Chlamydia Pneumoniae & the Herpes Simplex Virus.....and more

[terri]

This is very interesting work Kritters Thank you! love, terri

[Kritters]

Duhhh....silly me.... I hadn't gotten down to read your post yet, Terri!
xoxoxoxo
Kritts

[tcmgpt13]

Am I missing something here? What is the connection between herpes viruses and chlamydia pneumonia? None of the links in this thread seem to mention pneumonia. Or its connection to herpes infections.

I believe that the reason doctors might see herpes infections after using antibiotics is because clearing up one infection often allows another underlying infection to be revealed. We see this in herbal practice all the time.

Although the anti-viral drugs can suppress the herpes viruses evidently if there is an active infection it can also kill that part which is active. I asked my doctor specifically about this as I was under the same misconception (that it can only suppress the viral infection).

[Kritters]

Yes, TCM, I believe you are correct in that is the commonly accepted opinion among medical and other naturopathic communities and I'm sure it's correct. However, as we have found there may be many associations and implications beyond that which may or may not have been brought to light.

What I said (or MEANT) was basically that WHILE DOING RESEARCH FOR CHLAMYDIA PNEUMONIAE VIRUS I CAME ACROSS the information mentioning herpes. I just googled "chlamydia pneumoniae and herpes" and tons of information came up which could support an association and/or not, but it seems it's being thrown around in scientific circles.

[Sadsack]

Herpes virus: 8 types

The herpes family of viruses includes 8 different viruses that affect human beings. The viruses are known by numbers as human herpes virus 1 through 8 (HHV1 - HHV.
Human herpes virus 1

Human herpes virus 1 (HHV1) is also known as herpes simplex virus 1 (HSV1). It is typically the cause of cold sores around the mouth. HHV1 can also lead to infection in the genital area causing genital herpes usually through oral-genital contact, such as during oral sex. HHV1 infections are contagious and are usually spread from skin-to-skin contact with an infected person through small breaks in the skin or mucous membrane. The HHV1 virus is more likely to be spread through things like sharing eating utensils, razors, and towels from a person who has an active lesion.
Human herpes virus 2

Human herpes virus 2 (HHV2) is also called herpes simplex virus 2 (HSV2). It typically causes genital herpes, a sexually transmitted infection. However, it can also cause cold sores in the facial area. Like HHV1, the HHV2 infection is contagious and is spread by skin-to-skin contact. The main route of transmission is through sexual contact, as the virus does not survive very long outside the body.
Human herpes virus 3

Human herpes virus 3 (HHV3) is also called varicella-zoster virus. HHV3 causes chickenpox. It can also cause a recurrent virus infection of the skin, which is called herpes zoster or shingles. Shingles occurs when dormant varicella-zoster virus from an initial bout of chickenpox becomes reactivated. Like its close relative, HHV1, herpes zoster likes to infect skin cells and nerve cells. This virus may also recur along nerve fibre pathways, causing multiple sores where nerve fibres end on skin cells. Because an entire group of nerve cells is often affected, shingles is generally much more severe than a recurrence of herpes simplex. The lesions generally appear in a band-like or belt-like pattern occurring on one side of the body and are often accompanied by itching, tingling, or even severe pain. Healing usually occurs in 2 to 4 weeks, and scars may remain. Postherpetic neuralgia is a complication of shingles where the pain associated with the infection can persist for months and even years. Most people who experience shingles once do not experience it again.
Human herpes virus 4

Human herpes virus 4 (HHV4) is also known as the Epstein-Barr virus. It is the major cause of infectious mononucleosis, or "mono" - the "kissing disease." It is a contagious infection and is transmitted through saliva. Coughing, sneezing, or sharing eating utensils with an infected person can pass the virus from one person to another.
Human herpes virus 5

Human herpes virus 5 (HHV5) is the official name of cytomegalovirus (CMV). CMV is also a cause of mononucleosis. In people with healthy immune systems, the virus may not even cause any symptoms. It can be sexually transmitted, can cause problems to newborns, and can cause hepatitis. CMV can be transmitted through sexual contact, breast-feeding, blood transfusions, and organ transplants. CMV infection is one of the most difficult complications of AIDS. It may lead to diarrhea, severe vision problems including blindness, infections of the stomach and intestines, and even death. For a virus that barely causes a problem in most people with healthy immune systems, it can be amazingly nasty in people with damaged immune systems, such as people with AIDS.
Human herpes virus 6

Human herpes virus 6 (HHV6) is a recently observed agent found in the blood cells of a few patients with a variety of diseases. It causes roseola (a viral disease causing high fever and a skin rash in small children) and a variety of other illnesses associated with fever in that age group. This infection accounts for many of the cases of convulsions associated with fever in infancy (febrile seizures).
Human herpes virus 7

Human herpes virus 7 (HHV7) is even more recently observed and is closely related to HHV6. Like other human herpes viruses, HHV6 and HHV7 are so common that most of humankind has been infected at some point, usually early in life. HHV7 can also cause roseola, but it is not clear what other clinical effects that this virus causes.
Human herpes virus 8

Human herpes virus 8 (HHV was recently discovered in the tumours called Kaposi's Sarcoma (KS). These tumours are found in people with AIDS and are otherwise very rare. KS forms purplish tumours in the skin and other tissues of some people with AIDS. It is very difficult to treat with medication. HHV8 may also cause other cancers, including certain lymphomas (lymph node cancers) associated with AIDS. The fact that these cancers are caused by a virus may explain why they tend to occur in people with AIDS when their immune systems begin to fail. The discovery also provides new hope that specific treatments for these tumours will be developed that target the virus.

Herpes virus: 8 types - Infection - C-Health

SS

[Sadsack]

http://www.cpnhelp.org/

Chlamydia Pneumoniae (Cpn) has been implicated in such a wide variety of diseases that information about it's treatment and science is scattered about the web and tends to be focused on just one of these illnesses. We hope to be a central source of information, which will allow us to share findings and compare treatment responses across the variety of problems Cpn causes. Work at Vanderbilt University by Stratton et al, extended by British physician David Wheldoni has formulated Combination Antibiotic Protocolsi (CAPi's) to treat the multiple life phases of Cpn and fully eradicate this persistent infection.

Chlamydia pnemoniae elementary bodies (EB'si) being carried on red blood cells.

What makes Chlamydia Pneumoniae (Cpn) so troublesome?

• While it may start as a respiratory infection, Cpn can be carried to other parts of the body and infect many other tissues, including nerve tissue, the brain, muscles, the lining of blood vessels and even your immune cells (macrophages).
• Standard single antibiotic courses (two weeks) only kill Cpn in one of its three life phases, leaving live forms of Cpn bacteria which are in other stages to renew infection.
• Cpn contains at least two endotoxinsi (toxic chemicals) which cause tissue damage and inflammationi, chronic immune activation and toxic load in your body.
• Cpn infects inside your cells and parasitically steals energy from your own body cells in order to replicate.
• The only way to cure it is to take a combination of antibioticsi, to kill it in all of it's life phases so nothing is left behind to re-infect.

Chlamydia pneumonia is a bacteria, that is not easily treated, as the above site explains, but it is possible to eradicate it from the body.

Herpes viruses live forever in the body and reassert under stress/lowered immunity.

SS

[gardenbuff]

From 1996 to 1998, I was treated for skin allergys???? by a dermatologiist. In1998 had a skin swab done at the Amcor Hospital lab. This was sent to California for testing. In 13 days I was notified that the scraping had come back positive/diagnosis Herpes Simplex 2 . After taking Valtrex 500 mg and1000 mg for 8 years, still had severe skin crawling, itching and sore/lesions.
My regular GP who was an older physician at the time, was notified by the Dermatologist of the lab test results, and he always said...he never saw Herpes that was hard and made sores like these did, not covered in tiny blisters. He commented that these were not the Herpes blisters he had diagnosed , as a 40 year physician.
My x-husband was a herpes carrier, no break-outs, only the initial BO 20 yrs prior.

[Kritters]

Hello Gardenbuff,

I still suspect A FORM of herpes is involved in a new and improved 'disease' which might possibly have a connection to Morgellons and/or Lyme. It could be a bio-engineered product or it could have morphed.

Thanks for bringing this thread back.

Kritters

[hurtin1]

Maybe they are leaving out other forms of herpes in thier studies..(Derms)
See figure(picture) 1.4-12

Color Atlas of Farm Animal Dermatology