is this a possible food source contaminant?

[jeanlong]

Hi all,

I am now thinking about plastic contamination in the food chain - just read this and wanted to post it.

Many large-scale dairy farmers and feedlot operators save money by feeding the cows “by-product feedstuffs” as well. In general, this means waste products from the manufacture of human food. In particular, it can mean sterilized city garbage, candy, bubble gum, floor sweepings from plants that manufacture animal food, bakery, potato wastes or a scientific blend of pasta and candy. ...Candy products are available through a number of distributors and sometimes directly from smaller plants… They are sometimes fed in their wrappers.

from Eat Wild

I am grossed out by this. if the wrapper is plastic, would that mean bits of plastic wind up in the meat people eat? I do not know. This doesn't sound like good news to me even if it doesn't.

best,
Jean

[janedoe]

plastic is safer than anything else, once recycled, its just fine.

[tcmgpt13]

Jean, that site has a vested interest in seeing that no cattle are used for food. I think a lot of what we read about cattle and cows eating plastic generates from radical vegetarian groups. I do however believe that what goes on as far as feeding animals waste foods is wrong. They were not meant to eat and process meat and I do question how that can turn into illnesses humans can catch (i.e. infectious diseases) from animals being fed this type of feed. I imagine their stomachs are not built to process such foods. Feeding any animal foods it would not eat in nature has to be behind a lot of the health issues many of us have.

The truly scary thing to me is that these animals and chickens are sometimes being fed meal which contains fish. Now that could spread neurotoxins into the general population beyond just the possible neurotoxins such as cyanobacteria being in the water. These toxins are not eliminated by cooking food at high temperatures and have no way of being detected unless tests are run on every batch made. Want to bet that this is not the case?

Anyway here's two links which discuss raising fish on the fish farm as found in China:

morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/general-discussion/3672-think-eating-fish-good-us-2.html#post46503 (permalink 12)

morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/general-discussion/3672-think-eating-fish-good-us-2.html#post46504 (permalink 13)

Feeding these types of foods (from meat and from fish) could possibly spread some of the diseases being found in these animal populations (not to overlook now the heavy metals that fish meal coming out of China most likely contains), especially if the foods are not cooked properly before being made into food products for feed.

Here's an article on mycoplasma infecting more and more fish in the Chesapeake Bay area (I have posted another article about this issue in the past as well):

cdc.gov/eid/article/13/2/06-0558_article.htm

morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/general-discussion/3672-think-eating-fish-good-us.html#post23488 (permalink 1 contains a link to further discussion of the mycoplasma issues being found in striped bass or rock fish in the Chesapeake Bay)

[annesco]

TCM,

So are you vegan or vegetarian then? Obviously, this interests me in view of my current efforts to gain weight (still unsuccessful, btw), and recent months of vegetarianism.

In truth, even with regards to vegetable and fruits, unless you can raise your own exclusively, there is no guarantee that those are safe either, even if USDA certified organic. Organic doesn't mean clean or sterile, and a lot of microorganisms have been found on in/on organic produce. Where does that leave us?

We have very little control over what we consume on any level, it seems...

Originally Posted by tcmgpt13

Jean, that site has a vested interest in seeing that no cattle are used for food. I think a lot of what we read about cattle and cows eating plastic generates from radical vegetarian groups. I do however believe that what goes on as far as feeding animals waste foods is wrong. They were not meant to eat and process meat and I do question how that can turn into illnesses humans can catch (i.e. infectious diseases) from animals being fed this type of feed. I imagine their stomachs are not built to process such foods. Feeding any animal foods it would not eat in nature has to be behind a lot of the health issues many of us have.

The truly scary thing to me is that these animals and chickens are sometimes being fed meal which contains fish. Now that could spread neurotoxins into the general population beyond just the possible neurotoxins such as cyanobacteria being in the water. These toxins are not eliminated by cooking food at high temperatures and have no way of being detected unless tests are run on every batch made. Want to bet that this is not the case?

Anyway here's two links which discuss raising fish on the fish farm as found in China:

morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/general-discussion/3672-think-eating-fish-good-us-2.html#post46503 (permalink 12)

morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/general-discussion/3672-think-eating-fish-good-us-2.html#post46504 (permalink 13)

Feeding these types of foods (from meat and from fish) could possibly spread some of the diseases being found in these animal populations (not to overlook now the heavy metals that fish meal coming out of China most likely contains), especially if the foods are not cooked properly before being made into food products for feed.

Here's an article on mycoplasma infecting more and more fish in the Chesapeake Bay area (I have posted another article about this issue in the past as well):

cdc.gov/eid/article/13/2/06-0558_article.htm

morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/general-discussion/3672-think-eating-fish-good-us.html#post23488 (permalink 1 contains a link to further discussion of the mycoplasma issues being found in striped bass or rock fish in the Chesapeake Bay)

[tcmgpt13]

No, to both types of vegetarianism. It's true what you say about veggies and there is no assurance beyond growing your own food or knowing your grower that it might be safe. I say might be safe because even growing your own veggies/fruits has problems such as what was grown in that soil in the past--look at Moochelle's white house organic garden fiasco. Since all most of us have is the current state of the food supply and most of us are not wealth enough to buy all organic foods which is no guarantee either I mostly try to avoid buying regular meat, but then do it sometimes (not everything is available in my area as far as organic meats though chicken is easy to find).

I feel the more radical environmental groups (such as some vegetarian groups) use their belief systems to force a change in the social agenda. Such as animals are far more important then humans. So IMO these groups toss out worry wherever they can about plastic in foods, meanwhile allowing less developed nations like China and India to dump all kinds of poisons into their rivers and put toxic smoke into the air (some of that blows over to the US carrying pollutants and diseases as well). Much of this is just a thinly disguised social agenda to force Western countries to support less developed nations (carbon tax). It is a way to take (force) money from one group and hand it to another IMO. Much of it is a made up concern IMO . I am more worried about future survival of the US than plastics in our foods (though there are too many, I agree).

I think we can worry and obsess about our food or just do the best we can after careful shopping (if such exists these days) for foods we can afford. Life is too short to worry about it beyond that IMO. I can say that I have heard that some folks who have traveled in eastern Europe felt better after an extended stay, even though some of the food may have be exposed to radiation. Go figure. Perhaps they are not feeding their animals these wicked diets of unnatural to the animal feeds. Also apparently these countries are growing their foods on farms which are more locally situated to the consumer and therefore they are fresher.

Far more important than worrying about foods, again IMO, is finding out through testing what we may have, lyme, herpes, mycoplasma and other possible causes of our illnesses (such as parasites or RA or cutaneous lupus to name a few). Then if treated a difference may be noted and improved health may follow. It's worth a try anyway. Years of natural herbs (and some of them very potent), natural protocols and special diet never touched the fatigue I had although did help some of the skin symptoms. Anti-viral meds (currently trialing a new one) and some doxy though have started to lift that awful fatiue. And skin symptoms seem to be improving some. Ivermectin has reduced some of the skin symptoms too. Crossing fingers.

quote=annesco;87921]TCM,

So are you vegan or vegetarian then? Obviously, this interests me in view of my current efforts to gain weight (still unsuccessful, btw), and recent months of vegetarianism.

In truth, even with regards to vegetable and fruits, unless you can raise your own exclusively, there is no guarantee that those are safe either, even if USDA certified organic. Organic doesn't mean clean or sterile, and a lot of microorganisms have been found on in/on organic produce. Where does that leave us?

We have very little control over what we consume on any level, it seems...[/quote]

[jeanlong]

Hi tcm and All,

ugh, this is something I was just talking about with my doctor when trying to figure out how I could have ingested any DDT at all considering how careful I am, and it has to be fish. and then we talked about fish being fed to livestock. That does not make me feel good at all.

agree, this is not good news.

best,
Jean

Originally Posted by tcmgpt13

Jean, that site has a vested interest in seeing that no cattle are used for food.

...

The truly scary thing to me is that these animals and chickens are sometimes being fed meal which contains fish. Now that could spread neurotoxins into the general population beyond just the possible neurotoxins such as cyanobacteria being in the water. These toxins are not eliminated by cooking food at high temperatures and have no way of being detected unless tests are run on every batch made. Want to bet that this is not the case?

[tcmgpt13]

Please note if I use the word obsessive in regards to diet and/or food I am not pointing to any particular person and/or diet as being obsessive when it comes to the issue of food and/or food choices. Hence the word 'we' was employed in my prior post here. 'We' was used in the sense of generalization, not in the sense of specific. But no one has to accept and/or believe any generalization I make. This would also apply to any specifics and/or any particulars. Since I have been on this forum for about four years now I have seen many diets discussed on MDR in the past. While I think diets may be helpful my view (my opinion only) is that no diet has cured all symptoms, but may have helped more and/or less. Depending on symptoms and/or co-infections and/or immune system strength and/or age. I have also noticed that the diets employed differed from person to person and that diets have been undertaken for a variety of reasons. For the most part diet appears to have only helped the M symptoms most seem to have. When I used the word obsessive I was mostly applying that to myself and not to anyone in particular except in the general sense of 'we.' Which lands obsessive into the generalization category of meaning anyone at all. To clarify some points (I hope). This post applies only to the category of clarification. It is not intended to answer any post on this and/or any other thread.

[annesco]

Ditto, TCM.

My reference to obsession was purely in reference to myself and my recent fixation on weight gain. I just wanted everyone here to know that I am aware of my redundancy re: subject matter, and don't wany you all to get too bored!

I realize that I might appear a bit self-centered with regards to the food issue, is all... (As I sit here eating a plate of quinoa, sauteed green beans and grilled chicken breast).

[janedoe]

Originally Posted by annesco

Ditto, TCM.

My reference to obsession was purely in reference to myself and my recent fixation on weight gain. I just wanted everyone here to know that I am aware of my redundancy re: subject matter, and don't wany you all to get too bored!

I realize that I might appear a bit self-centered with regards to the food issue, is all... (As I sit here eating a plate of quinoa, sauteed green beans and grilled chicken breast).

your not self centered, no more than anybody is. we all must think of ourselfs first, we must look at ourselfs in the mirror and be happy with what we see. some are some arent.
right now your focused on gaining weight ( damn wish i had your problem!) and theres nothing wrong with that, its only obsessing when thats ALL you think about and go overboard.if you think your doing that, then see a doc. but sometimes people get all hung up on one word here and take off from the meaning you intend, dont let it through you. folks are cool here, we all have good and bad days.. and we all have opinions.
may i ask, how tall are you and what do you weigh? PM me if youd rather not say, but im just curious is all

[annesco]

I'm 5'3" and now weigh about 103. Down almost 30 lbs. I had wanted to lose about 10 lbs., but this is ridiculous. However, I am now paying close attention to caloric intake and have consumed about 700 so far today, with lunch coming up in an hour or so. I ate a ton last night with no ill effects, and am most definitely feeling stronger. My goal right now is to put on 5lbs., and eventually another 5, and then hold there. The challenge is to do this correctly and use this effort to help me get well, not eat a lot of junk and empty calories (which my daily 2 - 3 glasses of wine or scotch equated to, and more on the weekends, of course). New Year's Eve and no bubbly for this gal! My hubby drank half a bottle all by himself while I sipped a mug of peppermint tea...

If you think about it, eliminating the alcohol alone would account for at least 1200 - 1400 calories per day, which would make me lose weight. Add to that the absence of animal protein, any carbs or sugars, the illness and stress, and voila! Down to skin and bones in 4 months. I think I was lucky if I was consuming 1000 calories two weeks ago... Thank gosh for supplements.

Originally Posted by janedoe

your not self centered, no more than anybody is. we all must think of ourselfs first, we must look at ourselfs in the mirror and be happy with what we see. some are some arent.
right now your focused on gaining weight ( damn wish i had your problem!) and theres nothing wrong with that, its only obsessing when thats ALL you think about and go overboard.if you think your doing that, then see a doc. but sometimes people get all hung up on one word here and take off from the meaning you intend, dont let it through you. folks are cool here, we all have good and bad days.. and we all have opinions.
may i ask, how tall are you and what do you weigh? PM me if youd rather not say, but im just curious is all