Dr Stricker likens Morgellons to Bovine Digital Dermatitus

[spotted dog]

Re my thread on Joni Mitchell alert, I read with interest Dr stickers theory, I have looked up the disease, & descriptions of words that describe it, & to me it makes sense.

See my post on E mail alert, would be glad to hear others opinion on this.

I know nothing of Dr Stricker as I am in U.K.

Spots....

[Slovenia]

Stricker is well known in the Lyme community and been specialising in this field for many years. He is also in close contact with a clinic here in Europe that I initially attended - and which cleared up most of my symptoms. Infact I believe most of the protocols the clinic used were his. And they certainly knocked back the disease.

I have read his report and it does seem to make some sense. He has my total respect. I think Dr. Stricker, Prof. Randy Wymore, and Clifford Carnicom are the only brave professionals conducting any serious research - in the whole world.

[tcmgpt13]

Hello B, good to see you here once again after some time and to hear that you are feeling better too.

Although quite few in number there are some others working on investigating Morgellons, at least a little. I hope you have seen the most recent newsletter from the Charles Holman Foundation which has a bit more news for us, but just in case you haven't:

thecehf.org/newsletter-january-2012.html

Do you have any former open minded and energetic colleagues you think could be enticed into investigating the Morgellons mystery in greater depth? The main mystery to me these days is not what it is, but why it is that most doctors and even one allegedly respected medical institution are following along with the official party line story which figuratively beats Morgellons patients into submission and silence with a DOP diagnosis. Perhaps such lockstep conformity is what happens when socialism spreads globally, but hopefully someone somewhere in the media might take a dim view of ignoring this illness and start wondering why doctors are being trained to mock a group of patients and their distressing symptoms? How is it that nearly all journalists these days have been lulled into not thinking and questioning? It has to be more than being lazy and dull.

tcm

quote=Slovenia;88804]Stricker is well known in the Lyme community and been specialising in this field for many years. He is also in close contact with a clinic here in Europe that I initially attended - and which cleared up most of my symptoms. Infact I believe most of the protocols the clinic used were his. And they certainly knocked back the disease.

I have read his report and it does seem to make some sense. He has my total respect. I think Dr. Stricker, Prof. Randy Wymore, and Clifford Carnicom are the only brave professionals conducting any serious research - in the whole world.[/quote]

[spotted dog]

Hi Slovinia.. It gives me hope that you are getting better, how long have you had the disease? & what did the doctors prescribe? Thanks Spots

[Pollyringworm]

What's the treatment for the animals?

[jeanlong]

I think this is the reference - always helpful to have the actual published article:

dovepress Filament formation associated with spirochetal infection: a comparative approach to Morgellons disease or pubmed

Bovine digital dermatitis is an emerging infectious disease that causes lameness, decreased milk production, and weight loss in livestock. Proliferative stages of bovine digital dermatitis demonstrate keratin filament formation in skin above the hooves in affected animals. The multifactorial etiology of digital dermatitis is not well understood, but spirochetes and other coinfecting microorganisms have been implicated in the pathogenesis of this veterinary illness. Morgellons disease is an emerging human dermopathy characterized by the presence of filamentous fibers of undetermined composition, both in lesions and subdermally. While the etiology of Morgellons disease is unknown, there is serological and clinical evidence linking this phenomenon to Lyme borreliosis and coinfecting tick-borne agents. Although the microscopy of Morgellons filaments has been described in the medical literature, the structure and pathogenesis of these fibers is poorly understood. In contrast, most microscopy of digital dermatitis has focused on associated pathogens and histology rather than the morphology of late-stage filamentous fibers. Clinical, laboratory, and microscopic characteristics of these two diseases are compared.

not sure what to make of this, except that it may be an emerging spirochete disease. if so it this means it could be that it is an infection that causes several systemic problems, and an illness where the spirochete is yet unidentified. in the pathogen world, spirochete is sort of like a champion marathon runner that can outrun all human immune system components; I've seen videos of this and it's not encouraging. So even if the immune system responds, it's hard for the immune system to catch the invaders so to speak. I keep wondering if M is due to a spirochete that is not yet properly identified. If so protecting the immune system functions would be important, as in drugs that suppress immune activity would worsen symptoms.

Treatment for spirochete infection means treating a bacterial infectious disease, but I don't think there are proven antibiotics that are always effective against spirochete infections. The problem is partly that spirochete organisms can outrun the immune system components then hide in spots where it is hard for the antibiotic to reach.

ps,

dovepress link for full text is a PDF to download,
http://www.dovepress.com/getfile.php?fileID=11375

[scabdraggr]

My friends are vet college researchers and I assure you that anything with cattle is front and foremost with them as they found the last seven microrganisms that man had never before seen in cattle.Cattle are the most watched animals in the world,including us.No connection with Lyme!

[tcmgpt13]

Are you saying Bovine Digital Dermatitis has no connection to lyme or to what we refer to as Morgellons? It is true that different spirochetes will cause different infectious diseases in the body. Such as syphilis. Or maybe you are saying here that the seven micro organisms they have discovered in cattle recently are not spirochete disease organisms? And they think they have a clue about Morgellons which suggests Morgellons is not spirochete related?

About spirochetes from Wiki:

The spirochaetes are divided into three families (Brachyspiraceae, Leptospiraceae, and Spirochaetaceae), all placed within a single order (Spirochaetales). Disease-causing members of this phylum include the following:

Leptospira species, which causes leptospirosis[2]
Borrelia burgdorferi, which causes Lyme disease
Borrelia recurrentis, which causes relapsing fever[3]
Treponema pallidum subspecies pallidum, which causes syphilis
Treponema pallidum subspecies pertenue, which causes yaws
Brachyspira pilosicoli and Brachyspira aalborgi, which cause intestinal spirochetosis[4]

quote=scabdraggr;89002]My friends are vet college researchers and I assure you that anything with cattle is front and foremost with them as they found the last seven microrganisms that man had never before seen in cattle.Cattle are the most watched animals in the world,including us.No connection with Lyme![/quote]

[scabdraggr]

Truthfully,I don't know much about lyme and those that claim they do,don't seem to have it quite figured out just yet.It's obvious to me what M is but I haven't seen or dealt with lyme disease so anuthing from me about lyme is mere conjecture.Sky seems to know more about cattle diseases than anyone else that I communicate with maybe she can elaborate on lyme for us.

[little Truthful One]

Although there is not conclusive evidence linking Lyme to Morgellons a high percentage of patients have tested positive for Lyme. I, however tested negative (I was tested due to the painful, crusted, very large lesions which developed on my scalp...which I had for apprx. a year....that also involved "crawling" sensations, so I thought I had imbedded ticks from my dog.
I want to address the fact that ticks are parasitic & a memeber of the Arachnid family. Which includes: Head lice, pubic lice, body lice (louse),
scabies & mange in many species.....& I believe bed bugs & fleas.
I am not fully aware of how Lyme disease is scientifically detected...BUT is it posible that individuals testing positive for Lyme disease may actually have another form (or multiple forms ) of parasitic mite infestations??
Also, common scabies produce antogens (which serve to fight & supress the human response (the ultimate allergic reaction to their presence/feces) which ultimately results in intense itching, lesions & rashes. That is why patients with active scabies infections do not show symptoms or realize they are infested for 4 to 6 weeks (generally). They mites have developed this ability to evade detection (a survival adaptation) over time.
There have been some published articles in Australia about blood tests which can detect the presence of these antogens and protiens in the patients blood stream.
Has anyone suffering from Morgellons had a blood test such as this?
Scabdragger would your veterinary scientist friends be able to preform such a test?
Finally, does anyone have any info on the or contact with the 40 patients that were supposedly tested by KP/CDC.????
Are any of those "tested" active participants on this forum??
I would be intrigued to hear their side of the story......
Reminds me of the FBI's story about an annonomous tipster from Iceland identifying Whitey Bulger & receiving $1 million in reward money. YEAH, RIGHT!!!