Finally - s scientific article that doesn't take the DOP approach - MUST READ

[zenmorgie]

I got received a copy of this journal article from my Dr. It is a small step but hopefully a helpful one.

Happy reading!

Filament formation associated with spirochetal infection: a comparativ

[tcmgpt13]

Wow, interesting article Zen. I have just started reading the article itself, but this is the direction my thinking has been going lately, that in the background lyme could be a huge issue especially as it was something that was noticed by those who researched M from its earliest days. What has made me think this even more lately is an article I recently read by a doctor who used to treat lyme patients. If you haven't already read this you might be interested. Notice how many symptoms are similar to those we experience with M. This doctor (John Bleiweiss) also felt that the incidence of thyroid disease was higher in those with lyme symptoms than in people in the general population.:

lymenet.de/lymcheck.html#essay

As late lyme is mentioned in the article you provided (great find btw) I thought a link to this post and the article it contains might be of interest.

The article title is:

Pathology of late or chronic Lyme neuroborreliosis compared to neurosyphilis:

morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/morgellons-disease-fiber-disease/5388-dr-harvey-et-al-published-report-7.html#post78309 (permalink 64)

Newer study connecting lyme/lymph issues:

morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/lyme-disease/7515-lyme-lymph-connection-groundbreaking-study.html

[Baraka Obam]

We get closer with every man/woman with a degree that bucks the system.

[Janice]

Thank you for the post!

[Jo]

Thanks Zen good find. I can understand why Stricker would want to establish a link between Lyme and morg filaments - looks like the lab comparisons will be published in a follow up article. I'll look forward to that!

Jo

[tcmgpt13]

I will look forward to that type of additional news too Jo...if only we can find out what we actually have then possible steps to improve health rationally will follow. No more guesswork theories would be great.

I was thinking about how so many of us have gall bladder issues with this disease and found this very short discussion about the possible connection between lyme and gall bladder disease. What has helped me tremendously to still have a gall bladder and few residual symptoms in this area has been having TCM herbalists diagnose this and continuously treat this area with herbs. It is slow, but I think those symptoms are much, much better. Hopefully someday soon I can stop taking these herbs, but until I am sure I still take some of these teapills every night without fail:

Thursday, June 26, 2008 Lyme and the gallbladder

This an area of Lyme medicine which deserves more attention. Many Lyme patients end up with removal of the gallbladder. Lyme can infect the wall of the gallbladder and cause chronic inflammation. This appears to happen with increased frequency when there is also evidence of Salmonella infection. In the past most gallbladder disease was related to gall stones. There has been a change. Most patients with gallbladder disease no longer have stones; they have chronic inflammation of the gallbladder. Patients with gallbladder disease have recurrent bouts of abdominal pain which starts out mild but gradually builds up to severe pain. The pain may be located in the right upper abdomen or be generalized to the entire abdomen. Nausea and vomiting may occur.

In the past doctors have ordered a sonogram to evaluated the gallbladder. When the problem is related to infection this test will be normal. The diagnosis is made with a nuclear medicine scan called a HIDA scan, with the administration of a hormone called CCK. The hormone injection will likely cause the symptoms to recur and the test will showed a low ejection fraction, indicating abnormal functioning of the gallbladder. Generally, successful treatment requires removal of the gallbladder which can be done with a minimally invasive laparoscope. The fact that intravenous Rocephin is known to cause gallbladder attacks may suggest that this is a sort of Herxheimer reaction involving a gallbladder which is already infected with Lyme bacteria.

Posted by Lyme report: Montgomery County, MD at 9:38 AM

lymemd.blogspot.com/2008/06/lyme-and-gallbladder.html

quote=Jo;86278]Thanks Zen good find. I can understand why Stricker would want to establish a link between Lyme and morg filaments - looks like the lab comparisons will be published in a follow up article. I'll look forward to that!

Jo[/quote]

[Janice]

I have developed a gall stone and I was thinking it had more to do with my hep c, but possibly not.


Now just to cover our bases in the mean time, does any one know how to deal with the spirochete naturally with herbs, food or vitamins?

[sportsman1969]

Chitosan may help herx effect detox LYME DISEASE

NUTRACEUTICALBREAKTHROUGHS IN LYME DISEASE

Great link above. They use cats claw for lyme.

Don't you agree Janice?

Godspeed!

[Janice]

Stephen Buhner in his book “Healing Lyme”, outlines an herbal treatment protocol that uses a mix of cat’s claw, Huperizine and Resveratrol to put the Lyme disease in remission on about 50 patients. These herbs taken in the mix have been proven to be among the most effective alternative cure to the disease.



Resveratrol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Huperzine A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





*Uncaria tomentosa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[tcmgpt13]

Well, Janice, I am sure that herbs and some other supplements can help lyme but even the Buhner protocol does not work for everyone. Sometimes it takes a bit of time to become better. Not everything herbal will work for everyone equally well, but reading about this protocol and trying some of it can be a place to start. Here's his website discussing lyme:

buhnerhealinglyme.com/

I was really surprised to see all the changes that have been made to his site since the last time I saw it. There is also a forum on this site where folks share their experiences with his protocol. I think this section is quite helpful:

buhnerhealinglyme.com/support-group/

There is some discussion of biofilms by Buhner on his site. Since this man is a fairly well known herbalist who is very knowledgeable there is a lot to be learned from this site. He does list some cautions for using his protocol as well, something I think is the sign of a good herbalist. I believe Buhner would be the last person to say that his protocol would help everyone. He, like most qualified health care practitioners seems to be aware that the body can get a lot better, but also realizes that so far there is nothing that totally clears lyme from the body. At least that's what he says here about biofilm:

Clearing biofilm

Dear Stephen, I’m taking nattokinase 200 mg daily, lumbrokinase 3 times daily and wobenzyme twice daily in 3 caplets. Will this clear biofilm? If not, what can I do to clear it?

Stephen’s response: Some people think it will clear biofilm. I tend to think differently about the lyme spirochetes. I am not sure it is possible to ever truly eliminate them from the body and there is a great deal of research supporting that observation. They can be controlled however and their numbers severely limited. The trick in eliminating them, if that is what you are going to try, is to find a systemic antibiotic, whether herbal or pharmaceutical, that is specific for spirochetes and that will affect all forms. No one has found one yet. So the combination of collagen support, immune strengthening, and reduction in inflammation will usually deal with most if not all symptoms. I can’t really say what will clear all biofilms.

Stephen

buhnerhealinglyme.com/miscellaneous/clearing-biofilm/