Wastewater Treatment Plants

[Kritters]

I was JUST researching about the WASTWATER PLANT in my city, and my computer freaked on a link to one site and I lost my cookies (technically) and the S**T hit the fan!

Here is where you all find out what an idiot I really am. I live on the bay directly across and about 10 blocks from our plant. I know NOTHING about the treatment procedures or what is eliminated from the plant, but I guess it's something I'm going to have to find out, isn't it? (yeah, Kritts....you're really a genius)

Here's one thing I just found for starters.....but only for starters, if anyone here can make anything of it.http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/72/8/5643



“…………..We report molecular evidence that ammonia-oxidizing archaea (AOA) occur in activated sludge bioreactors used to remove ammonia from wastewater. Using PCR primers targeting archaeal ammonia monooxygenase subunit A (amoA) genes, we retrieved and compared 75 sequences from five wastewater treatment plants operating with low dissolved oxygen levels and long retention times. All of these sequences showed similarity to sequences previously found in soil and sediments, and they were distributed primarily in four major phylogenetic clusters. One of these clusters contained virtually identical amoA sequences obtained from all five activated sludge samples (from Oregon, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey) and accounted for 67% of all the sequences, suggesting that this AOA phylotype may be widespread in nitrifying bioreactors………..”

“…………..Nitrogen discharges into the environment pose multiple threats to ecosystem health, including toxicity (NH3), oxygen depletion (NH4+, NO2–, and organic N), and stimulation of algal blooms (NH4+, NO2–, NO3–, and organic N) (23). To prevent these adverse impacts, wastewater treatment plants (WWTPs) use bioreactors to oxidize ammonium to nitrate, and, where nitrate removal is also required, design features for denitrification are also included (12). Nitrification, the key and often rate-limiting step in N removal (23), entails the two-step microbial oxidation of ammonia to nitrate via nitrite……….”

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Also, what about a poll to see how many of us live THIS close to one?

Kritts

[Jo]

Hi there Kritts,

I know that the process involves encouraging bacteria growth to digest the ....er...'effuent'. By doing this, it may well unknowingly encourage archaea too.

Just found a paper about their possible role in human disease, (2003):
http://iai.asm.org/cgi/content/full/71/2/591

"Despite the rapid accumulation of information about archaeal biochemistry, phylogenetic diversity, and genetics, little is known about their diversity and abundance within the human body or the types of interactions in which archaea engage with human cells, components of the human immune system, or other members of the endogenous flora."

And a more recent paper (March 2008!), which talks about their global abundance and survival in high as well as low temperatures:
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...0.2007.01506.x

I wonder if the archaea survive the treatment process - to be pumped into the sea and streams?? Until now, I'd never heard of them before!

Happy hunting

Jo xxx

[megluth72]

For your poll - I live a mile from our treatment plant. I moved to this house two years ago and the worst of my symptoms have been the last year and a half. I never actually put two and two together before reading your post. I work with the City and have tons of lab results from the plant in the office. I should dig into them (exciting reading I'm sure) and see if anything pops out at me. I know a big problem in Wisconsin is people throwing their medications down the drain. I've been told by the plant supervisor that the treatment plant can not filter all medication or deactivate them with the chemicals used at the plant. Something interesting (and scary)I thought. We've had to promote drop sites for meds to be dumped instead of in the sewer system. Could be a correlation some how.

[carla]

Hi Kritts,
One of our members,Bugstick was convinced her Husband and his workmates were infected with Morgellons working at a waste water treatment plant.
I know one of her post was somewhere on the first page of Safrey's thread.You would have to look under her user name to read the others.
carls xxx

[Cindi]

Hi Kritts,

I remember someone talking about the sewer plant last year as well. I found this last night because I was trying to find out information on iron pyrite because my hair sometimes gets this strange plaque on it that looks like fools gold. Well this is what I came across by coincidence because I was trying to see if my hot water heater had something to do with this because I keep thinking it is the damn water for some reason. Have for over a year. Anyway this is what this post said about how at least a water heater could be contaminated with them or thrive in one.

Posts: n/a

Default Re: Water smell problem in new building
I have had a similar problem in my home where water is derived from a
deep well located in iron rich ledge about 50 feet from the Atlantic
Ocean on the cost of Maine. I have isolated and I believe identified
archaea in my water. The best way that I have found to visualize these
are with an electron microscope, oil immersion optical microscopy can be
used but I find it more difficult. Many folks loosely refer to this
life form as sulfur reducing bacteria, although they are not bacteria at
all.

Archaea are the same life forms (not harmful to humans) that are found
in superheated vents at the bottom of the ocean or in natural vents such
as you'll find at Yellowstone. The organisms are anaerobic and don't
utilize carbon and oxygen for life as humans do, rather they utilize
iron and sulfur as found in iron pyrite...fool's gold.)

They thrive and multiply in hot water and particularly like the
temperatures found in hot water heaters. Hydrogen sulfide (rotten egg
odor) is liberated by these little folks. The magnesium used in most
water heater anode rods is said to be a contributing factor. I too have
an aluminum anode rod waiting to be installed. Hopefully in the next
month or two I'll have time to experiment with it.

I've had good success in reducing their population by installing an
ultraviolet sterilizer in series with the water from my well.

For a very interesting and readable treatment of this life form read
"The Surprising Archaea" by Prof. John Howland of Bowdoin College.

http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/genera...E5NTExMTgzNA==

RB

Andrew Barss wrote:
> My wife and I built a second house on our property last year. After some
> months of it laying dormant, we are now using the building. We've noticed
> a very strong smell of eggs/sulfur when we run the water, particularly
> (and possibly only) with hot water.
>
> The water feed to this building is from the same source as the main house,
> which has impeccable water. So, it seems like there is either a problem
> with the water heater, or with the part of the water line after it splits
> off from the main house.
>
> Does anyone have any idea what the problem (and solution) might be?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy Barss
>

Here is the whole thread. It may have nothing to do with what you are talking about but may be of some use to see the water heater connection.

http://www.homediscussion.com/showthread.php?t=9869


Cindi

[carla]

Here s one of Bugstick's post Kritts.I wonder how she is now.......

[quote=BugSick ]
OUR STORY about the wastewater treatment plants is TRUTH......NOT THEORY......they need to investigate the wastewater treatment plants and CHEMICAL FREE pesticides using microbes as the vector for that is the culprit of this disease and WHY they won't say a D---- Thing......

It would be a very difficult podium stance to get up there and tell the world that their NANO Designer Bugs have caused the next gastly epidemic......that would make all these countries using this technology for YEARS YEARS look very BAD......but it has been long enough now for these NANO designer bugs to reproduce and show its ugly face to the world in so many ways.....

These designer bugs being that they took typically safe parasites and bacteria and NANO'd them and MANipulated them into some kind of machine to clean up the nasties in sludge that is where THEY WENT WRONG.....they took somehing safe and it is now VIRAL due to its size......infecting everything that comes into contact with these eating and killing machines that MAN produced for us.....

How on earth is the CDC going to stand up and tell the world this is what happened....and why our aquatic life is in dire straits as well.....for the wastewater treatment plants have been releasing in small amounts these NANO bugs into our rivers, oceans, and waterways for years now....and no way to go back and clean these bugs up.....for they are NANO and difficult enough to see under a macroscope for one drop of water was like an ocean to them....that is how NANO'd they were....so they would compact better......WHAT WERE THESE IDIOTS THINKING......

[Kritters]

Thanks so much, everyone, for your feedback! I can't believe how dumb I am. Looks like I have some researching to do.

xoxo
Kritts

[Natalie]

For what its worth Kritt, the place I got Morgs. had2 holes in main water pipe coming into house. I reported back up into tub, also funny taste of water. Board of Health, HOusing, CDC. they told me to move!! How nice huh? Kept on all of them and docs. NOTHING. Just move the housing said. So we did. Still sick but even more. I just recently gave Board and Housing the paper work on CDC and Morgellons!!! With a huge smile.

Hey, I cant find your post on Bartonella!!! Where is it?? Didnt want to bother you with a PM. peace to you and your family!

[Kritters]

Hi Natalie,
That is so incredible about them telling you to move. If I were you, I would go back to see who moved in after you left to tell them what happened. This is such bull**it! I would go to the press!

Interesting that you should post here since I just posted a new thread called, "Cell From Hell" and it's about a single celled organism that was killing fish in '96 in North Carolina and is found to love sewage treatment areas.

(I don't know where that post is, sorry )
Kritts

[Natalie]

Hi Kritts, thanks for reply! I waited a awhile, but I did inform new people of situation. The neighbor on second floor is protecting the landlord, who happens to be a lawyer here in Plymouth. Mike Meherman is his name. Hope I can say that. The woman protecting him has endo carditus infection amoung other things, granulomas, .. I wont list it. Its ridiculous. She is in hospital ER every month. My town is hiding alot of stuff. I feel like erin Brockavitch sometimes. Ive done alot of work and I do think its helped. They want me to just go away but Im not going to. Her 22 year lod daughter has moved out and is trying to help our situation. We both got the same GP but he is no help either. This poor girl has lost most hair, and has so much of everything we read about here on this site. She has a computer and I just gave her this site to read.

I have gotten a grip on myself and realize I was making things worse for myself and others by freaking out. I do want to die. Sometimes I cant see anything worth while. Noone cares. BUT, thats how it seems, I know its not true! And its not just that noone cares, Im scared of the way I feel sometimes. The physical poison makes me feel like Im insane or like my cells are screaming. Im not getting oxygen through intestines, I can feel the blockages at times, I know my body well. This has happened to the young girl I talked about. We have both been to the hospital for this along with rash, throwing up and infection. They are sick of hearing it. They say go to your doctor.

So thats it, ya know? Im gonna be ok. One day at a time. I usually get so ahead, I try to plan things, but we all know that God is in charge.. if we let HIM. Thankyou for listening to my stuff. I really appreciate it. Tell everyone I care and will try harder to let go. Peace and love to you, Natalie