surely, only something with wings could pull off this kind of trick....and so very quickly.

But to be able to hear it hit objects, surely it cant be that small.

Bizarre. Earth calling Ninja.......where are ya???!!

Jo xxx