Hi I'm new in town

[kckc]

. tcm, i have noticed that you have changed the wording on your post.I'm sorry I started this thread. want to move on.?.

[Sadsack]

kckc -

Who is Dr. Pierce from Precision? Is he a chiropractor?

Also, I never heard that $10,000 number in connection to Ginger Savely. Can you elaborate?

SS

PS - Welcome!!!

[tcmgpt13]

Precision is probably Precision Herbs. At one time I know Overman, the owner of the site, was selling herbs and some other expensive treatments to treat Morgellons.

Precision Herbs,A Private Healthcare Membership Association.: Health and Healing! <font size="+1" color="gray">Salud y Sanidad!

Here mention is made of Eric Pierce, ND:

Precision Herbs is a manufacturing business founded, owned, and operated by Dr James R Overman, ND. We manufacture over 500 herbal remedies, subtle energy devises and electronic devices. Our precision formulated herbal products are each specifically designed to accomplish one particular health goal as well as we possibly can. Our products have been formulated by Dr. James R. Overman, N.D., Dr. Eric A. Pierce, N.D. and Dr. Terry Reed, N.D.

Precision Herbs,A Private Healthcare Membership Association.: About Us

At one time as well his herbal book was available free on google books as I read some of it there (I think this is no longer true).

Precision Herbs,A Private Healthcare Membership Association.: Overcoming Parasites Naturally

I do not know how effective any of these herbs might be, but it is interesting that Enviro girl, also a recent arrival as is kckc, has recently discussed this same company on this forum.

Precision Herbs,A Private Healthcare Membership Association.: Morgons Fighting Products:

Here's a post from another forum that I found by Envirogirl, dated Nov 16 2008:

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I have been waiting to say this since 03/25/06 –“Folks, I swear to God, I think I found a CURE for Morgellon’s!”. No gimmick. I want nothing from you, except to help end your suffering ASAP and to give you back your lives.
I’m not a doctor, not a scientist, not in denial…I am a fellow victim, I got Morgellon’s cleaning up litter when I backed into a sharp tree, I later found a dead tick in my sweater. I got immediately sick, as soon as I hit into The Tree. Fever, strongest onset of flu-like feeling I ever felt, I was disoriented, my body knew something was WRONG. When I came home that day, I had shards of something RED in my shoe, that also embedded deep into my calf and foot. Later on, intense itching on my back, a weird nodule grew, lactose intolerant within about 14 days. I got sicker and sicker. My back had turned purplish-red from shoulder to shoulder. This weird crap & fuzz started coming out of my back, I thought things were falling onto my skin from the ceiling. There were always dark fibers or fuzz on my toilet paper, too – Like I was turning into a giant dryer sheet! Something weird that looked like a bent rusty paper clip could be seen slightly underneath the skin on my back…I was misdiagnosed by 5 overpaid ‘doctors’ who either said or thought I was nuts. The best I ever heard was ‘landscaping fungus’. I was prescribed and took Cipro for lyme, Sporanox for sporotrichosis…It didn’t work. By now, I had painful lesions on my leg, knees, arms, back, neck and in my left cheek. Blotches of white where the pigment was gone across my back. I never ate anymore. I had no energy. I either slept all the time or I couldn’t sleep @ all. I lost interest in anything I ever cared about. I would cry at the drop of a hat or get very angry or upset. I got my first two grey hairs ever in a line w/2 lesions on my neck. I lost many a hair, too. I’d find these freak balls of hair w/lint inside them around my house…I felt like I had arthritis in my back and all over. My bones popped and cracked like I was 100…
One day, about a year after The Tree - my right eye began a nervous twitch, I had weird eye goop (like people w/lupus), I would vomit violently & randomly. Suddenly, I couldn’t think clearly and I couldn’t spell anymore. I freaked out! I called the health food store and the owner said “Honey, c’mon out, it’s gonna be alright – it sounds like you’ve got some friends in you!” 
I took 2 ParaGone cleanses over 2 years by ReNew Life, I took about 7 other things for different kinds of parasites. I waited for the CDC & NIH to start doing their jobs. That certainly didn’t work…So, I carefully spaced out each ‘remedy’ and never mixed things or did anything dangerous,(no chemicals, no metals) so that I could safely help US if I ever found something that worked. I was better after the cleanses, but I still had marks & I was still hurling almost daily…
Until now, people. Morgellonex. I found it!
I am on Day 24/26 and I know this is it - I didn’t change my junky diet, all I did besides Morgellonex was to continue to NEVER drink or really even city touch tap water like I had not for years, I did regular tanning (never burning myself!) in a normal tanning bed every week or more and I used drawing salve/black tar/ichthammol bandaged on lesions.
Morgellonex by Precision Herbs. http://www.precisionherbs.com/index.cfm...

As was posted here:
Morgellons Disease - What is It? - Topix

[Katinka]

...hmmm...
ty tcm

[tcmgpt13]

Here's another reference to Precision Herbs, this time by 10meters who copied a posted originally made by Susan Kolb MD. Note that this was posted in 2007, so these herbs and treatments have been available for use in Morgellons treatment for some time. Note also that there are no loud cries of "Eureka, I am cured" from this treatment or any other treatment tried for Morgellons. Improvements are often noted, but cures so far have been elusive. If anything had been a cure I am pretty sure that after all this time it would have been noticed. This particular protocol is a pretty extensive and expensive protocol (not all of it is from Precision Herbs) and one which would be difficult to maintain for any length of time:

Morgellon treatmetnt protocol susan kolb. Failed?

I just located Kolb's updated protocol from her site. If anything it is even longer than it was in 2007 (but still has the Precision Herb products) and more complicated. Only someone who had a lot of money, time and energy could attempt this, especially as it is not a cure. It is just a way to perhaps ameliorate symptoms:

Atlanta Plastic Surgery | Plastikos - Morgellon's Disease Treatment Protocol | Plastikos Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, Atlanta, Georgia

[Bee]

Hi kckc, I have one question,,,,,,,Did ya feed the horses before ya wrote that letter ?

[Bee]

Nothing,Envirogirl mentioned you have horses, so do I.

[kckc]

I thought this to be interesting, I'm gonna try the red wine thing, but I might not want to swish it out, I know I'll want to drink it, I love me some red wine.[color="Blue"]
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:56 PM
Subject: Morgelllons////desease from Chemtrails

MORGELLONS...
A Natural Medicine Approach
Posted by C.E. Carnicom on Behalf of the Author:
Gwen Scott, N.D.
Jan 27 2008
Last Edit Feb 12 2008

Timing is everything, we are told, and now seems to be the time for some revelations.

Those of you who have watched Clifford Carnicom’s documentary on the aerosol operations (Chemtrails) will know me. We have worked together for many years now, trying very hard to unravel the purpose, content, and impact of what is being dumped into our air supply every day. It should be realized that because these are very small particles, they are systemic to your entire body in less than a minute. Think about that, seriously.

My interest is, primarily, finding natural medicines that can help ALL people mitigate the devastating effects of a multi-leveled assault on human health. Mr.Carnicom has provided immeasurable help in identifying contents so that I may design some natural medicine protocols around them. And make no mistake, the contents can be changed at any time without our knowledge or consent. In fact, I believe it has happened and will continue to happen without accountability.

Before I continue a few legal issues need to be addressed. New Mexico and most other states do not license Naturopathic Doctors. The law says I may educate you, but I cannot diagnose illness, or prescribe any medications. With that in mind, I am going to recount my own personal journey with Chemtrail implications as well as “Morgellons.” If any of the information I present has meaning to you, please find an enlightened and competent health care practitioner to work directly with you. Many natural medicines and drugs (prescription and over the counter) do not interact very well, and in some cases, can cause dangerous contraindications. It is imperative that you work closely with a professional you trust and not try to “cowboy” your health circumstances. I give you permission to share any and all information presented here with your health care practitioner so that he/she may evaluate it in light of your own regimen and symptoms.

Also, it is important that you understand one of the founding principles of natural medicine…Herring’s Law of Cure. This law presents that your body will rid itself of anything unwanted (diseases, etc.) from top to bottom, from the inside to the outside, and in the reverse order in which it entered your system. As you will see, much of the work on my own body follows this law exactly.

I am presenting both empirical (personal observation) with scientific information. Many thanks to Clifford Carnicom (hundreds of unpaid hours on his side), a research doctor, a surgeon, a chemist, and many publications for the scientific information. Although I do not have formal scientific training, I have read many books on human anatomy and physiology (structure and function of the systems) as well as herbal remedies, and all other natural modalities. I have also spent lots of hours looking into a microscope. I have a degree as a Naturopathic Doctor from an accredited college. But again, this is a journal of my personal experiences and not in any way to be understood as a “how to” remedy for the Chemtrail maladies, including “Morgellons.”

I spoke of timing at the beginning. It is time to say I am the “Morgellons” person that Mr. Carnicom used for many of his blood, skin, lung, and mouth samples. At the beginning of this work, I was the only provider. Now with so many people willing to give him samples, I know his work will continue. It is time for me to step forward.

I will get to what is being called “Morgellons” disease in just a minute. I must say, in my opinion, it’s not really a disease in the traditional sense. It is not measles or mumps. It doesn’t run a finite course nor is it exclusive to contact with other humans. What we are looking at here is an inorganic fiber and other components delivered through the air supply. In my opinion, what we are really looking at is a progressive “system” or “syndrome” in which “Morgellons” is just the latest and most visible aspect.

My journey into this “syndrome” began over ten years ago. I felt “something” was in me that didn’t belong…a gut feeling. I also noticed that my joints were aching more than they should, I got tired easily, I was getting skins breakouts, and my digestion was “off.” I was eating well (organics, free range meats, etc.) and exercising, yet I felt my vitality slipping. I decided to begin a program of “wellness” without any idea where it would lead me.

I began by introducing herbs and herbal combinations that would address the full range of pathogens that might be causing me problems…bacteria, virus, fungus, and parasite. I was able to eliminate organic parasites at the beginning. That still left me with the other three. So, I searched for and found one herbal combination that addressed all three. It is called Deep Health by Herbs, Etc. I also made some bad or aggressive choices that were really quite dangerous which I will not share. With this herbal extract I began to get sores all over my head, but, mindful of Herring’s Law, I saw this as a good thing (top to bottom, in to out) They were painful, numerous, volcano like, and produced scabs that were very itchy and would not heal for weeks, months, and, in one case, two years. Of course, at the time, it was before Chemtrail awareness, so I assumed something from earlier years was coming out or some new disease I didn’t know was presenting (later I was to look at photos and see the lines in the sky that I was unaware of at the time.)Those sores were exactly like the ones I have today on my back, but I cannot tell you if there were fibers in the scabs. I strongly suspect there were.

One thing that is very interesting. After my scalp finally healed my hair got thicker, the few gray hairs I had fell out, replaced by much darker hair. Also, the texture of my hair changed. Instead of straight, fine hair it became more coarse and wavy. I don’t know why to this day, but I took it as a good sign. I have a client in Los Angeles who I began working with about 8-months ago and he reports that his once gray eyebrows are now brown again. He also says his once brown hair is growing in again…that he has brown roots in his white hair. Again, I take this as a sign of renewed health.

I began to look at what was happening very carefully. Surely this was not a “normal” or known situation (ten years ago.) I started to see a “network” under my skin that looked like it might be fungal in nature. I contacted a good friend who is a research doctor to get his opinion. Strangely enough, he and his research partner had been looking at live blood samples under an atomic microscope and observed a fungus in EVERYBODY’S blood sample, including his own (note: Mr. Carnicom is finding fibers and an unknown, perhaps bacterial, form in everyone’s blood as well.) He was very upset because he said it looked “altered” and was using very fine particulate metals as weapons against the immune system. He said the fungus actually collected heavy metals and “stabbed” all immune responders. It sounded so science fiction to me at the time. He told me that he had found a great metal detoxification method using food grade diatomaceous earth that he took everyday in distilled water (perma-guard.com.) He said about one tablespoon would work for most adults. The FDA doesn’t give approval for taking diatomaceous earth internally in humans, but we can give it to our cats, dogs, cattle, pigs, sheep, goats, etc. Most feed stores carry it. The only known contraindication is if it is taken with food. It will not recognize what metals are good for you (iron, trace copper, etc) and what ones are harmful. My research doctor friend says it will bind up metals and carry them out of your body. I do know this therapy is widely used in India (white earth,) especially by pregnant women. I met the head medicine man of the Shoshone Indian People and he told me they have historically used it to detoxify people. I also met an African American healer in Georgia last year and he told me they’d been using it in his community for years, all the way back to the days of slavery.

At this point in my journey I realized that I not only needed to get rid of any metals in my system, but I needed to go on an aggressive anti-fungal diet with supporting herbs. I made sure to eat LOTS of garlic, onions, etc. and I avoided ALL sugars. I drank Pau D’ Arco tea daily and began to see some important results. I also found a wonderful anti-fungal herbal combination that is no longer available, but Herbs, Etc. has a similar one called Yeast ReLeaf. It should be said, I have no financial ties with any of the companies I mention in this journal.

I continued to eat organics, drink distilled water, and eat, moderately, only free range meats. And I began to notice some vitality returning with the anti-fungal focus. But, I also knew that I was far from “clean.”

[kckc]

About eight years ago I became sadly aware of the Chemtrails. I was blessed to be introduced to Clifford Carnicom, who at that time was a voice in the wilderness. He began to share with me all of the data he was gathering and I began to see why it was so important to get those metals out of the system. Recently, the National Institute for Health in Washington, D.C. released a report on barium. The report linked barium “intoxication” to M.S., ALS, and other diseases of “unknown” origins. The report also said that the military sprayed barium in the air! That was certainly interesting to me. A good deal of research is available linking aluminum to Alzheimer’s disease, especially when the aluminum is combined with fluoride.

Also recently, an oncologist in Italy, Dr. Tullio Simoncini, says he believes cancer is really a fungus. Many other doctors came out in support when he was attacked for presenting his work. He is currently treating people with cancer with enormous success cancerfungus.com]Simoncini natural cancer therapy - treat tumors with sodium bicarbonate[/url]). I personally think he is on the right track and so does my surgeon friend who tells me they are opening people up and finding them full of fungus.

He told me there are times they can’t even find the organs because they are “covered” with fungus. I personally have not seen this, but this surgeon has years of experience and no reason to mislead me. I think a strong anti-fungal diet is a great idea. There are many books at the health store outlining them. I should say, most of the books are focused on Candida Albicans, a common fungus and we may be looking at a different “breed” here, but it’s a good start.

I have also found anti-fungal soaps of great help. The brand called Miracle II and its companion Neutralizer have been invaluable in my healing process miracle2.net]Untitled[/url]). Most health stores carry anti-fungal soaps, usually with Tea Tree Oil.

About three years ago, I began to get open, painful sores on my back…they remain to this day. Old ones, in time, will close up and I will think I am finished, but new ones will appear, sometimes overnight. This is the “Morgellons” aspect of my journey. It wasn’t until Mr. Carnicom put the scar tissue under high magnification that the true nature of these sores came to light. In every scar tissue they was at least one and sometimes many fibers. Now I began to understand why the process was ongoing. I breathe…fibers are in the air supply…body wants them out. So, I stand alone, at this time, with the following theory…Morgellons is NOT a disease in the conventional sense. It is the body’s HEALTHY response to an invader, or foreign matter, that does not belong. It seeks to push it out.

About one month ago my teeth started aching. It was slight at first and I really didn’t pay attention. About 4am one morning I awoke with the most painful “tooth ache” I could imagine. I tried every remedy I knew to no avail. I “talked to the kingdom” and got the answer to rinse the tooth vigorously with red wine. I certainly wouldn’t have thought of that. The results are on Mr. Carnicom’s web site. I continue to “pull” them out everyday with the red wine therapy and, although not as many are coming out, I am still producing. It would be an interesting test to run for yourself to see if you have fibers in your gums. Many of my friends who do not have a single “Morgellons” symptom have done it and in all cases fibers can be seen in the sink. Another interesting test is to take your temperature (digital is the fastest) everyday. Everyone seems to be running lower than the 98.6 average. Some of my clients are down in the 94-95 range.

We now know that combined with these fibers are a pathogen that has yet to be identified. It appears to cause damage to the blood, consequently all body systems. I keep hoping that someone with some expertise in this field will step up to the plate and help Mr. Carnicom with his efforts. You know, if you breathe…or your children breathe…or your mother breathes…time to understand that ALL humans are involved.

Another component that is also part of the “Morgellons syndrome” is a luminescent material that some call plastic, others silicone. It comes out of the lungs, eyes, skin, and mouth. My tears are very sticky, a recent development. The material “glows” under a black light and is unknown in its properties. Also, its purpose is unknown as well. I do know that it has somehow incorporated into what is leaving my body. It also contains the unknown pathogen seen in the fibers.

I was interested to note that as I drove across the country recently, in three different states a large “glob” of perfectly clear material hit my windshield (not a gift from the birds.) When I tried to clean it off with my wipers it smeared and took many passes to finally clear. I didn’t collect any samples, but it wouldn’t be surprising if this material coming out of my body is one and the same.

Also of interest to me, on CNN Anderson Cooper presented a series called Planet In Peril and one of the segments contained the results of a blood test he had taken. It was reported that he had an unusually high amount of “plastic” in his blood…wonder if we all do.

I do know that a scientist named Marcel Vogel was experimenting with luminescent materials and their uses in the 70’s (Secret Life of Plants.) He later went to work for IBM and there are many patents with his name involving luminescent material. I was particularly interested in the one involving Electro-luminescent materials, but couldn’t get into the data.

[kckc]

Another curious phenomenon…EVERYBODY’S eyes I have examined under a black light reveal that their pupils “glow” or are luminescent. Is this normal? Perhaps an expert can tell me, as I remember black light parties in the 60’s and I personally don’t remember pupils glowing.

Another interesting observation…after the sores finishing expelling blood with fibers, the scar tissue becomes “plastic” which also contains the fibers.

One final note. There is a huge assault on all life forms taking place electro-magnetically. The planet and all life on it evolved, together, with a common electro-magnetic field. We know from Mr. Carnicom’s work that new frequencies of many levels are being introduced into the atmosphere. How can this not affect us? We are electro-magnetic beings. Could these new “waves” be causing the epidemics I see in depression (NBC reported that nearly ONE-HALF of all Americans are taking anti-depressants,) sleep depravation, tinnitis (ear ringing,) and memory loss? A physicist told me that some of these new frequencies correspond to the same frequencies in the brain that control sleep, mood, and memory. What “materials” are in our body that might respond to these frequencies as well? I certainly don’t know, but it is worth considering when taking a holistic approach to wellness.



FINAL OBSERVATIONS

So, as far as I can observe, we are dealing with a highly integrated “system,” not one disease called “Morgellons.”

And, as I have indicated, it needs to be addressed on a number of levels…heavy metals, fungus, diet, etc. I know you cannot hope to heal eating processed, denatured, chemically rich foods. It has been suggested that perhaps some of what we are looking at here actually comes into us through our food supply. I don’t know. Consider what you put in your mouth very carefully…does it heal or harm? If you are serious about being well during these times, you really have to look at your diet. “Food is your remedy, your remedy is food” Hippocrates.

Fungus is a major player…so are fibers, a bacterial form (mycoplasma, etc) and luminescent materials. There might be others as yet unseen. A research doctor is sure we also have nano-technology in there as well. Although I haven’t observed any in the blood samples, I wouldn’t be surprised. Many of the national labs are spending a lot of money and research on nano-tecnology. Some of the titles of the studies are very unnerving.

I have another observation based purely on my own physical experience. The more I rid my body of these unwanted materials, the more people tell me that I am looking younger. My hair is thick…I have lost about 10-pounds that I simply couldn’t get rid of…they just feel off and I am returned to my “normal” weight. My eyesight has improved dramatically…20-250 to 20-150 in a year and the process continues. Many of the “age” lines on my face have disappeared and my previously achy joints don’t bother me at all. Could it be that these materials are designed to age us rapidly? I have heard lots of people talking lately about how their friends and family members are getting old quickly. I have noticed it myself. Could the agenda presented years ago to thin the population be in full swing (read “….and the truth shall set you free by David Icke.) It seems like it to me.

A final word to anyone involved in spraying our skies…even if you think you are doing something good for the citizens of the world…you are not. And if you and those you love breathe…well then, someone has mislead you. I believe in time we will find that EVERYONE has “Morgellons” syndrome. That EVERYONE, whether they are presenting sores or not, is carrying fibers, fungus, luminescent material, etc. Mr. Carnicom’s most recent work would certainly lead us in that direction.

Again, work with a professional who understands and has the expertise to help you towards wellness.

I will update this journal with new information as it appears.

Stand in The Light

Blessings and Good Health

Gwen Scott, N.D.

Update

Gwen Scott, N.D.

Many thanks to the gentleman with scientific information who contacted me regarding my paper.

He told me that black lights have “short” or “long” waves. He said the short wave type is harmful to the eyes if a person looks into it for a period of time. He also told me it should be labeled either “short” or “long” wave on the tube. So, if you are going to look into your eyes, or use the black light on another person, please make sure it is a “long” wave light.

Another point from this gentleman…he said I really should be using the term “fluorescent” instead of “luminescent” when describing the material that glows. As it seems to reflect, rather than generate light, I think it makes sense.

I thank everyone for the feedback and look forward to some more scientific input. I know Mr. Carnicom has been waiting for help on his end as well.

I would like to emphasize again that Herring’s Law of Cure is very important in this process of clearing the body of unwanted “debris.” Once again, be thankful if your body has the health and strength to push fibers, “plastic,” and other unwanted invaders out of you. We have been trained to believe that any “outbreak” should be immediately suppressed. In natural medicine the opposite holds true. We see this process as a sign of a healthy immune system and strong “chi.”

Finally, a few years ago I wrote a general paper for this site with specific suggestions for mitigating “Chemtrail” sickness. Although new information and scientific findings have come to light, the presentation could still be of help to you (Natural Medicine For These Times.)

“Get Onboard“ Dorothy Love Coats Gospel Singer

Many Blessings and Good Health

February 9, 2008…Quick Update

I discovered this morning that combining a few therapies can increase the productivity of the wine/teeth therapy quite a bit.

For a few years now I have taken three to four Q-tips soaked in hydrogen peroxide and gone around the area where my teeth meet the gums. I follow this with flossing and rinsing with the Miracle II Neutralizer. Today I immediately followed that therapy with the vigorous swishing of red wine and was astounded at the rate of production. The amount of material (fibers) expelled was at least four to five times more than I get using the wine therapy separately. You might want to give it a try.

Many Blessings

Gwen Scott, N.D.

[Editor's Note: A major portion of the recent research on the Morgellons issue has been made possible through the kindness, generosity and the unselfish contributions from Gwen Scott, N.D. Eternal gratitude is extended to her for the help and assistance that she has offered to the public and to you. We continue to do the best that we can with the means and resources that are available to us. CEC]

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