Nanomachines in the sewer system?

[tara]

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread11589.html

TRANSCRIPT OF DR. SPENCER'S COMMENTS:
The Cause of Morgellons Disease

Honorable Mayor and Berkeley City Council Members:

My name is Edward Spencer MD. I have practiced Neurology in Northern California for more than thirty years. I am speaking tonight on the issue of health and nanotechnology.

A very strange disorder named Morgellons disease is among us, and the world wide number of cases is approaching 20 thousand with major clusters in the Bay Area and Southern California. There now exists strong data indicating that this disorder is associated with nanotechnology, specifically nano machines in the form of nanofibers.

The National Science Foundation (NSF) defines nanofibers as having at least one dimension of 100 nanometer (nm) or less. So-called Morgellons disorder presents as brain fog, fatigue and other neurological symptoms.

It is associated with the presence of tiny fibers protruding from the skin, intense itching, the possible appearance of ulcerative lesions ringed by a raised crater rim, and other strange lesions. The fibers have been widely observed to move.

There is no satisfactory treatment, physicians and dermatologists are unfamiliar with this chronic disabling disorder and tend to ignore it. Patients become labeled as having Delusions of Parasitosis, and this psychiatric diagnosis is stuck to the patients by dermatologists who have not examined the skin under
magnification, and who have not completed the extensive evaluation necessary to exclude all parasitic skin disorders before making a psychiatric diagnosis.

Pictures of the fibers are provided in the packet and I will direct your attention to the blue fiber with the gold tip. This was removed from a patient. This fiber did not burn until it has been heated to 1700 degrees F. Compare that with hair, which is easily burned producing a characteristic odor and has a cellular structure. The fibers are shed regularly and some grow to long lengths indicating fiber production in the human body. Dr. Janovy has stated of this blue fiber, 'IT HAS NO EUKARYOTIC CELLS, IT HAS NO CELL MEMBRANE, IT IS NOT A PARASITE, IT IS NOT BIOLOGICAL, IT IS A MACHINE.’

'Web article: Gold Nano Anchors Put Nanowires in Their Place is appended- [link to www.nist.gov] Also included are microphotographs by Dr. Hildegarde Staninger of a blue Morgellons fiber removed from a patient. Note the similarity of structure. There is evidence that Morgellons disorder(s) is carried by insect vectors, as some type of bug bite frequently precedes the onset of the disorder(s).

THE AGENT(S) PRODUCING MORGELLONS ARE IN THE SEWER SYSTEMS.

Also included are photomicrographs of very strange skin lesions. Morgellons appears almost biblical in its characteristics…. like something described in Exodus. Dr Randy Wymore of the University of Oklahoma sent fibers to the FBI. No matching fibers were found in the FBI forensic database. A contact in Naval Intelligence has recommended looking into Smart Dust. (Specks in field arrays).

The National Register of Environmental Professionals has assigned a task force to look into environmental causes behind Morgellons Disorder. I ask the Berkeley City Council to request that the University of California devote its considerable intellectual and technical resources to studying these nanofibers and this disease. Under the wise guidance of Wall Street and insurance companies, American Medicine has fallen into an amazing state of degeneracy.

Medical care is unavailable for many, access is limited for most, and research money is frequently unavailable except from major drug companies. Using technical terms, American Medicine is in the toilet. The response of the CDC has been lethargic to the point of being alarming. A simple electronic microscope such as you see here allows inspection of the skin at 50x to 400x and allows the clinician to document the existence of fibers. Eyeballs at two feet won't do it, and simple equipment like this should be available in the UC Clinics. And, of course, we need methods of treatment. This concludes my brief bedtime story. I will be pleased to provide further information as it becomes available.

Respectfully Ed Spencer MD.

[tcmgpt13]

Exactly what qualifies this doctor to make such statements? Does a neurology degree qualify one to make assessments on what causes morgellons? Is there any actual proof for most of the statements presented by this doctor in transcript form (it sounds as if everything he says is based on second hand information, he says, she says).

What about the research being done by Harvey and associates where parasites are being found in people who have morgellons? What about the actinomycoses (a bacteria which acts like a fungus) this research is identifying in many morgellons patients? The information I am talking abou is coming from those who are involved directly in research on morgellons. The lead doctor in this research has treated patients who have morgellons. I have so far found nothing about the Dr. Janosky who supposedly did research on the blue morgellons fiber and said it was not a parasite. All I am finding so far is repeats of the article you have posted with the same statement. Nothing about the actual research or the researcher. Where is this research to be found? Who exactly is Dr. Janosky?

What foundation does Dr. Spencer have for saying this is in the sewer system? I am not saying it is not possible, but I do not see any place this is discussed. It is just stated as a fact without any proof. So unless proof of this is presented I feel much of this discussion is supposition. Most of what is known about morgellons appears to remain supposition at this point.

BTW this same transcript was already posted here on Dec. 2006 by Franky:

http://www.morgellons-disease-resear...hp?topic=204.0

[Jason]

Tcm i second everything you say below. Unsubstantiated claims and once again is the reason why it is so difficult for this disease to gain recognition. I am not saying it is either right or wrong but there is absolutely no proof outside of scaremongering.

[jonsi]

I hope we can all agree to disagree here.

tcm, I read the great explanation of your initials and i guess i would be "tbm" (total body modification) with "hr" (homeopathic remedies) if I were to re-name myself here.

And Jason, your posts are informative and full of good "stuff".

You probably know that I am working on the "chem-trail" (& the link to Morgellons) and there is a scientific data to support these claims that aerosols are being dumped on us via aircraft. It will be a long time coming before anyone takes any responsibility for slip-ups of nano-technology and the guide-lines for experimentation (too late for implementation of those in the US). Did you know that nano-technology experimentation and waste is classified "hazardous material" in the UK? There are no restrictions in the US.

How can claims be substantiated when doors are closed and brick walls are formed when the truth gets too close to the source? This disease will never get recognition from those who already know what is going on and don't want the public to find out.

I'm relatively new here and don't recall seeing "tara" b4. So maybe she's/he's (?you never know around here with some of our names... ) not up-to-date on what has been posted.

It would be nice though, that when we post a letter like this one here, to do a little follow-up and report what happened after the letter was received or read. Did Berkeley City Mayor and officials read the letter and respond in any way? In my small town they take "minutes" at every meeting held by the county council. So maybe tara could check into that if s/h can.

~jonsi

[Jason]

You make a fair point Jonsi, maybe doors are being closed and there are cover ups causing proof of this to be a challenge and substantiation to be impossible.

The thing i can't get around my head about chemtrails is the following:

If it is being seen as a cause of Morgellons and i live less than 10 miles from Heathrow airport than why doesn't a majority of the population living under the Heathrow flight path have Morgellons. If chemtrails were the ultimate cause of this disease the NHS would have people continually complaining about these symptoms and it would be an epidemic in London alone. Alone there would be around a million or so people living under the flight path of one of the busiest international airports in the world.

I don't see any of that - to me everybody looks healthy and about 99% of the population wouldn't even know what Morgellons is.... This is where i have trouble getting my head around it.

I value your work though Jonsi and definitely not close minded on this.

[tcmgpt13]

Well, Jonsi, I think names are interesting too. Some of the questions I have about names in this thread still stand. I would like to know how any doctor who is a neurologist can stand up and make the claims that he does without having a shred of evidence that anything which he has so passionately reported has any foundation in fact. Who is this doctor? All I can find out about him is his specialty. How does this qualify him to speak about morgellons? Who is this Janosky he claims has done this research? Why is he so closed mouth about information which might prove his claims. Where is the research?

The fact, so far as I am able to find it, is that there is no substantiation of any of his statements in this transcript. If indeed the morgellons organisms are in the sewer system I feel that should be fairly easy to prove. Also if there is proof that this is not a parasite (which in my own experience I sincerely doubt) then that should be easy to prove as well with just a little research. This is what Dr. Harvey and his associates are busy doing and proving. I believe the holdup in writing about the causes (at least some of them) which are contributing to morgellons is in identifying the exact species of the parasites, which will take an expert in this area.

So you say you are busy doing research on chemtrails. Do you have any scientific data to support these sorts of claims? I feel Jason has a very valid point that if chemtrails were the source of morgellons that many people who live in his area would be sick with morgellons, far more than appear to be sick. In fact by now it should be epidemic. It is impossible to keep an epidemic a secret. It doesn't make sense to me that there is a conspiracy by some unknown persons to kill large numbers of the population by spreading weird diseases, as if this were so they might also kill members of their own family. Also if morgellons were to be coming from chemtrails and the point was to kill a lot of the population it seems a very inefficient way to spread this disease, because there seem to be no epidemics of it. It would appear that not many folks are suseptible to it or if chemtrails were to be the way it was spread then the delivery system seems to be extremely weak. Morgellons, as lyme, also causes chronic illness, a potential huge drain on health resources which I don't think any government would welcome. Therefore I highly doubt they would be spraying it on folks en masse. So as you say, I think we have to agree to disagree on this issue.

I agree it would have been interesting if the original poster had posted additional followup on this thread. Still as with the name and gender of the name, I don't suppose we can assume this person is from Berkeley or California either, and so might not have easy access to the sort of notes you mentioned. It also might have been helpful if the originator of the thread had posted some sort of followup under the thread which Franky started where he has already posted this transcript in its entirety instead of reposting this information here.