Opinions please

[pat]

OK give me your opinions on what you think of this.
A friend of mine today said she doesn't think Morgellons should be called Morgellons.She thinks its clouding the issue.To try to explain:
Morgellons was around in the 1600's.Research in the states shows this disease today to be man made nanotec stuff.Well they certainly didn't have nano in the 1600's.
Its obviously 'programmed' for example nothing kills it and its a 'thinking' bug.So what if the dipsticks who invented it 'modelled' or 'mimicked' the morgellons of the 1600's.Which I would think would be possible.
So when anyone suffering this sees a DR and tries to explain this weird disease and the 'link' to morgs in the 1600's comes up- along with the nano tec of today-the doc is going to think 'crazy,How can it be linked back 350 years to an age when nano wasn't around'.So he writes folk off as delusional.And maybe the inventors of this disease realised this would happen and by 'combining' two diseases keep the confusion there and the truth hidden.
Just a point made by a friend but she just might have a point!!

[lacey]

Here's my opinion, Patrice.
We don't know that the illness, condition, or whatever you feal it is was invented.
The cause has yet to be established. If we knew the cause then we would maybe be nearer the cure.
No matter what it was called there would have been the same outcome ie people being thought delusional because they would have been describing their bizarre symptoms. Many doctors diagnosed people presenting these symptoms as delusional before they had even heard of Morgellons (both patients and doctors that is).
All the best,
hannah

[Steve Frey]

Contrary to what you read, Morgellons is not man made nanotech stuff and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that, unless of course you put any faith in Dr Hildy's claim which can be easily discredited.

[Bad_Boy]

Hi, Patrice.

What really caught my eye was how your friend didn't think Morgellons should be called Morgellons. I think she has a point:

The misnomer seems to be a classification resurrected because of the initial uncanny similarities to the complaints and so-called matchbox tendencies exhibited by its victims in the 1600's. To me, the word Morgellons is a stand-in for an unclassified disease the same way "sleeping sickness" stood for AIDS.

However, this disease seems, imho, more difficult to identify than AIDS due to the seemingly multi-cooperative relationships between organisms that exhibit parasitic tendencies towards its host. Some even seem to have a disturbing trait of crystallization, as a virus does with its RNA during times of extreme environmental conditions. Some seem to exhibit both plant and animal traits like mixotrophs (I'm not attempting to identify anything--just speaking in analogies). Not everyone observes the same organisms which suggests a possibility of separate "ecosystems". Talk about variables. Sorry. I'm a layman, obviously.

Where I part agreement is with the idea that something has to be bioengineered or programmed to have the ability to exhibit changing behavior or survival traits. Bacterium produce both sexually and asexually. Here's the scary part: if one bacteria survived the onslaught of a particular body's defenses and encounters a bacteria that isn't equipped to endure the onslaught, the stronger will exchange the needed genetic information with the weaker. It "knows" this without ever having been touched by man.

There we go. That's all 15 cents of my opinion. Great topic.

BB

[pat]

see www.silentsuperbug.com

Scroll down the page and view the visitors to this page where you can view two videos.
For what my opinion is worth I believe it has been invented because nature could not produce something as pernicious as this.
Think you have a good point bad boy- i have read where this 'thing' entering the body is so tiny the immune system misses it.And yes the way people experience different sitings of this or are bothered with different' varieties' again is something not seen in an 'ordinary 'run of mill bacteria.

[Bad_Boy]

Hi again, Patrice.

No, I wasn't saying it was bacteria (mine are visible--one disqualifier). I was speaking (typing) in analogies and doing rather poorly by the looks of it . Bacteria were the only organisms I knew that were lowly enough and still exhibit "intelligence".

I'll watch the vid as soon as it has finished loading (sloooooooooowwwwwwlllllly). Thank you for the link.

BB

[Kritters]

STOP THE MUSIC AND HOLD THE PHONE!

Is this the first time that video link was posted? Okay, I'm falling all over myself with thoughts now, so please forgive here as I'm just the layest of laypeople and am learning (so much) as I attempt to put things together.

Are these actual pictures in that video of the synthetic proteins and superbugs? I see a striking similarity to Silverlark's recent pictures and guess what else? In my microscope as well.

WHY %$&**@$ ON EARTH WOULD WE INTENTIONALLY CREATE A SYNTHETIC SUPERBUG THAT NATURE CANNOT FIGHT? (well we all know the answer to that, but I'm still incredulous given the magnitude of human error) And this part of what stem cell research is used for? (according to the video).

Okay, having gotten that off my chest.... if these are actual photos of superbugs and proteins, etc. they very well could be causing Morgs in some people. It only stands to reason that they were 'somehow' allowed to gain entry into our environment. Forget the chemtrails for now.

Badboy has great points (very impressive, BB and for a 'layman' you expressed this very well) But that doesn't mean some Morg situations are NOT a result of synthetic or scientifically altered critters either.

And how timely is this? Last week a friend of mine (did I post this already? sorry if I did) who lives in Arizona told me her aunt who is dying in a few days was JUST diagnosed with Mad Cow. The culprit in Mad Cow, according to her quick research, is a protein (prion). So she dismissed my comment about parasites being involved and that it's probably an autoimmune disease related to that since it is caused by a PROTEIN which people do not usually associate with micro-ORGANISMS. I let it go and researched a bit more. Seems 'they' don't really know what a PRION is. So now, according to this video, proteins are very much a part of superbug creation and my lay thoughts are that parasites, bacteria, etc. utilize and work with protein as well. Now, scientists already know this, I'm sure.

I sure wish we could get a micro-biologist on board here.

IF YOU'RE OUT THERE, MR. MICROBIOLOGIST....HELP US SAVE THE WORLD!!!

Oh, by the way....HAPPY HALLOWEEN....I'm going trick or treating as a leper.

Kritts

[Kritters]

Back again

I just tried to put my head down and take a nap but the realization popped into my head that I didn't write something else I think is important.

In Mad Cow disease, the prion is significant (according to my understanding) because scientists are having a debate about this. In one camp they are speculating that what is creating a freak protein is the pesticides injested by the cows which actually are made to injest the rotted corpses of other cows which also injested huge amounts of a certain pesticide. Of course, not to mention what natural biologic goodies that came from the rot.

Kritts

[Kritters]

Guess who? (looks like I'll never get that nap)

I agree with your friend, Patrice. People tend to make associations and we have no way of knowing if there is any relationship whatsoever to that from the 1600's report. In fact, I think that should never even have brought into the picture since the documentation in complete form, if there is one, isn't presented as evidence. The mere fact that 'delusional parasitosis' is mentioned frequently throughout any google information is important also since people tend to pick up on that sort of thing and will continue to associate it in some way.

Mary Laitao, who coined this current 'disease', "Morgellons" should have started fresh with a new name for it, since there is no definite connection with any previously acknowledged or unacknowledged factual symptomatic disease.

How about, "Stringy Critters disease"?

(sigh) too late now...........:-(
Kritts

[Bad_Boy]

Hi, Kritters.

Don't worry: I'm not discounting the possibility of genetically modified organisms. I'm just saying that we cannot exclude natural causes by the current arguments posed. To be perverse, the former cause would almost be preferable to the latter. Who can get angry with the course of nature?

Prions are interesting, aren't they? I always thought it was the byproduct of cannibalism because thats how I first heard about them: kuru . Somehow, I've had more of a vague impression that it was a simple molecular reaction of a rogue protein. However, my memory is certainly not what it used to be (and it wasn't good at the start, either). Much reading is in store. Has anyone else had increased difficulty in that activity since this illness?

Anyway, I've found other prion disorders that don't involve cannibalism throughWikipedia. However, I haven't verified the sources of these articles yet. I'm just too worn out/ lazy to do so today.

BTW, I'm sorry about your friend's aunt.

Love your humor kritters and am sorry about your nap. Sleep well tonight.

BB