Hi I'm new in town

[kckc]

Hi Bee.OH, I get it, I thought you meant I was full sheeeeeit., With the constipation, I really am though.
Enviro was once picking my brain, trying to pin point the exact time when I came into contact with the agro.
What I remember is when I was 18/19 I went horse back riding, with a boy, and the day after I had this excruciating itchiness on the bottom part of my legs. MD's, couldn't explain all the little red bumps, and painful itching. So after they called a few doctors to examine me, they said I had a bacterial infection in my hair follicles, gave me some cream and sent me home.
Looking back now, I remember how my health slowly started to deteriorate, again at age 23 or so I had an out break all over my stomach, no where else, just the front of my stomach. Again the docs didn't know, called in more docs, nothing, sent me home with steroid cream. Health still getting worse, I think my Dr. just thought I was a hyperchrondiac, how u spell?, And I got the "there's always something wrong with you" from my family, or "your always sick".
SO no, I don't have horses, but I think I should give it a try again, my baby would like it, I don't think I can catch anything worse.

[tcmgpt13]

kckc, a lot of what you are posting has already been posted here in the past. Jonsi has put a lot on the forum about Carnicom and Gwen Scott already, including videos made by them.

You might want to do some reading of past posts to catch up.

As far as I know though, there still is no cure for Morgellons, including any herbal formulas and machines which have been used to try to accomplish this feat. Also some machines and herbals that Overman sells do cost more than $22.50. If more than one herbal formula is used at a time this is especially true. While these may help symptoms, again I am fairly sure that none of it is a cure for Morgellons. If only...

[Enviro Girl]

TCM - I did try that. Yes, I've tried more than one thing, as many of us have. Is that OK or do I need to run my whole past history by ya? I didn't know squat about naturopathy back then, still don't know enough about it yet, can't wait to learn. They had that product before they made this one, the new ones I posted are the product names of what kckc and I guinea pigged, that's not this. I was on Day 24/26, it would have taken a year longer than that to work (2-3 mos to heal for every yr sick.). That did a lot, but that was before some more research was done and Precision went back to the drawing board. (I appreciate that someone is actually trying for us, repeatedly vs. DOP misdiagnoses or Big Pharma pushing and charging thousands for visits)
Thanks for doing so much research on my old posts, it'd be great if we all focused on helping each other find CURES and trying them vs. being suspicious of those who try to help. Kinda makes ppl not want to help, I'm not sure if that's the Tag Team goal of you and Tinky or if you just resent outsiders trying to help or what the problem seems to be, but let's get it all out there in the open: (yawn)
Did you go to Precision for Morgellon's and they asked you to buy a $500 machine that may be what wholesalers use or what did they personally do to you to have you so positive they couldn't invent something new to CURE us? If there's something bad, I would like to know - but I think you can probably find a way to spend a lot in any kind of store, if that is the goal. Just because they sell something expensive unrelated to Morgellon's is not a valid reason to poison others against helping themselves, right?
So, let's get specific, what did they ask you to spend on Morgellon's or are you just speaking out of school or ?
Thanks!,
(honestly, if there's something bad I want to and need to know - but not more 100% false libel like we've seen thus far, such as 'they don't exist' from your Tinky pal. Others are trying to get well, we'd appreciate the lack of libel.)

KCKC, glad you made it! - Most folks on here are great! I've been telling 'em all about cha! Yah, I told Bee about the horses, cuz when I saw that in her name it made me think of you and it took my breath away for a second (Oh No!) Bee, I'm sorry, I don't think I ever said she had horses, she doesn't. She was just out riding them that one day and we were trying to figure out exactly when...(a lot of us can seem to pinpoint the situation or start of our troubles - to me, it usu always sounds like potential exposure to pesticides.)

[Bee]

I think if it were pesticides,like direct contact, we'd see more gardeners, lawn guys,farmers, etc.

Maybe my dh is right, I got it off the internet,coz it looks like that's what We Do.

Sorry

[Enviro Girl]

KCKC - I am your sunshine band!: I already told you I looooove Kritters on here (she consoles everyone and is a doll!), Bee is the sweetest of sweetie-pies, Sad Sack and Fracty are kind to others and seem super-smart & right on...So glad you came on here! Dude, my power was out due to the MEGA snow storm, I was soo mad. 54.5 hours w/no power/no heat - I dried my hair over the stove this a.m. My city is a freaking disaster zone and do not even tell me how warm it is there today because 3 of my car doors were frozen this morning and I had to crawl in thru the back door to go charge my phone @ the coffee shop
Call me, I miss you! (it's been like, what 5 days since we talked? Seems like longer cuz I've been living the hard life w/no comforts - waah.)
xoxoxoxo,

[Enviro Girl]

Bee, true, I'm not sure about the landscapers - I had once heard that nurses and teachers were the most common occupations of Morgies (?), so that aspect doesn't make sense. But as you saw on that other post, a lot of people started chiming in w/their agrobacterium-infection-connection. Theirs, not mine. Pesticide explains the widespread, global geographic distribution of cases. Plus, that agrobac is published to have been found in patients. Agrobac also in pesticides, seems logical...I really want answers, so far that is my best one, but if someone has a better, factual source to blame w/evidence, I'm game to hear their facts, always. I want THE answer. Not just my answer. I have another factual, medical reason for the suspicion, but I'm not going to explain it here cuz I don't want that connection to be lost for others to later make it. If you read about how these pesticides work on plants, it sounds a lot like what happens to us.
I'm wondering if landscapers could have an immunity build up or if those kind of tough guy occupations are less likely to admit when they have something wrong w/them. (?) Like, they would never go self-diagnose or go to the derm w/lesions in the first place, maybe...
Sure be helpful if we didn't have to keep our own stats...but we citizens and a few mainstream medics and NDS are doing a bang-up job so far, anyway! Kudos, folks, let's keep up the GREAT work!

[tcmgpt13]

You know Enviro, I do not like it when some folks here appear to raise people’s hopes for a total "cure" without any proof at all that something (herbs, machines) will cure them. I have not said that Precision Herbs and their protocols will not help at all. I am saying that, as far as I know, there is NO cure for Morgellons. Not from Precision Herbs or from any other protocol out there. I have never used these herbs or machines or contacted them nor have they contacted me, but I have looked at the site in the past. As stated previously at one time I also read some of Overman’s book which was posted freely at that time on Google books (no longer there). There was more than one herb formula suggested on their site for Morgellons even a couple of years ago. And more than one machine suggested as well under their Morgellons section (the site has since changed I see). Many of us have tried different protocols (herbal, machines, Western medicine etc) and so far NONE of these protocols have cured Morgellons, though many have improved with different protocols. I am not denying that people do quite often improve on different protocols.

The reason I copied your post from another forum was to show that you were talking about Precision Herbs even back in 2008, but it is now 2010 and there still seems to be no "cure" for Morgellons. Also I said that 10meters had posted something which contained a mention of Precision herbs back in 2007. I also provided a link to10meters post. In all that time since then (three years) there has not been one word that Precision protocols cured Morgellons. So far I have not heard any “Eurekas. I am cured” from anyone with Morgellons. This applies to more than just the Precision protocols. What bothers me about your old post on the other forum is this sentence (I added the bold so you could see what especially bothers me):

“Folks, I swear to God, I think I found a CURE for Morgellon’s!”. No gimmick. I want nothing from you, except to help end your suffering ASAP and to give you back your lives.

This sentence is from your post found on Morgellons Disease-What Is It?-Topix. It is that “cure” word which bothers many people (including me) on this forum, as so far there has not been a ‘”cure” for Morgellons. This word has been uttered by some before and later it proves to be less that what was promised. I can only go by what you yourself said, and the “cure” word was mentioned. Then you have also revealed on the forum that you sell these products, something I also find interesting.

BTW, I am not interested in your whole history (yawn), but that sentence I just quoted from your 2008 post interests me a lot. I think people will have to make up their own minds about that though.

I should also let you know, that given past encounters, Katinka and I are hardly what you would call friends. It’s hilarious you would think this. Probably though you have not kept track of the forum or you would already know this.

Originally Posted by Enviro Girl

TCM - I did try that. Yes, I've tried more than one thing, as many of us have. Is that OK or do I need to run my whole past history by ya? I didn't know squat about naturopathy back then, still don't know enough about it yet, can't wait to learn. They had that product before they made this one, the new ones I posted are the product names of what kckc and I guinea pigged, that's not this. I was on Day 24/26, it would have taken a year longer than that to work (2-3 mos to heal for every yr sick.). That did a lot, but that was before some more research was done and Precision went back to the drawing board. (I appreciate that someone is actually trying for us, repeatedly vs. DOP misdiagnoses or Big Pharma pushing and charging thousands for visits)
Thanks for doing so much research on my old posts, it'd be great if we all focused on helping each other find CURES and trying them vs. being suspicious of those who try to help. Kinda makes ppl not want to help, I'm not sure if that's the Tag Team goal of you and Tinky or if you just resent outsiders trying to help or what the problem seems to be, but let's get it all out there in the open: (yawn)
Did you go to Precision for Morgellon's and they asked you to buy a $500 machine that may be what wholesalers use or what did they personally do to you to have you so positive they couldn't invent something new to CURE us? If there's something bad, I would like to know - but I think you can probably find a way to spend a lot in any kind of store, if that is the goal. Just because they sell something expensive unrelated to Morgellon's is not a valid reason to poison others against helping themselves, right?
So, let's get specific, what did they ask you to spend on Morgellon's or are you just speaking out of school or ?
Thanks!,
(honestly, if there's something bad I want to and need to know - but not more 100% false libel like we've seen thus far, such as 'they don't exist' from your Tinky pal. Others are trying to get well, we'd appreciate the lack of libel.)

KCKC, glad you made it! - Most folks on here are great! I've been telling 'em all about cha! Yah, I told Bee about the horses, cuz when I saw that in her name it made me think of you and it took my breath away for a second (Oh No!) Bee, I'm sorry, I don't think I ever said she had horses, she doesn't. She was just out riding them that one day and we were trying to figure out exactly when...(a lot of us can seem to pinpoint the situation or start of our troubles - to me, it usu always sounds like potential exposure to pesticides.)

[Enviro Girl]

TCM, I appreciate your defense of victims. I know there are predators out there, I've been pounced upon and contacted by ppl me wanting to promote their products (that n-silver guy - I was like NOO, no metals and I'm not taking something everyday, forever - it either works or it doesn't. No.) This is not the same product as in my 2008 post, it is something made new for us since then. You read that in my recent posts here, right? I was positive in 2008, I'm positive now, I will always keep being positive for us. If I sat around idly on a blog and said 'there is no CURE' - Who would that be helping? Plus, it's negative. I've been on a quest for us since Day 1. Safe, cheap, not a treatment, not a chemical, metal or Big Pharma. Prolly would have tried more CURES, but I do each thing and give it it's due time. I'm not here to argue, TCM, I'm here to help. If you feel that quoting everything I ever wrote since kindergarten is the only way for you to help victims and yourself, then Rock On.
It looked like you and Tinky are friends, since you both seem to want to talk trash in this post and she is saying 'TYS' to you about KCKC and I 'hmmm', but no, I haven't been following the forum, as you are quick to point out: I am a new arrival. I'm not really concerned with doing detailed research to quote fellow victims posts on this or other blogs from yrs ago, nor do I have the time to do so.
I apologize if I sounded short. I reiterate, I'm not here to argue with fellow victims, to go back and forth and waste time - it's counterproductive. You see me trying to help us in 2008. Yup, I'm proud to be doing the same thing in 2010. If I stopped trying and went 'There is no cure' and we all gave up, we might as well just wait for the Centers for Disease Cover Up.
I think I have heard of that Dr. Kolb that you mentioned in conjunction with a nurse I spoke to. I was looking for victims to align with, to take action with, activism-wise. The person I spoke to said the victims she had access to couldn't help because they were so brain fogged they couldn't spell. Which made me think that what they are doing isn't working (what I posted in my 2nd treatment blog, even that one parasite cleanse not from Overman's can kick the Fog pretty fast) and I didn't seek them for treatment. Please don't base your assessment of Doc Overman/Precision Herbs on Dr. Kolb's treatment or costs, because that's just one of Precision's many product distributors. They don't all do exactly what Precision will do. One way to prove me wrong, TCM: Do the consultation. Try to find a CURE with me It IS possible.
I know we've ALL been let down, I don't blame you for being Negative Nancy, but it isn't productive. Let's talk causes, cures, investigation - things that are relevant to TODAY vs. years ago, k? I've learned a lot since 2008, I bet we all have.
Here's a quote from you, TCM, that bothered me as much as my eternal optimism seems to bother you and then perhaps we can move on from the quotes and blog-clogging:
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Precision is probably Precision Herbs. At one time I know Overman, the owner of the site, was selling herbs and some other expensive treatments to treat Morgellons.
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TCM: What is the personal experience w/Dr. Overman that you are speaking of? What are the herbs that were personally suggested to you/did you do a consultation/when/who was the specific ND that you consulted there/what was the treatment and what was the cost? Thank you for your help!
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[tcmgpt13]

Pointing out what you said is not being negative and is helpful to people who have Morgellons, as they can assess what you say now. It gives a perspective about how you think. Deny it all you will, you mentioned the “cure” word and still seem headed in that direction with what you say currently. I think proof of a cure is needed before stating that something may be a cure and raising hopes prematurely. It is sensible for people to expect proof of such claims.

I have an entirely different viewpoint of the body after having studied TCM informally for many years now. In this view what is going on as far as symptoms in the individual is treated. Symptoms of Morgellons (or any disease) differ from person to person. Also symptoms change over time in each individual. So a one size fits all herbal cure may never happen. This is why many herbs which treat diseases other than Morgellons do not work for every person who takes them. The same is true of pharmaceutical drugs. I have tried herbal cleanses on my own, and yet currently the herbal formulas I am using which fit my current symptoms are doing a far better job than did the standard Western one size fits all herbal cleanses I have used in the past. I am not saying these cleansers do not work at all, but for me they were greatly insufficient.

I am working at getting better, but I am doing it with the help of someone in TCM and acupuncture who knows far more than I do about which herbs will treat my current symptoms, changing treatment as symptoms change.

You know I, too, could easily say that what you have said sometimes to others on this forum is trash talk and is often less than polite as well as quite directive.

I do not view myself as a victim and a loser because I had the misfortunate to get Morgellons. A victim mentality implies that someone or something has control over me, and I choose not to view life or myself in that way. Calling yourself and others who have Morgellons victims seems extremely negative to me (since you are playing the victim and negativity cards here). Let's hope that you are trying to help others as you claim you are and are not creating more of what you call "victims" here, whether of their illness or a phantom "cure".

It would be nice if you would pay attention to what has gone on this forum earlier, as a lot of what newcomers say can be offensive. Such as when newcomers act as if the subjects they bring up have never been discussed before or assume forum relationships which have never existed. That is why most people lurk for some time before joining forums. Such faux pas are then minimized. It would be nice, too, if you would not call me or anyone else here names because (gasp) someone has the temerity to disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Enviro Girl

TCM, I appreciate your defense of victims. I know there are predators out there, I've been pounced upon and contacted by ppl me wanting to promote their products (that n-silver guy - I was like NOO, no metals and I'm not taking something everyday, forever - it either works or it doesn't. No.) This is not the same product as in my 2008 post, it is something made new for us since then. You read that in my recent posts here, right? I was positive in 2008, I'm positive now, I will always keep being positive for us. If I sat around idly on a blog and said 'there is no CURE' - Who would that be helping? Plus, it's negative. I've been on a quest for us since Day 1. Safe, cheap, not a treatment, not a chemical, metal or Big Pharma. Prolly would have tried more CURES, but I do each thing and give it it's due time. I'm not here to argue, TCM, I'm here to help. If you feel that quoting everything I ever wrote since kindergarten is the only way for you to help victims and yourself, then Rock On.
It looked like you and Tinky are friends, since you both seem to want to talk trash in this post and she is saying 'TYS' to you about KCKC and I 'hmmm', but no, I haven't been following the forum, as you are quick to point out: I am a new arrival. I'm not really concerned with doing detailed research to quote fellow victims posts on this or other blogs from yrs ago, nor do I have the time to do so.
I apologize if I sounded short. I reiterate, I'm not here to argue with fellow victims, to go back and forth and waste time - it's counterproductive. You see me trying to help us in 2008. Yup, I'm proud to be doing the same thing in 2010. If I stopped trying and went 'There is no cure' and we all gave up, we might as well just wait for the Centers for Disease Cover Up.
I think I have heard of that Dr. Kolb that you mentioned in conjunction with a nurse I spoke to. I was looking for victims to align with, to take action with, activism-wise. The person I spoke to said the victims she had access to couldn't help because they were so brain fogged they couldn't spell. Which made me think that what they are doing isn't working (what I posted in my 2nd treatment blog, even that one parasite cleanse not from Overman's can kick the Fog pretty fast) and I didn't seek them for treatment. Please don't base your assessment of Doc Overman/Precision Herbs on Dr. Kolb's treatment or costs, because that's just one of Precision's many product distributors. They don't all do exactly what Precision will do. One way to prove me wrong, TCM: Do the consultation. Try to find a CURE with me It IS possible.
I know we've ALL been let down, I don't blame you for being Negative Nancy, but it isn't productive. Let's talk causes, cures, investigation - things that are relevant to TODAY vs. years ago, k? I've learned a lot since 2008, I bet we all have.
Here's a quote from you, TCM, that bothered me as much as my eternal optimism seems to bother you and then perhaps we can move on from the quotes and blog-clogging:
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Precision is probably Precision Herbs. At one time I know Overman, the owner of the site, was selling herbs and some other expensive treatments to treat Morgellons.
-------------------------
TCM: What is the personal experience w/Dr. Overman that you are speaking of? What are the herbs that were personally suggested to you/did you do a consultation/when/who was the specific ND that you consulted there/what was the treatment and what was the cost? Thank you for your help!
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[Katinka]

haha, too funny!..eg...