Eureka Moment

[alceysia]

I've had a 'eureka moment' concerning diagnosing & treating Morgellons Disease.
For example, in a bad car accident, little pieces of glass are embedded in your skin, & later these glass pieces come out of your skin, in the same ways that fibers come out of your skin with Morgellons Disease.
With all the synthetic fibers we wear, in our clothes and bed clothing as well as genetically modified cottons, how can scientists say that these fibers couldn't become embedded in the skin? Our pulse could theoretically twist these embedded fibers, causing irritations, itching & fibers could become twisted & erupt from the skin.
We excrete many chemicals thru our skin. why not fibers?

[jonsi]

Hi alcey,

Welcome! Whatever is coming out of our skin is not man-made or natural fibers. The FBI can't identify the fibers and the CDC can't identify this either. There is no cellular structure to "M", otherwise I think we could identify it.

Outside in, inside out????

In the white light,
~jonsi

[tcmgpt13]

Are you not overlooking the identification of the fibers as containing cellulose which is of interest because this substance is found in plants? Cellulose as a polymer is also found in hair care products, skin care products and also in makeup and more. Yet this cellulose identification might also connect the fibers in some way to the agrobacterium which lately has been dropped from discussions about Morgellons everywhere. It certainly warrants further research which most likely will not come out of OSU and Wymore. In fact I can see Wymore perhaps may have an interest as far as where he works in insisting the fibers are not any known substance. Yet others besides him have found that they probably are natural and contain cellulose. It was Wymore who hinted on national TV that something may be coming to earth from outer space to cause Morgellons. Very interesting. Very. As far as I know cellulose is found everywhere in the environment, but then facts as far recent Morgellons research seldom get in the way.

quote=jonsi;89302]Hi alcey,

Welcome! Whatever is coming out of our skin is not man-made or natural fibers. The FBI can't identify the fibers and the CDC can't identify this either. There is no cellular structure to "M", otherwise I think we could identify it.

Outside in, inside out????

In the white light,
~jonsi[/quote]

[fritolay66]

Are you not overlooking the identification of the fibers as containing cellulose which is of interest because this substance is found in plants?

Yet this cellulose identification might also connect the fibers in some way to the agrobacterium which lately has been dropped from discussions about Morgellons everywhere.

Cellulose is of interest but not in the context of plants ie: the source of agrobacterium. They looked at the connection originally when they identified a positive for agrobacterium in one patient. I believe that occured originally at Stony Brook, Dr. Citovski (sp)? But research into that connection failed to move forward because they couldn't get a positive identification across a wide range of Morgellons sufferers.

The cellulose is the key, and you are completely correct in saying it warrants further investigation. And plants are involved but in a manner some would not suspect.

Do any of you realize the connection of cellulose to biofilm and abnormal protein synthesis? They can't identify it because it is a new protein formed by protein aggregation, and results in abnormal protein synthesis. It is a fiber composed of protein. And a protein aggregate, can be quite insoluble as it is a polymer.

Frito

[tcmgpt13]

I feel plants are an important source of some of the cellulose found in the body. This introduced cellulose could become a part of fiber production. I also mentioned agrobacterium in my prior post. Right now we do not know what happens from all the exposures we have to the cellulose contained in personal care products. Or to those contained in plastics. Cellulose is also a filler in medications and supplements. And many more products such as some processed foods. All of it, once introduced into the body, can also accumulate in the body, causing problems down the road, maybe even hooking up with the type of bacteria which create biofilms. So I see plants as being very much in context when it comes to cellulose contained in Morgellons fibers.

It appears that a total of five (not just one) Morgellons patients were tested by Citovsky and all had agrobacterium in their samples. For those who are new here is the abstract for this small study which is posted from information found originally on the MRF. This is why I believe more research is definitely needed to learn more about exactly how cellulose is involved in fiber production in the body. I believe that funding for this small study was very limited at that time and today is totally non-existent as is scientific interest:

Contribution of Agrobacterium to Morgellons Disease.

RB Stricker, VR Savely, A Zaltsman, V Citovsky California Pacific Medical Center, San Francisco, CA International Lyme Associated Diseases Society, Bethesda, MD State University of New York, Stony Brook, NY.

Background:

Morgellons disease is characterized by dysesthesias and dermatologic lesions that range from minor to disfiguring (Savely VR, LeitaoMM, Stricker RB. Am J Clin Dermatol 2006;7:1-5).

The disease has been reported primarily in Florida, Texas and California. Although an infectious etiology of Morgellons disease has been postulated, treatment of the disease remains problematic, with many patients having inadequate responses to antimicrobial therapy. Skin biopsies of Morgellons patients reveal non-specific pathology or an inflammatory process with no observable pathogens, often with fibrous material projecting from inflamed epidermal tissue. Morgellons skin fibers appear to contain cellulose. This observation indicates possible involvement of pathogenic Agrobacterium, which is known to produce cellulose fibers at infection sites within host tissues.

Methods:

Skin biopsy samples from two Morgellons patients were subjected to high-stringency PCR testing for genes encoded by the Agrobacterium chromosome. Screening of the same samples for Agrobacterium virulence (vir) genes and T-DNA sequences in the patient's genome was also performed. Results: PCR screening indicated the presence of Agrobacterium genes derived both from the chromosome and from the Ti plasmid, including the T-DNA, in tissues from both Morgellons patients.

Conclusions:

Our preliminary results indicate that Agrobacterium may be involved in the etiology and/or progression of Morgellons disease. If these results are confirmed, it would be the first example of a plant-infecting bacterium playing a role in human disease.

Further testing is ongoing to validate this observation and to determine whether Agrobacterium not only resides in the infected areas, but also transforms them genetically.

Research Update, January 14, 2007 Vitaly Citovsky, Ph.D.

Our continuing screen of additional Morgellons patients has identified Agrobacterium genetic material in three additional individuals. Thus, all Morgellons patients screened to date have tested positive for the presence of Agrobacterium, whereas this microorganism has not been detected in any of the samples derived from the control, healthy individuals.

morgellons.org/suny.htm

quote=fritolay66;89351]Cellulose is of interest but not in the context of plants ie: the source of agrobacterium. They looked at the connection originally when they identified a positive for agrobacterium in one patient. I believe that occured originally at Stony Brook, Dr. Citovski (sp)? But research into that connection failed to move forward because they couldn't get a positive identification across a wide range of Morgellons sufferers.

The cellulose is the key, and you are completely correct in saying it warrants further investigation. And plants are involved but in a manner some would not suspect.

Do any of you realize the connection of cellulose to biofilm and abnormal protein synthesis? They can't identify it because it is a new protein formed by protein aggregation, and results in abnormal protein synthesis. It is a fiber composed of protein. And a protein aggregate, can be quite insoluble as it is a polymer.

Frito[/quote]

[fritolay66]

I feel plants are an important source of some of the cellulose found in the body. This introduced cellulose could become a part of fiber production.

It is. Do you remember talking about all the food poisoning incidents taking place a few years ago? Maybe that was over at LB for me, but those incidents have everything to do with us. Its the modifications they are doing to our plant food, and one of the organisms they use most often is E coli. In fact it was one of the first to be tinkered with and has continued since then. Also, everyone knows by now that I have been diagnosed with a pathogenic strain. And I have the same symptoms as all of you. Its those modifications in those years in which created new novel foreign proteins in our bodies and cause fiber formation. Cellulose is created by bacteria, E coli being one of them, and they create it and deposit it into their associated biofilms.

Right now we do not know what happens from all the exposures we have to the cellulose contained in personal care products.

A good point, but for me, I am more worried about how they have manipulated E coli and its capability. I know in the past, Baculovirus was reported by ---- as a plasmid vector, but what they have been doing is using viral chaperones instead of plasmid vectors, and chaperones could be more difficult to address. And have everything to do with fiber formation.

There is a strain of E coli in which ironically targeted middle aged women. Ususally, in normal e coli pathogenecity, it is the very young and the aged, and men and women are equally affected, but with this strain, it has not been the case. It was also an e coli responsible for a very public outbreak of food poisoning. So they have changed the e coli and it is being ingested.

This particular strain also secretes a toxin. It is a shiga- like toxin, a veratoxin, and is quite similar in action to ricin poisoning. We all know with ricin, that ingestion is a slower poisoning, but none the less a poisoning. This toxin is what initiates the interference with protein synthesis.

Here I go hijacking another thread. Going to start a new thread later this morning, perhaps you can join me there?

Frito