Fruit Flies

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Hey Kritts - this very interesting! Good work, I this could be a definite link somehow? Hopefully, we'll eventually get some scientist to verify these findings and hypotheses to see if they 'hold water'?

From this report, Someone needs to be sure and enclose this data to present to the scientist that will eventually be looking at these new findings.

Here are quotes from Kritter's paper, I cut and pasted the sentences that I found most likely to help us:

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"Target Pests: Various ticks and beetles; root weevils, flies, gnats, thrips.
Many strains of Metarhizium anisopliae have been isolated worldwide from insects, nematodes, soil, river sediments, and decomposing organic material.

Products Directed Against Public Health Pests

EPA has created a list of pests of significant public health importance.* The list consists of pest species that can cause or transmit human disease, or can cause human discomfort or injury. Cockroaches, rats, ticks, and various microbes are on the list. To help protect the public's health, EPA requires pesticide products directed against listed pests to meet specific standards for effectiveness as well as for safety. Therefore, products containing Metarhizium anisopliae strain F52 must demonstrate effectiveness against ticks before EPA will grant a full registration that includes ticks as a target pest.

[* Microbes in or on living humans or other living animals are specifically excluded from this EPA list. These excluded microbes are regulated by FDA and not by EPA.]

Disclaimer:

No harm is expected to humans or the environment when pesticide products containing Metarhizium anisopliae strain F52 are used according to label instructions." (Now, who do you know reads labels?)

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We need to speak in 'laymen's' terms so that all of us laymen can understand what conclusions we're drawing from this incoming information. Here's my 'take' on this paper, Kritters, please correct me if I misunderstand?:

Metarhizium anisopliae is a pesticide made up from "insects, nematodes, soil, river sediments, and decomposing organic material." ? "MA" sounds as if it is a plausible explaination for what could a part of Morgellons Disease, from what Dr. Hildy is saying is making up the various particles that she's currently studying? A definite 'cocktail' too?

Kritters was explaining to me about how Lyme's Disease is transmitted, we have read where 47 out 50 Morgellons patients also tested postive for Lymes. From what I grasp, the human doesn't have to make contact with the tick in order to get Lymes.

These quotes are from:
Pharmaceutical Mushrooms- Lyme's Disease Information

"It (Lymes) is not thought to be transmitted by the common dog tick, although the fact that dogs regularly get Lyme's is an indication that this may prove to be a false assumption.

There is also evidence evolving that transmission from person to person through the bites of mosquitos, fleas and biting flies may also occur.

The number of cases of Lyme's is growing at a rate which tells science that there must be paths of infection other than the deer tick."

Well... logic says that if we don't have to make contact with the tick to contract Lymes - then do humans have to make contact with this "MA" Metarhizium anisopliae directly in order to contract it into our systems?

If "MA" has been introduced into these 7 listed critter's systems, is it possible that these critters then - can pass this "MA" onto another source in nature that humans DO come into contact with, and humans can contract "MA" indirectly that way?

SO - if a mosquito or biting fly has been in contact with Lymes AND "MA" by biting a previously infected human or animal and bites a new human victim - is it possible to transmit both of these harmful agents (and possibly more) to the new human?

It makes you wonder that the biting fly could be the "thing in common" for the 3 aspects of Morgellons that we're currently discussing here? The biting fly could lay its eggs, give you Lymes, and possibly relay the Metarhizium anisopliae cocktail into the human body with one bite?

[Kritters]

thanks Kam for organizing this stuff. I'm so tired...going to bed in a minute. I'll get back to you.

Nicey...yes, that's it. whipworm. horsehair worm. I surely don't have anything I've seen so far that large, but the coiled up threads/worms I have are so small, they're actually the small specks of black and the salt speck size. Could be that so many 'worms' do the coiled up thing.

Talk to you guys later.
xoxo
Kritts

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Hi Niecy,

I'm looking at your horsehair worm and find it interesting, also. These worms sort of resemble the 'fibers' but worms shouldn't have fiber characteristics, such as we're seeing today.

Morgellons is so unusual to us, not being like anything we've ever witnessed before in an illness, nor anything that we've even been told about from our parents or their parents, this is unheard of! But, possibly not to Third World Countries, who have seen lots of fly infestations in humans?

Noone really understands all that's really happening with us, (except, possibly if this is a man-made lab creation - that person might have an idea?) but I won't exclude the validity of horsehair or whipworms, especially after a trained eye verifyed them on your behalf.

What we're trying to determine on another thread here, and may be hard to do - is prove that at different years, and in different locations in the country, that people received different versions of the Morgellons pathogens?

In other words, you could have received the batch that contained the horsehair worms that were mutated and programmed to attack man, and this may have repeated for a while, until... 'they' phased that out with the next 'midge' to see what it will do? Possibly, it kept changing with time. Since mine and a few others is a newer? strain - that we didn't (that we know of) receive horsehair worms with our Morgellons like you did? Like you say, horsehair worms could be hidden in our bodies and we might not even know they are present?

Here's what I did one day recently. I was reading about red mange and how this Morgellons resembled it, and in the old country ways - people would take used motor oil and put it on their dogs to rid the dog of mange. And, I'd had good luck with vaseline and mineral oil and thought that possibly a heavier oil that wouldn't 'dry out' as quickly and stay on longer - like overnight might work better? (BTW - The DSP didn't work for me - at all, maybe a little...)

I went up to my workshop and found what oils I had up there, and decided to put just a tiny bit of the chain bar oil on me, because it's one of the thickest oils I've ever seen - to see what would happen, to see if they would smother them quicker, etc?

I already knew that there is a 'larvae' involved with my Morgellons, and, I'm smart enough to know that 'larvae' hatch into something... well... in a 'natural' biological world, they do, but there's very little that feels 'natural' about Morgellons. And, I have believed, all along, and seen that there is a 'flying critter' involved in this life-cycle too.

When I read the directions on the chain bar oil container, it said - 'this is a petroleum product and it has been linked to skin cancer in labratory animals, wash skin immediately after contact'... I said, 'Oh, great!'... but decided to put just a little bit on the back of my arm, instead of my whole body, after bathing anyway, for curosity's sake.

Immediately after putting the oil on my arm - a few (20) little white larvae started popping out of my pores. I wiped them off and more came out, not an excessive amount about 10 or so. Well... you can imagine - this grossed me out, I washed again, and put some Mineral Oil on my arms and haven't done that again, since.

I recently read where 'they' like Petroleum products or it feeds them, or something to their advantage? I also noticed that the back of my arms have lots and lots of white 'peach fuzz' that I don't remember in the past having that much 'fuzz' !... ? (Everyone look at the back of your arm with some light...?)

These white larvae under my skin - were white and tiny... they were plump, (well fed) 'blimped shaped', and they were so small that they easily fit through the pores on my skin. And, I might even be able to identify one of them in a 'line-up'? 'They' pretty much came out of my pores 'standing upright' and remained erectly standing up, until I brushed them off. I had a larvae about a month ago, that came out a pore in my face that I had to help out, it was wayyy too fat to be coming through that pore, and it was painful getting it out - this was after I took the Nurta-Silver drops... which didn't seemingly work, either.

I'm positive we're going to hear about a 'selection' of flies and larvae from each of us and how different and unique our 'children' are from yours...? I'm wondering if there aren't at least two different flies in my body, and the same for others who have said they 'have white and black' particles, because - I see both white and black specks and galls. However, I haven't seen any white flying 'critters' resembling moths or flies in my environment, but I have seen dark/black ones. ?

[niecy]

Hi Kammy!

Let me say that I am not suggesting that the horsehair worm is the only culprit, or that everyone has them. I don't know for sure just yet if it even was a horsehair worm. I have the sample, and would absolutely LOVE for someone to analyze it. If anyone has any ideas as to who I should send it to please let me know.

I do know there is more than one culprit involved here. I have gotten what looks like insect parts out of lesions, just as many others have. The main one being the "wing" thingies. I have had many of those myself. I have had the "beans", many of them also. I get the fibers(in all of the colors that have been listed here and other places too), the "glitter", the "c" shaped things, the little black things with the check marks, or v's if you will, the black "pepper" specks, the "tiny white cocoons" as I call them....all of it. I don't know, and know that no one else at this time does either, exactly what is involved. I am pretty positive that Agrobacterium is involved, and would lay odds, high ones, that there is a fungus too. Who knows what all will be found when someone gets serious about the research? Hopefully that will be sooner than later.......



Hi Niecy,

I'm looking at your horsehair worm and find it interesting, also. These worms sort of resemble the 'fibers' but worms shouldn't have fiber characteristics, such as we're seeing today.

The "thing" that the professor thought might be a horsehair worm, it was one of several hundred probably that I had found all over myself Kammy. It looked blonde and was probably 6 to 8 inches long, and very very fine. I don't know what the implications are with the horsehair worm, but I do still have the sample. I do know for a fact that I have had larvae, and I told in an earlier post about the fly coming out of my right ear....it was a cocoon actually, and the fly came out while I was holding the cocoon down to keep it from getting lost. I don't know if it was the same kind of fly Joey is speaking about, but it was indeed a fly. I have spoken to others, and read a post or two here about a hair like structure that came out of people. One of the members here was also diagnosed with "whipworm".

Morgellons is so unusual to us, not being like anything we've ever witnessed before in an illness, nor anything that we've even been told about from our parents or their parents, this is unheard of! But, possibly not to Third World Countries, who have seen lots of fly infestations in humans?

I did have LOT's of flies in my home. I found out a few months ago what the problem was. My airconditioner had a leak in it and had been leaking for probably three or four years. My husband was aware of this, as I had asked him many times to get it fixed. My brother has been living with me for a few months and has helped me to get rid of that infestation. They were tiny black or dark flies, and they were awful! I had to sleep with a sheet over my head to keep them from getting in my eyes, my nose, my mouth, and my ears!! The fly problem is gone for now.

Noone really understands all that's really happening with us, (except, possibly if this is a man-made lab creation - that person might have an idea?) but I won't exclude the validity of horsehair or whipworms, especially after a trained eye verifyed them on your behalf.

He didn't ever actually verify it, he wanted me to get someone else too!! I am sure he didn't want to be involved in something so crazy, probably afraid of his reputation. But, it was his opinion that that is what it was.

What we're trying to determine on another thread here, and may be hard to do - is prove that at different years, and in different locations in the country, that people received different versions of the Morgellons pathogens?

I don't get exactly what you mean? Are you suggesting that this is some kind of man-made disease and they "contaminated" different parts of the country at different times with different pathogens? I sure hope you are wrong if it is!!

In other words, you could have received the batch that contained the horsehair worms that were mutated and programmed to attack man, and this may have repeated for a while, until... 'they' phased that out with the next 'midge' to see what it will do? Possibly, it kept changing with time. Since mine and a few others is a newer? strain - that we didn't (that we know of) receive horsehair worms with our Morgellons like you did? Like you say, horsehair worms could be hidden in our bodies and we might not even know they are present?

The only problem with that theory is that I have had the midges(gnats), and the flies also, along with the larvae. Iam sorry sweety, but I don't remember saying they may be hidden in our bodies....but I will say this; I was put on Provigil for the chronic fatigue. It is a histimine I was told. I took it for two days, and the third day when I got up my arms, and abdomen, and thighs looked like very complicated road maps. The "roads" were all red, and long and winding. Needless to say, I haven't taken it since.

Here's what I did one day recently. I was reading about red mange and how this Morgellons resembled it, and in the old country ways - people would take used motor oil and put it on their dogs to rid the dog of mange. And, I'd had good luck with vaseline and mineral oil and thought that possibly a heavier oil that wouldn't 'dry out' as quickly and stay on longer - like overnight might work better? (BTW - The DSP didn't work for me - at all, maybe a little...)

I went up to my workshop and found what oils I had up there, and decided to put just a tiny bit of the chain bar oil on me, because it's one of the thickest oils I've ever seen - to see what would happen, to see if they would smother them quicker, etc?


I already knew that there is a 'larvae' involved with my Morgellons, and, I'm smart enough to know that 'larvae' hatch into something... well... in a 'natural' biological world, they do, but there's very little that feels 'natural' about Morgellons. And, I have believed, all along, and seen that there is a 'flying critter' involved in this life-cycle too.

When I read the directions on the chain bar oil container, it said - 'this is a petroleum product and it has been linked to skin cancer in labratory animals, wash skin immediately after contact'... I said, 'Oh, great!'... but decided to put just a little bit on the back of my arm, instead of my whole body, after bathing anyway, for curosity's sake.

Immediately after putting the oil on my arm - a few (20) little white larvae started popping out of my pores. I wiped them off and more came out, not an excessive amount about 10 or so. Well... you can imagine - this grossed me out, I washed again, and put some Mineral Oil on my arms and haven't done that again, since.

I would probably have kept using the oil in different place, not all over, until I had gotten all of them out, or at least all that would come out.

I recently read where 'they' like Petroleum products or it feeds them, or something to their advantage? I also noticed that the back of my arms have lots and lots of white 'peach fuzz' that I don't remember in the past having that much 'fuzz' !... ? (Everyone look at the back of your arm with some light...?)

I have the "peach fuzz" all over my body, everywhere there has ever been a lesion there is now peach fuzz growing in the scar tissue.

These white larvae under my skin - were white and tiny... they were plump, (well fed) 'blimped shaped', and they were so small that they easily fit through the pores on my skin. And, I might even be able to identify one of them in a 'line-up'? 'They' pretty much came out of my pores 'standing upright' and remained erectly standing up, until I brushed them off. I had a larvae about a month ago, that came out a pore in my face that I had to help out, it was wayyy too fat to be coming through that pore, and it was painful getting it out - this was after I took the Nurta-Silver drops... which didn't seemingly work, either.

I'm positive we're going to hear about a 'selection' of flies and larvae from each of us and how different and unique our 'children' are from yours...? I'm wondering if there aren't at least two different flies in my body, and the same for others who have said they 'have white and black' particles, because - I see both white and black specks and galls. However, I haven't seen any white flying 'critters' resembling moths or flies in my environment, but I have seen dark/black ones. ?


I believe you are correct here. I am afraid something has happened that is going to be very difficult to prove. I do feel however that it will be proven eventually. I have dealt with the tiny black flying things in my peripheal vision as well. That is probably the symptom that I have had that made me think I had gone and lost my marbles. But, I saw them, and the fact that others are reporting it, and I have never mentioned them myself, makes me sad and glad at the same time.....maybe I haven't lost my marbles after all.

I am doing soooooo much better. I have four or five very stubborn places on my body right now that are taking way longer than the rest to heal, as if they didn't take long enough themselves!! But, I am still on the Vanderbilt Protocol. Everytime I decide to stop it, I get worse in many different ways, the worst being the mucous in my throat and chest. But my eyes get bad again, and I will get tiny little lesions again.

God help us all is all I know to say!! It is encouraging to see people working so hard right now!! Thank you all so much for all of your hard work!! I am here to help in any way that you need me to.

Niecy
xxxxxx

[Kritters]

I remember reading recently and possibly posted it, that flies can come out of street plumbing during construction. I also remember there are people here who have posted that their problems began when the city worked on the underground piping nearby.

Is everyone's problem here a fly? I don't thnk so. Could fungi be the main attraction? Could pesticides which are composted in part of fungi and designed to kill flies be the problem? How many of us live around grass, farms, and how many in a city? Most people have some kind of mold, from what I can determine. Is it the mold itself, or something in our systems which interact with any mold arund us because of what a mosquito, tick, fly has injected into our systems, which our bodies cannot cope and are desperately trying to rid us of? We know now that some of the recombinant genes put out there by scientists are composed of a combination plant, insect and bacterium/ virus/ fungi....pick a card...pick any card.

There are so many different bio-engineered products and foods out there that we are injesting one way or another or in many different ways, and is reacting with what we already have in our systems (virus, fungi, bacteria...mycoplasm, etc, and whatever)

We will, as hosts, be attracting further vectors which must either find a warm body to continue the cycle or are being attracted to our bodies by what is in us to jump ship for continuance into another type of animal or creature for whatever it's future dictates.

We have to find out what the bottom line common denominators are with each and every one of us. where we live, what is our immediate indoor environment, and outdoor environment) when we think we were affected, what other things we know we have (like herpes, candida, etc.) what nationalities we are, what antibiotics we've taken, what vaccines we've had, exactly what our lesions (if we have them) look like and what exactly our fibers look like and specific details such as these, put them in a poll and see which ones come out in common.

We don't all have the same thing, and there are bio-engineered foods, clothing, plants, pesticides, insects of all kinds as well. What we may find that is the situation with one or a few people may not be true for others, but if we can categorize things and chart them, that is the only way we can come close to figuring this out.

Please! Can anyone come up with something each and every one on this forum and who visits this forum as a guest, even if they don't want to reveal themselves can participate in that we can use?

Kritters

[hilly]

YouTube - Tick Ignorance

Copied from BBC1 'The One Show' shown on Tues 18th Nov


I find since I had this I have become more attractive to anything at all bug like, fruit flies, ticks and all sorts of creepy crawlies... I really do think it's something we morgies all have in our skin.that attracts the b.....s to us. My hubby is quite obviously not in the least attractive to bugs, lucky man...in fact he always says that I am his best repellent :<( sigh....

Hillyx

[Kritters]

Hilly,

I hope that guy is on a steady dose of antibiotics, doing that fun thing he does of letting ticks get under his skin.

So much for having lunch for a while now.

We either have it in our skin from being pushed out through our pores by our immune systems, or our skin is used to deposit larvae as incubater for growing full term, or we've attracted something which lives in skin and is quite comfortable feeding off of us, thankyouverymuch, or whatever. Our skin being an organ of the body, it serves so many functions.

Sigh. the more we learn, the more confusing it becomes to me.

Kritts

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DO YOU WONDER WHAT IS THE YELLOW GOO?

Here's an excerpt from a paper I'm writing:

"The "bio-film" occurs when the larvae are killed by the human either through scratching, mashing, or applying a chemical or product that kills them. The biofilm is the 'guts' of the larvae that when they are killed under the skin, this 'juice' comes out through the pores. Also, it's possible that the larvae emit this protective coating film as a self-protecting air-tight agent or coccoon making housing to protect themselves and to thrive?

I'm saying that this biofilm is possibly also the pathogen which the particles from it fall onto the skin of the host creating lesions on the other parts of the body. And, that after repeated hair washings where the head is scrubbed, and in this scrubbing process - the larvae are killed, this causes layer after layer of this bio-film build up over time. It can be felt as having a different texture on your hairline in the front top of your forehead,than the rest of your normal skin. The human will try various products to remove this film and will find certain products that will 'cut' it, but it is like a glue and polyurathane mixture that is very difficult to remove.

This bio-film, if not removed, stays adhered to the skin and continues to build up layers and after a time, the outside layer starts breaking down into an invisible white or clear nano-sized particles of powder that the human is 'sluffing' as they move, walk, bend over, etc., and contaminate their own food and possibly other's food and drinks - so that these particles are ingested giving the host and others severe intestinal parasitic conditions. "

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Infestation is called Myiasis


From this article below:

"Hospital infestation by the cluster fly" at:



ScienceDirect - International Journal of Hygiene and Environmental Health : Hospital infestation by the cluster fly, Pollenia rudis sensu stricto Fabricius 1794 (Diptera: Calliphoridae), and its possible role in transmission of bacterial pathogens in



"All 50 cluster fly samples that were tested carried opportunistic aerobic mesophilic Bacillus spp., whereas 41 fly samples were positive for Erwinia spp., 16 samples for Erwinia amylovara, 24 samples for Stenotrophomonas maltophilia, and 4 samples for Flavobacterium odoratum. Staphylococcus lugdunensis and Pseudomonas aeruginosa were found in 5 samples. No bacteriologically sterile cluster fly samples were obtained. The whole bacterial pattern found on P. rudis s.s. is known for its potential to cause opportunistic and /or noso-comial infections in humans."

Definition of Bacillus spp from Wikipedia below:

aerobic mesophilic Bacillus spp - Bacilli are an extremely diverse group of bacteria that include both the causative agent of anthrax (Bacillus anthracis) as well as several species that synthesize important antibiotics.

Bacilli are rod-shaped, Gram-positive, sporulating, aerobes or facultative anaerobes. Most bacilli are saprophytes. Each bacterium creates only one spore, which is resistant to heat, cold, radiation, desiccation, and disinfectants.

Bacilli cause an array of infections from ear infections to meningitis, and urinary tract infections to septicemia. Mostly they occur as secondary infections in immunodeficient hosts or otherwise compromised hosts. They may exacerbate previous infection by producing tissue-damaging toxins or metabolites that interfere with treatment.

The most well known disease caused by bacilli is anthrax, caused by Bacillus anthracis. Anthrax has a long history with humans.

Anthrax is primarily a disease of herbivores who acquire the bacterium by eating plants with dust that contains anthrax spores. Humans contract the disease in three different ways. Cutaneous anthrax occurs when a human comes into contact with the spores form dust particles or a contaminated animal or carcass through a cut or abrasion. Cutaneous anthrax accounts for 95% of anthrax cases worldwide. During a 2-3 day incubation period the spores germinate, vegetative cells multiply, and a papule develops. Over the following days the papule ulcerates, dries and blackens to form the characteristic eschar. The process is painless unless infected with another pathogen.

Due to the metabolic diversity in the genus Bacillus, bacilli are able to colonize a variety of habitats ranging from soil and insects to humans. Bacillus thuringiensis parasitizes insects, and is commercially used for pest control. Although the most well known of the bacilli are the pathogenic species, most Bacillus are saprophytes that make their living off of decaying matter. Still others, namely Bacillus subtilis, inhabit the rhizosphere, which is the interface between plant roots and the surrounding soil. The plants roots and associated biofilm can have a significant effect on the chemistry of the soil, creating a unique environment.

It has recently been shown that Bacillus subtilis engages in cannibalism. They use cannibalism as the easy way out in extreme cases. For survival in harsh environments, bacilli can form spores, but it is very costly to them energy-wise. An easier way is for the bacteria to produce antibiotics that destroy neighboring bacilli, so that their contents may be digested allowing for the survival of a few of the bacteria. Essentially, what they are doing is snacking on their fellow bacilli, to tide them over, hoping for the environment to pick back up."

And, this is just the first pathogen on the list! ~ (insert wide-eyed emoticon here).

Has anyone had their "yellow goo", also known as, "biofilm" analyzed to see if its properties are in the bacillus family or any of the other families mentioned?

[whatthehelminth]

I think you are right on. Probably more so than my first thought about this problem!
that these mfs*
must all carry super glue in their pockets!

ty 4 the info..........luv wth




mfs* = miserable freaks