Garbage in - Garbage out = CDC 'report'

[scabdraggr]

Hi Jean sorry to hear that your health has not improved in the last year.I was joking with you to get your attention.I'm at least smart enough to recognize your expertise in your area of study.Please recognise that my joking with you is based upon my respect for you and your dedicated work.I hope your view of my work is the same.Now about M and it's stubborn attitude about leaving our upper gi tract.Part of that is due to it's structure while inside us.It seems one side of it is protected by a shell like cover that's soft but able to protect against our attempts to dislodge them with natural methods.This isn't meant to be a challenge concerning TCM methods to have any affect upon this life form.It's other side takes up body fluids from the BS and not from the surrounding areas such as the inside of the intestine,not the I wall but the waste exposed areas.This to me means that any anti m medicines must come from the blood side or be so harsh that the outer shell is permeated by it's presence.Natural methods don't seem to work because they aren't harsh or strong enough or wwe possibly don't know enough about the makeup of this lf to attatck it properly.I often think that for some unknown reason that cheese products seem to have the most positive affect upon this lf when trying to dislodge them. I'll send some pics for this analogy to be seen properly.

[jeanlong]

thx. well my health has been up and down a few times since last year. I like your photos as they are informative. More info is better than less.

what kinda worries me is how even farm animals that get dewormed routinely are now showing up with vets saying parasites in those (horse for example) are developing resistance. i am thinking that will happen to people's parasites also, that the meds may stop working. I tend to take a few rounds of dewormer meaning antiparasite TCM herbal treatment every spring and fall, even before M problems, and stronger types since having M problems.

I have a good friend who is a vet, and wish to have a long talk about parasites, but that will have to wait a few weeks. Waiting until the rough time has settled as my buddy is dealing with a family funeral now. Convinced that nickel research does indeed paralyze anti-parasite immune activity though, and will not use cookware with nickel any more.

I believe my immune system has been slowly gaining ground against parasites since stopping use of nickel in the kitchenwares. We used to store hot and cold tea in stainless, along with using cookware. After reading the research about nickel I'm very scared to eat things that may have nickel corroded into it. we still have a few items of stainless flatware but I'm careful not to let pieces sit in acidic food.

Originally Posted by scabdraggr

Hi Jean sorry to hear that your health has not improved in the last year.I was joking with you to get your attention.I'm at least smart enough to recognize your expertise in your area of study.Please recognise that my joking with you is based upon my respect for you and your dedicated work.I hope your view of my work is the same.Now about M and it's stubborn attitude about leaving our upper gi tract.Part of that is due to it's structure while inside us.It seems one side of it is protected by a shell like cover that's soft but able to protect against our attempts to dislodge them with natural methods.This isn't meant to be a challenge concerning TCM methods to have any affect upon this life form.It's other side takes up body fluids from the BS and not from the surrounding areas such as the inside of the intestine,not the I wall but the waste exposed areas.This to me means that any anti m medicines must come from the blood side or be so harsh that the outer shell is permeated by it's presence.Natural methods don't seem to work because they aren't harsh or strong enough or wwe possibly don't know enough about the makeup of this lf to attatck it properly.I often think that for some unknown reason that cheese products seem to have the most positive affect upon this lf when trying to dislodge them. I'll send some pics for this analogy to be seen properly.

[annesco]

I have posted about my concern re: this issue several times, and am trying to look into options to possible rotate in order to avoid this issue. There is definite evidence that resistance to the parasites has already occurred with the Pyrantel-based dewormers to quite an extent. It may come down to my taking a break from the chemical wormers and using the natural combination of wormwood, black walnut hull, and clove to stave off a massive reinfection and give my system a break, then going back to the chemical meds. Hopefully, I will have rid myself of enough to do this.

Originally Posted by jeanlong

thx. well my health has been up and down a few times since last year. I like your photos as they are informative. More info is better than less.

what kinda worries me is how even farm animals that get dewormed routinely are now showing up with vets saying parasites in those (horse for example) are developing resistance. i am thinking that will happen to people's parasites also, that the meds may stop working. I tend to take a few rounds of dewormer meaning antiparasite TCM herbal treatment every spring and fall, even before M problems, and stronger types since having M problems.

I have a good friend who is a vet, and wish to have a long talk about parasites, but that will have to wait a few weeks. Waiting until the rough time has settled as my buddy is dealing with a family funeral now. Convinced that nickel research does indeed paralyze anti-parasite immune activity though, and will not use cookware with nickel any more.

I believe my immune system has been slowly gaining ground against parasites since stopping use of nickel in the kitchenwares. We used to store hot and cold tea in stainless, along with using cookware. After reading the research about nickel I'm very scared to eat things that may have nickel corroded into it. we still have a few items of stainless flatware but I'm careful not to let pieces sit in acidic food.

[scabdraggr]

Good thinking ladies,especially about herbal maintainence after the chemicals have done their job.We will continue to accept these parasites into our system,involuntarialy but the enviroment is full of them.

[sammy]

i dont think cdc ever tested this for a systemic problem they were treating this as a skin condition as most derms due. and like the one at Johns hopkins told me i was causing the lesions by picking and scratching never mind I had fluid bio film coming out of my eyes and had recently had gall bladder removed. it is a losing battle with doctors or derms. we can only hope that another doctor harvey comes along and takes our cases. sammy

[tcmgpt13]

The CDC may have tried sammy, but this set of symptoms is certainly not something which can be studied quickly or even by using a small sampling of people. There is no way to even know if they had all the commonly recognized symptoms of Morgellons. I agree with you about Dr. Harvey who I feel may have been fairly close to identifying an elusive new parasite. Unfortunately we will never know for sure any time soon. He is still missed by many, most especially I am sure by his former Morgellons patients.

quote=sammy;89031]i dont think cdc ever tested this for a systemic problem they were treating this as a skin condition as most derms due. and like the one at Johns hopkins told me i was causing the lesions by picking and scratching never mind I had fluid bio film coming out of my eyes and had recently had gall bladder removed. it is a losing battle with doctors or derms. we can only hope that another doctor harvey comes along and takes our cases. sammy[/quote]

[jeanlong]

don't kid yourself. worms and parasites can develop resistance to drugs and to herbs both.

I'm just saying that a vet friend I talk to once in a while says even something like de-flea meds for dogs can lose effectiveness, along the same way dewormers for horse and cattle can become less effective. They are typically given during spring, sometimes in the fall. But if horses or cattle have big problems, no one will accuse them of having mental problems and delay science work on the problems. It costs the farmers too much to ignore those problems. to ignore similar problems in humans is crazy.

Originally Posted by scabdraggr

Good thinking ladies,especially about herbal maintainence after the chemicals have done their job.We will continue to accept these parasites into our system,involuntarialy but the enviroment is full of them.

Rotation may be a good strategy. I take herbs all the time but, also tend to rotate many of them. In a natural setting not all herbs are available all of the time anyway. Seasonally available items are a pointer for me too. I seem only to have more unanswered questions about parasites and M rather than more answers. The scientific study of M is progressing at a snail's pace and I have to mentally give up and accept that I may be sick for a very long time.

Originally Posted by annesco

I have posted about my concern re: this issue several times, and am trying to look into options to possible rotate in order to avoid this issue. There is definite evidence that resistance to the parasites has already occurred with the Pyrantel-based dewormers to quite an extent. It may come down to my taking a break from the chemical wormers and using the natural combination of wormwood, black walnut hull, and clove to stave off a massive reinfection and give my system a break, then going back to the chemical meds. Hopefully, I will have rid myself of enough to do this.