A New Avenue

[No Man]

Hello to Everyone,

I would like to complement EVERYONE on the amount of work you have all done and the personal integrity you have shown against doctors who are not doctors in the efforts to get well.

By accident I came across Morgellon's Disease at the same time I was studying something that on the surface would seem totally unrelated. The relationships between the two were so close that I must investigate this.

For all of you who have Morgellon's please post the most accurate list of vaccinations that you have had since 1988.

I do not need any personal information or other data. If you were born after 1970 I will assume that you were given Tetanus and Hepatitis B with or without consent by the delivering physician.

If you can provide specific information like the manufacturer of the vaccine and lot number this would accelerate the process.

Thank you.

Remember: The Wright brothers did not get approval from the FAA before building and flying their planes so you do not need offical permission to find a cure for yourselves.

I wish you all the best.

No Man

[Franky]

Hi there and welcome to the forum. I may be jumping the gun here. But if you are about to say people got morgellons from vaccines or is related to vaccines, your theory is to late. The conspiracy people have all ready said that for morgellons, AIDS, the common cold and etc....... I think you get the point.

But then again I could be wrong and you have a whole new angle to it?

[Jo]

Hi No Man!!

Its very difficult for most of us to know exactly what vaccines we've had.

It was discussed in this thread: http://www.morgellons-disease-resear...18674#msg18674

I did wonder about this because occupationally, health care professionals are top of the list for getting morgs. They need a whole range of vaccinations before being allowed to practice.

But teachers are also high on the list, so I think its more to do with the vast number of people that they come in contact with.

Alot of people with morgs say they contracted it from helping sick humans or animals.

Have you got a specific line of thought? If so, we might be able to run a poll question on it.

All the best

Jo

[Kritters]

Hello No Man

Welcome and thanks so much for your encouragement and positive attitude regarding our plight.

Your question is a good one, the avenue worth the walk IMO. Given the effect immunization shots have on children and Autism, and the fact that so many people are becoming afflicted with this and there being somewhat of a pattern in different forms and combinations makes me think that this is, as are most autoimmune diseases, a result of two or more combining factors; pathogen/pathogen, pathogen/chemical toxin, pathogen/cemical toxin/pathogen.

How's that for a run-on sentence (oops paragraph)

I strongly believe that the vector born pathogens such as ticks/borrelia, and herpes (from whatever really causes it (which no one knows to date and could be a strain of borrelia for all we (don't) know about parasites, and the chemicals and/or agrobacteria introduced in our bodies create a mutated monster looking for love in all the wrong places.

There is also much unknown regarding our immune systems, plus how pathogens escape it. These stealth mutations are giggling their little hooks off (as they have been doing for years due to the ineptness of the medical community to see the parasite for the incredible enigma that it is....and those are fast becoming the good ol' days)

So, to conclude for now, yes, I think it's very possible vaccines play a role in all of this in some or all cases, because they have no idea how the ingredients will effect our cells, our resident pathogens, and our future health. They still say mercury is okay in our bodies.

"When the going gets tough, the weird turn pro" (have no idea what that means)

I look forward to your thoughts, and have a great day!

Kritters

[hilly]

Kritts.... you say this is an autoimmune disease... I was told that it was'nt... I would love to really know the facts. can you please tell me... it makes such a lot of difference as to what treatments to have... Milly xx

[Kritters]

Hi Milly,

Oh my goodness....I know NOTHING! I'm just postulating and expressing my thoughts so far. I have no idea if it's an autoimmune disease ("as are" most autoimmune diseases). I should re-phrase that or remove it. Sometimes my fingers type faster than I can thought-check my words...not good)

You know Milly, there is SO much we do not know about this as we are put into the position of trying to get educated and do the research the people in whom whe have entrusted this job have failed.

For instance, how the protein is effected by all this, and I do believe it is.....as Steve is researching and hypothesizing. The protein responsible for mad cow for instance, as Steve points out is a more complicated situation than in known. (I think Steve points that out).

What do I know...I haven't finished my Java yet. Guess I should shut up until my thought-check catches up.

xoxo
Kritts

[hilly]

LOL Kritts.... You're a fountain of knowledge and I thought you knew EVERYTHING !!! Butdoes anyone else have a clue as to whether Morg is an autoimmune disease ????? Would love to know.... as there is no point it seems on trying to build up one's immune system if it is an autoimmune disease..... Milly xx

[Kritters]

Hey Milly,

Well I had my Java and now the day is over. Anyway, I wanted to get back to the autoimmune thingie.

First, I really hope people don't mind when I go off with my thoughts. I sure don't know much, but from my reading and research I have accumulated opinions, although they may or may not be accurate, but I try. I hope that others will correct me when necessary.

Here's what I think. First of all, we don't know what it is, so how can anyone say it is an autoimmune disease or not? If the body is fighting it off, albeit unsuccessfully, I wouldn't call that autoimmune. If it becomes part of our dna/rna...part of our chromosomal makeup (uses our dna to keep it alive) the body can't exactly fight it, but instead the body attacks itself. For instance, if it incorporates itself into the cromosomes which produce the liver, it will cause mutation in the liver cells. This could be passed to future generations as a mutation and that's disease. But the whole works can be passed on as well, including the body continuing to attack itself. That's autoimmune to my understanding. If it's a pathogen the immune system has no clue about what to do with, it's a losing battle until the immune system develops antibodies, which is anybody's guess whether or not it will.

If in general, the morg is a combination of parasites (fungi, bacteria, viruses, etc) and foreign man-made combinations of natural parasties and agriculture or toxic pesticides or whatever Steve comes up with, neither we or it knows which end is up or which way is out. I think any disease could potentially become an autoimmune disease if the pathogen incorporates itself into the dna of that organ of the body or several. If you google autoimmune diseases, then check them out individually, you'll find commonality in that they DON'T KNOW WHAT CAUSES IT and DON'T KNOW THE CURE. And the symptoms are usually the same in addition to which part of the body is affected. Brain fog, aches and pains, joint problems, etc. You know the drill. And it ends up destroying the organ in which it inhabits, or just incapacitating it enough to live sufficiently while it lives off of it, as all good little efficient parasites do.

Anyway, that's my take. I welcome any corrections and additions.

xoxo
Kritts

[Kritters]

Originally Posted by Milly

LOL Kritts.... You're a fountain of knowledge and I thought you knew EVERYTHING !!! Butdoes anyone else have a clue as to whether Morg is an autoimmune disease ????? Would love to know.... as there is no point it seems on trying to build up one's immune system if it is an autoimmune disease..... Milly xx

One more thing, Milly...from this big mouth I think that is a really good point and a subject to really be scrutinized by those in the business of supposedly knowing. I won't hold my breath.

There are many different types of immune cells. This is so complex and complicated, from my reading of "DNA" which is incredible, by the way, that I can understand why it's not well understood, or at least effectively understood enough to heal people. *(that's another sore subject of mine) Since we don't know what it is, I vote for keeping the immune system strong. I'm thinking we'll need special troops in-coming to watch out for other invaders. The entire immune system won't be attacking morgs, and it's better to have one than not, IMO.

An aside, I've been taking this great pro-biotic called Mi Vitality containing acidophilis and dried greens and other organic ingredients at night with v8 juice. In the morning I take A (1) capsule of Raintree antifungal (2 or 3 caused me to have a flu) in the morning. I really feel so much better. I have energy I haven't had, and unless I overdo the walking, I'm not as achey. I also awaken earlier in the morning. We'll see.

xoxoKritts

[hilly]

Kritts.... Thanks so much for your reply and all your interest... I think when you said you vote to keep the immune system strong you are on to a very good point and that's what I will continue to try to do.... It was my 'society for complimentary medicine' man who told me that it was'nt an autoimmune disease. When I next see him, I'll ask him why he is so sure about that and post the reply. Your latest probiotic/acidophalus stuff sounds great, I wonder if we can get it over here. Thanks again for that thought and info. Milly xx