Virus, Fish and Morgellons?

[tcmgpt13]

I caught my particular version of morgellons from eating cooked grouper. It is quite likely that this fish contained ciguatera poison as I became violently ill from eating it. It also (I believe) contained parasites, more than one variety. Now with the latest input from a doctor who believes my current lesions look like those found in some herpes infections (on my back) I have been researching in yet another direction. I feel that the extreme tiredness and the illness I felt, sometimes still feel, did not just come from a reactivation of the herpes viruses to which I may have been exposed in my earlier years (chicken pox, EPV, cold sores). It sounds like a satisfactory theory to him, but somehow the way I felt at the time I came down with this, well old illnesses do not explain it sufficiently for me. This is what I found today:

Blackwell Synergy - J Fish Diseases, Volume 17 Issue 4 Page 417-427, July 1994 (Article Abstract)

A virus which is called iridovirus is causing farmed grouper who had been exposed to become extremely lethargic. I wonder, what food the farmed fish had been fed? And it looks as if from the references sited in this abstract that this virus has been found in more than one type of fish. And now threatens amphibians worldwide. It evidently causes some internal lesions as the spleen, heart and kidney are effected. Big hmmm for me. Could this be going on in areas besides just fish? And amphibians?

Here is another statement from another page I find of interest:

"Iridoviruses have received attention because of the problems they pose to aquacultural practices and because of their potential use in the biological control of insect pests."

Iridoviruses

So far this virus is not found in man. Or is it? Can I find that Monsanto is vaguely connected to the use of iridoviruses being used in not so normal ways? Yes, I can, but it is just all guess work really. Here is a copied sentence from a google book, sorry I cannot copy the page but will refer you to it here with a paragraph I copied the old fashioned way by typing:

A Textbook of Microbiology - Google Book Search

"In recent years attempts have been made to produce microbial insecticides. i.e. biopesticides Biopesticides are the preparations of chemical/microbial cells basically from bacteria, fungi and viruses for the killing of insect pests. The examples are baculoviruses, iridoviruses, entomopox virus, Bacillus Theringiensis, B. popilliae, B. sphaericus, B. moritai and species of Aspergillus, Coelomomycos, Entomorphthora, Fusarium, Paecilomyces (Aizawa, 1982)"

Later on in this page transgenic cotton made by Monsanto is mentioned. So instead of spraying plants the cotton plant has genes inserted which secrete toxins lethal to insect predators of cotton (we saw much of this discussed in the Monsanto documentary). If different toxins such as those listed above are found in food products, either as as food we eat directly or from the fish or other animals fed these food products which we then eat (indirect exposure to viruses, bacteria, fungi), then who knows? And can we ever find out as it seems the waters are very muddied.

Here is something I found written in Spanish from a meeting which seems to have been held in Puerto Rico. I am only referring to a very small segment in this document:

INFORME ANUAL DE LA EMPRESA DE HORTALIZAS DEL COLEGIO DE CIENCIAS AGRCOLAS

Proyecto (Project) ZTS-07 -
IRIDOVIRUSES AS BIOCONTROL AGENTS OF INSECTS


Conseguir un virus que contole a Diaprepes abreviattus, podria reducir las perdidas en citricas y vegetales ocasionadas por este insecto.

Translated:

Getting a virus to contol Diaprepes abreviattus, could reduce losses in citrus and vegetables caused by this insect.


Has a virus such as iridovirus now been able to make the jump to humans? Gee, I don't know, as lately I get quite sleepy and often too tired to think. Could it have been something I ate? Just as some other biopesticides are no longer sprayed is this one which has now been inserted into food plants? Or fed to food animals? I don't know. Just a thought though. I am left wondering why the doctor I saw was so adamant it was all a virus.

[Jo]

Hi tcm,

Interesting stuff.

Originally Posted by tcmgpt13

Has a virus such as iridovirus now been able to make the jump to humans?

I just googled iridovirus to see if anything human related came up. How come there's always another pathogen round the corner?? This article is about a new emerging virus named Mimivirus which is large and similar enough to be a bacterium, but its a virus which can cause Pneumonia in humans.

In the PDF it says:

"Our suspicion that Mimivirus was related to iridoviruses was confirmed by phylogenetic inference derived from alignment of ribonucleotide reductase gene sequences. This analysis indicated that the virus grouped with other nucleocytoplasmic large DNA viruses (NCLDVs), including viruses in the Iridoviridae, Baculoviridae, Phycodnaviridae, and Poxviridae families."

Chicago Journals - Clinical Infectious Diseases

Virusus that act like bacteria..ummm...KRITTS, where's that Rex book, you never talk about??!

Jo xxx

[niecy]

Hey TCM, I read your post today about fish, and that's how you got sick. It made me think of something I saw on T.V. the other night. I was watching the weather channel, as we have been having lots of tornadoes in our area lately.

I never knew that the weather channel aired anything but the weather........but they do.
They were talking about Demoic Acid Poisoning, and how it's killing sea lions. One question and answer was can it infect humans, the answer is yes. It can also be lethal.

I read your post and it got me to thinking about it, so I googled it, and one thing led to another. All of these links are related in one way or another. There's mention of dinaflagellets, red algae (tide), and on and on.

I can't put things together as well as some of you, so I just thought I would post the links.

There are also links about lyme disease and "Piloerection", which seemed very interesting to me. Maybe you guys will be able to understand all of these links and how they may be related.

Niecy
xxxxxx




Demoic Acid Poisoning:

Blackwell Synergy - J Fish Diseases, Volume 17 Issue 4 Page 417-427, July 1994 (Article Abstract)

HABs and Biotoxins: Marine Biotoxins - Domoic Acid Poisoning

http://www.itg.be/itg/DistanceLearni...otoxinsp3.html

Domoic acid (PIM 670)


piloerection - Google Search


Piloerection definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms easily defined on MedTerms

Definition of Piloerection
Piloerection: Erection of the hair of the skin. Piloerection of the hair, for example, on the arm makes it "stand on end."
Piloerection starts when a stimulus such as cold or fright causes a discharge from the (involuntary) nervous system that triggers contraction of the little arrectores pilorum muscles. Contraction of these muscles elevates the hair follicles above the rest of the skin so the hair seems to "stands on end."
"Piloerection" is made up of "pilo-" from the Latin "pilus" meaning "hair" + "erection," the condition of being stiff or elevated = elevation of the hair. The term "erection" may also be applied to the stiffening and elevation of other parts of the body.



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MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia: Lyme disease - early disseminated
Lyme disease - early disseminated


Lyme disease is transmitted through the bite of an infected tick. Secondary Lyme disease develops within days to months after the tick bite, when the infection spreads via the lymph system or bloodstream.

Symptoms:
Lyme disease can affect the central nervous system and cardiac system. Symptoms can come and go and may disappear after days, weeks, or months.
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Blurred vision
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Fatigue
General discomfort, uneasiness, or ill feeling (malaise)
Headache
Heart palpitations
Joint inflammation in the knees and other large joints
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A physical examination may show signs of neurological problems or heart involvement.
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Chest x-ray
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Examination of cerebrospinal (CSF) fluid
Western blot to confirm the presence of antibodies to Borrelia burgdorferi

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References:
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MedlinePlus - Search Results for: Human granulocytic ehrlichiosis
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[tcmgpt13]

I had to laugh Niecy as it seems we are thinking alike--both your post and my prior post have the exact same first reference from Blackwells. It was finding this article which led me to the possible connection of a foreign virus (to humans anyway) which could be connected somehow to what is happening in morgellons. These viruses may be found in a lot of farmed fish, wild fish, and amphibians as well as insects. Now I am wondering if this virus could have made a leap across the great divide to humans, either by eating fish of some sort, even frog legs, or from being bitten by an infected insect. This type of virus is naturally iridescent. Suppose this virus can make the leap because there are already viruses in the body which enable it to do this. Jo has mentioned one in her post just above. Maybe that is what this mimi virus has done successfully. Maybe it is not the only one to have done so. And it is evidently a large virus too. There just are many what if situations. Such as what if this virus is being inserted transgenically into foods we are eating. Meant to kill insect predators, but somehow maybe becoming tangled up into our bodies and making us sick. Well pure speculation of course.

Here is a chart of viruses and it looks as if the only iridescent virus is the iridovirus family (at least on this chart):

Virus Taxonomy

Here is a short paper which discusses the colors reflected in iridovirus infected insects:

Invertebrate iridescent viruses (Iridovirus, Iridoviridae)

"The small IIVs (genus Iridovirus) tend to display colours from violet to turquoise. The large IIVs, that infect mosquito and midge larvae (genus Chloriridovirus), tend to display colours from green to orange or red."

[Jo]

Interesting tcm.

Had a look at the geography page on that website about species carrying the virus:
Distribution of invertebrate iridescent viruses (Iridoviridae) - original point of isolation.

"These viruses have also been isolated from diverse species of mosquitoes, midges, beetles, moths, crickets, annelid worms and moluscs, most recently a species of marine Nautilus."

I didnt know what a Nautilus was, its a living fossil that feeds on fish and shimps and has a pretty shell: Nautilus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does it get the virus from contaminated food, like you tcm?? Who knows!

Jo xxx