Chlamydia Pneumoniae & the Herpes Simplex Virus.....and more

[Kritters]

While researching Chlamydia Pneumoniae and its association to Morgs, I came across information associating IT with the Herpes Simplex virus, which effects a major amount of our population.

I'm very interested in this and will be applying links as I discover any connections. Already tonight, I have seen how Herpes actually can have more serious health implications than the public realizes, as well as some similar symptoms to "Morgellons" and other diseases. In fact, with compromised immune systems, Herpes causes several diseases.

One specific association attributed to Herpes which I am absolutely flabberghasted about is how it can cause severe eye problems. Seems the virus hides in the facial nerves (among other places). It can cause tearing, unilateral blood-shotedness, conjunctivitis, lesions in the cornea, and more.

Here's for starters:

http://www.revoptom.com/handbook/SECT31a.HTM herpes simplex keratitis

http://www.virologyj.com/content/4/1/120 something to do with proteins

Who gets herpes in the eye? A majority of people have been exposed to herpes simplex virus without being aware of it, usually sometime in early childhood. In most people, the virus settles in the nerves going to the face. Usually the virus remains dormant from then on and does not cause any clinical disease. In some people, however, the virus can be reactivated and spread down the nerves to the face or to an eye. http://www.uic.edu/com/eye/LearningA...sSimplex.shtml

If we're looking for an immune-depressing situation opening the door wide open for Morgs or other diseases, here's one.

Kritters

[jonsi]

Hi Kritters,

Thank you for starting this thread. I have Herpes Simplex virus and somewhere in the back of my mind I wondered if there was a connection.

I heard on a tv ad that 1 out of 6 adults are infected. I wonder what the medication that prevents "break-outs" is and if it would be affective on Morgellons. (but i hate "side-affects include..."). I will try to find out!

I will remember to post anything interesting I find

right here!

~jonsi

[Kritters]

Great Jonsi!
Thanks!...........(you mean like THESE side effects?: (....may cause blindness,cutaneouslesions,lossofappetite,loss ofbladdercontrol,diarrhea,greenfootdisease,consist ent flatulencewhenaroundpeopleandanimals,distortedimag e whenlookinginmirror,longpurplehairgrowingfromears, suddenburstoftourettes-likeexpletives,etc,etc,etc,etc.)

That's a good thought about the breakout medication. ( I love that commercial (not)..She's like, "I don't have herpes. ....but HE does " Thing is, they can't cure it, but keep it dormant....PROBABLY AN ALKALINE TABLET....ALKASELZER!!!!!

Kritts

[Jason]

The doctor i have seen on this said Dr Harvey and co were using Valaciclovir or you could take Aciclovir. The reasoning was they also found patients with Morgellons also came out with the Herpes Simplex virus after antibiotics were administered. I haven't tried either drug but apparently they have quite a strong effect on suppressing the virus from being active.

[Kritters]

Originally Posted by Jason

The doctor i have seen on this said Dr Harvey and co were using Valaciclovir or you could take Aciclovir. The reasoning was they also found patients with Morgellons also came out with the Herpes Simplex virus after antibiotics were administered. I haven't tried either drug but apparently they have quite a strong effect on suppressing the virus from being active.

"The reasoning was they also found patients with Morgellons also came out with the Herpes after antibiotics were administered"
Hi Jason, In other words, after the antibiotics ran its course or when they began to be administered? The patients with Morgs came out with Herpes, meaning they developed Herpes or the antibiotics brought them from dormancy, or while they were taking antibiotics they developed the Herpes blisters during this time?

Sorry for being such a nudge, and so dense, but this is important to my thought process. .

I don't want to suppress the bastards, I want to them.

Kritts

Musing: I just briefly looked up the drug and wonder, if DNA polymerase can 'inhibit', why can't they figure out how to 'extinguish' it?

[Jason]

My interpretation from the doc was that the antibiotics attack the pathogen that causes Morgellons and at the same time some of the white blood cells that are fighting this pathogen are killed as well. The assumption then is that before these white blood cells are reproduced herpes has seen to surface in some patients. The most probable explanation is that herpes surfacing may be just due to the fact the immune system is momentarily down.

It would be interesting to know whether these patients actually carried the herpes virus before becoming infected with Morgellons. From my own personal experience i have never carried the herpes virus and after antibiotics i have not experienced this.

The one thing i have experienced after antibiotics (still on them) is i do have 2 smooth blister type bumps (similar to a wart but smooth). One is under the joining of my big toe and the other on the side of my index finger. It is interesting because a wart is also caused by a viral infection (human papillomavirus).

Hope i explained it all kritts - this disease is one big pain in the butt!

[Kritters]

I totally agree, Jason that this is one big pain in the butt. Another thing is that we laypersons are using our limited resources with no education of biological pathogens and the intricacies of the science of the workings of the human body to try to figure out what is wrong with us, while those who are making a living doing just that aren't helping.

I sincerely hope I don't annoy anyone reading this forum by trying to make sense of it all. I'm just bringing up whatever I find may be applicable.

you wrote: It would be interesting to know whether these patients actually carried the herpes virus before becoming infected with Morgellons I mentioned that I have had herpes for 20 years and you say you don't have it. I obviously am not implying that everyone who has what they 'perceive' to be 'morgellons' has a herpes connection. I'm sure you realize that. It may be implicated, and something else may be implicated for others. My guess is that many people have herpes without knowing it and even if not, those who do had the virus before 'morgellons' and as the doc said, it resurfaces because of the compromised immune system (as mine does when my body is acidic). And I would be curious if others tested posititve for herpes.

As far as antibiotics are concerned, they do nothing to treat a virus, so will be ineffectual if in fact 'morgellons' is connected to a virus in some way.

Damn, I wish a scientist would get involved here in this forum.

Kritts

[Jason]

Hey Kritts,

I think i got the drug wrong above it is Valganciclovir. I just realised when i read on a Lyme site that some of the people over there tested very high for viruses like CMV, EBV and HHV-6. A few of them have totally recovered and some don't (usual story) when taking Valcyte (the name for the drug stated above).

The LLMD's have stated that the Lyme suppresses the immune system and hence these viruses come for the ride hence why my doctor and Dr H etc use this drug. It seems the LLMD's don't just treat the borreliosis.

[Kritters]

Are they along for the ride, or are they different stages or strains of the same thing?

Would be great if a professional in this field would get involved, huh?

xoxo
Kritts

[Kritters]

I came across a very interesting website today. We have briefly mentioned here a while back on the micro-biologists which were murdered a few years ago, all within days of each other. Here is an article about them.




The Death of 5 Microbiologists
The Deaths Of Five Microbiologists: Murder, Suicide, Accident?

"To understand how viruses enter cells by membrane fusion, we have studied influenza, HIV-1, and Ebola virus in the past and found they share many elements of their atomic mechanism. While continuing to study those mechanisms, we have also begun to study human herpes simplex virus and human respiratory syncytial virus (HRSV), which initiate membrane fusion differently. This year we determined the structure of a complex of the herpes glycoprotein gD with one of its cellular receptors, a member of the tumor necrosis factor receptor family (in collaboration with Roselyn Eisenberg and Gary Cohen, University of Pennsylvania; partial funding from the National Institutes of Health).
"These studies revealed a conformational change induced upon receptor binding, which we are now studying. Herpes viruses are a major human health problem: HSV-1 infections become latent, emerging sporadically to cause oral lesions in humans; HSV-2 causes genital lesions. Glycoprotein gD of herpes virus is required for infection and the cell-to-cell spread involved in emergence from latency.
"This is the first of the 11 glycoproteins of any herpes virus to be seen at atomic detail. Our studies on HRSV, in collaboration with John Skehel (London) and Jose Molero (Madrid), used biochemistry and electron microscopy to define two conformations of the membrane fusion glycoprotein F and to show that two proteolytic processing events are required before this glycoprotein is able to be activated for membrane fusion.
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The above quote is from a paper written by one of the murdered scientists.

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There is much, much more interesting information here about all the bio-warfare organisms being created.
Kritters