GM crops, organophosphates and Morgellons: is there a connection?

[tcmgpt13]

Enjoyed your post as always 2mf. You do have a way of making everything clear about how you arrive at your conclusions. Although as you say it is all speculation right now (as are all our theories) it still makes a lot of sense to me as you have tied all your thoughts together so well.

tcm xxx

[Virginia]

Thank you very much about the info. supplied by Dr. Citovsky.

If he is correct about the fibers being polysaccaride, then this will rule out many bacteria that produce protein fibers. Also will rule out the folded protein amyloid fibers that can form in the skin and in the brain of Alzheimer's patients.

Has anyone else been able to confirm his findings?

The currently named "Agrobacterium" is what I learned as "Rhyzobium" bacteria, the bacteria that infects the roots of clover and alfalfa plants to 'fix' nitrogen from the air. It is a common soil bacterium.

I am wondering if it is used, also, to make laundry detergent enzymes?

[Virginia]

I don't mean to insert a 'red herring' here, but my feeling about my Morgellons is that it is not infecting my skin directly.
I am wondering if it is my follicle mites that are actually infected and cary the agent deep in my pores.

It's just that the infection itself seems to be confined to my follicles and I don't seem to get any skin antigen/antibody inflamation. Just deep itching and fiber bundles (fuzz-balls) and other particles forming down in the skin.

[Kritters]

Virginia,
You wrote:
"....I am wondering if it is my follicle mites that are actually infected and cary the agent deep in my pores."

My belief at this point in time is that we have a number of things going on at the same time. Normal mites usually don't bother humans, from what I understand. Many live on us and we don't even know it. I think whatever this is makes the mites turn into Mad Mighty Mite. Whatever this is IMO so far, is making any and all mites, bacteria, viruses, fungi turn into a nasty foe. They don't mean to be this way, you understand. They don't know what to make of the new bio kid on the block. For instance...cotton forming bacteria and hair follicle mites happening upon each other...looking for love in all the wrong places.

There is just SO MUCH involved in the micro science, it's so overwhelming.

THEY (parasites) are so much better at this than we mere humans.

Kritts

[Kritters]

Agrobacterium and Morgellons Disease, A GM Connection?

The association of Morgellons Disease with dirt and soil where Agrobacterium lives, the widespread use of Agrobacterium in genetic engineering of plants, and the ability of Agrobacterium to infect human cells, all point towards a possible role of genetic engineering in the aetiology of Morgellans disease via Agrobacterium.

Extensive genetic manipulation of Agrobacterium does have the potential to transform it into an aggressive human pathogen. Genetic engineering is nothing if not enhanced and facilitated horizontal gene transfer and recombination, which is widely acknowledged to be the main route for creating new pathogens. Mae-Wan Ho was among an international panel of scientists have raised this very issue in 1998, calling for a public enquiry into the possible contributions of genetic engineering biotechnology to the aetiology of infectious diseases which has greatly increased since genetic engineering began in the 1970s [16].

Kritts

[2manyfibers]

I’ve already noted in previous posts on this thread that agrobacterium is used to transfer ‘foreign” genes into plant and animal tissue. I’ve also noted that nanotechnology has been used to perform these gene transfers as well. I recently stumbled across a lot of information documenting that nematodes (small round worms, sometimes microscopic) have also been used for transferring agrobacterium (with foreign genetic material) into plants as well. The nematodes are infected with agrobacterium carrying foreign genetic material and they then infect the plant they normally do. Here’s a couple of links noting this:

IngentaConnect Nematodes as vectors to introduce Agrobacterium into plant roots

Blackwell Synergy - Mol Plant Pathol, Volume 1 Issue 6 Page 383-387, November 2000 (Article Abstract)

There are literally thousands of different types of parasitic nematodes (around 15,000 parasitic nematodes out of approximately 80,000 known total nematode species according to wikipedia) and they are generally believed to be parasitic to plants or animals exclusively depending on the species. Nematodes are considered to be fairly ubiquitous (present everywhere on earth including Antarctica) in large numbers and variety.

There has also been a good deal of work done in the GM arena with trying to add foreign genes to plants to make them resistant to certain nematodes that affect particular crop types. Some of these genetic modifications are intended to prevent nematodes from being able to process certain proteins they need to survive, such as cysteine (which is the oxidized form of cystine I mentioned in a previous post). These cysteine proteinase inhibitors are called cystatins. Here is an article discussing how potatoes have been genetically modified with these cystatins “embedded” genetically (the article discusses whether they should be allowed to be planted in the UK):

Transgenic Potato Not to be Released

There is a fair amount of information available to indicate that many parasitic organisms including nematodes have developed a resistance to organophosphates and other pesticides. Also, many parasitic organisms for which plants have been genetically modified to repel or kill via some genetic mutation have also developed resistance to some of the “genetic insecticides” that were inserted into the genetic structure of those plants (such as Bt crops and others). In fact, since the emergence of GM crops, the use of organophosphates for pest and weed control has increased greatly, which is just the opposite of the promises made by companies like Monsanto and Bayer to falsely justify all this genetic experimentation (the true intent of all this appear to be for these companies to patent life forms of all types including the entire food supply eventually – pure greed rather than anything beneficial to mankind).

While I can’t find any information to indicate that any nematodes that are parasitic to humans have been intentionally infected with agrobacterium (and foreign genetic material), it certainly seems quite possible if not likely that this has occurred. It also seems very possible that nematodes that are human parasites could have become “accidentally” or incidentally infected with agrobacterium that has foreign genetic material from the plant parasitizing nematodes that were intentionally infected with it. In fact, if seems as if it would be impossible to avoid such “cross-transfer” when several varieties of nematodes (some parasitic to plants and others to animals) can share the same soil intimately on a continuous basis (and I would imagine that science doesn’t truly know everything there is to know about nematodes including if they parasitize each other).

It seems a pretty safe assumption to me that simply being in the soil could infect nematodes with agrobacterium in its “natural” state. Thus, it seems very probable that various nematodes could infect each other with agrobacterium that has had genetic material added to it with the intent of transferring genetic material to plants. What would be the impact of nematodes that parasitize humans being infected with agrobacterium containing foreign genetic material? Could nematodes infected with this agrobacterium and foreign genetic material change behavior (plant parasites start infecting animals), or could this make nematodes more aggressive or resistant to being killed once they infest animals including humans? The sad but very true answer at this point is “WHO KNOWS?”

This seems to be yet another in an ever-increasing number of cases in what is now called “biotechnology” where “science” has run amok with so-called scientists carelessly trying to play God while they truly don’t have the slightest clue as to the actual overall impact of what they are doing on human beings or the balance of nature. Once again this is speculation on my part, but somehow it really wouldn’t be very surprising if Morgellons and many other diseases and medical conditions don’t result directly from all of this genetic and chemical experimentation that has been allowed to enter the food supply (with little or no relevant testing or studies) by the agencies that are supposed to be insuring its safety.

[niecy]

2many........here is a link with some some very indepth information on all classifiations of nematodes, most of it links to the National Institues of Health.

Niecy

http://focosi.immunesig.org/pathohom....html#Nematoda

[Kritters]

2many,
I don't know if you have read any of my posts regarding this very same thought process, but you are essentially very specifically and indepthfully (is that even a word?) laying it out in so much more detail. I'm not a detail person. I'm a kinda read, listen, absorb, draw conclusion type person.

It's so great to read what you have just written in this post and your previous posts regarding agrobacteria. It's what I think is the deal and what really blows my mind is how many different thousands of organisms/parasites there are. Why is that anyway??? It just makes me wonder how we can ever get a handle on what nature has laid out and for this genetic modification with them playing God without a clue is just so scary.

It is truly the end of the world as we know it.

Kritters

[niecy]

Elsevier

DRUG RESISTANCE AMONG MALARIA AND OTHER PARASITES

Lawrence M. Barat, MD, MPH*, Peter B. Bloland, DVM, MPVM*

Parasitic infections are among the most common infectious diseases worldwide. Intestinal parasites, such as Ascaris, hookworms, and Trichuris, infect many hundreds of millions of people. Malaria is responsible for between 300 and 500 million clinical cases and 1.5 to 2.5 million deaths each year. More than 200 million people are infected with Schistosoma and another 200 million are infected with Giardia.

The greatest public health threat posed by drug resistance among parasites is from malaria, and most of this article is devoted to discussing issues related to the development, spread, and impact of drug resistant malaria. Concern also is growing, however, about the development of drug resistance among non-malarial parasites; we discuss metronidazole resistance in both Giardia and Trichomonas, and the possibility of ivermectin resistance in human filariasis.

© 1997 W. B. Saunders Company. Published by Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.


2many, hopefully this is an appropriate place to post this. I wonder if the fact that filarial parasites are probably close to all being infected with agrobacterium has anything to do with them being resistant to Ivermectin, which I know alot of people on this forum and other friends that I have is their drug of choice to rid themselves of these nematodes?



Niecy

[hilly]

Neicy... that's very interersting.... filiariall parasites resistant to Ivermectin... please tell me more. I'm on Ivermectin at the mo.... Hilly x