The three types of itch

[Ahopeful]

I guess it has been covered but just out of interest..

For me the type if itch is the most characteristic thing.

I wondered if these three types of itch are common among others:

1. The pin prick stab. Rarish. At a single point. Varies but sometimes is actually really painful. Most often thighs or base of foot toe.
2. The crawling. Almost like a feather tickling you, a creeping crawling sensation. Most often on my shoulder top of back.
3. Straight up itch. Sometimes preceded by slight burning sensation. Sometimes stonger, sometimes weaker. Anywhere and everywhere.

(Though I see numerous small fibres in my flat, which do happen to fluoresce in UV - as does cotton - I am lucky enough to not have any legions aside from what seems like persistant and not particularly bad folliculitis on my legs and sometimes arms and hands, head. I have yet to categorically confirm fibres from my body as such, perhaps I do not have M?. But 10 years is a long time to have this, and I've never seen a bug..)

[JimDoe]

Originally Posted by Ahopeful

I guess it has been covered but just out of interest..

For me the type if itch is the most characteristic thing.

I wondered if these three types of itch are common among others:

1. The pin prick stab. Rarish. At a single point. Varies but sometimes is actually really painful. Most often thighs or base of foot toe.
2. The crawling. Almost like a feather tickling you, a creeping crawling sensation. Most often on my shoulder top of back.
3. Straight up itch. Sometimes preceded by slight burning sensation. Sometimes stonger, sometimes weaker. Anywhere and everywhere.

(Though I see numerous small fibres in my flat, which do happen to fluoresce in UV - as does cotton - I am lucky enough to not have any legions aside from what seems like persistant and not particularly bad folliculitis on my legs and sometimes arms and hands, head. I have yet to categorically confirm fibres from my body as such, perhaps I do not have M?. But 10 years is a long time to have this, and I've never seen a bug..)

Hello Ahopeful. Yes the stinging itch is one of the most horriable aspects of all this. You really should give this a try. It may provide instant releif of the itch and sting. Many think its just to simple and never try it at all. It is simple. A salt bath. Maybe you already have taken some. But just in case you havn,t try at least a half box of table salt to a 20 minute soak. If you find it helps then as soon as practical use a non idionised salt, there is a thing call iodine poisioning. Nothing to worry about right away. Only worry about iodine if you take two or more a week. I sometimes took two a day. Good luck and welcome to our sometimes not so friendly home.

[Ahopeful]

Hi JimDoe,

Thanks for the reply. I will try this salt bath - it is one thing I haven't tried.

For me the 3 types of itch/sting are so characteristic I wondered if anyone had this same experience.

Take care, I'll keep the forum updated on any progress.

[skylark99]

I have itchiness, but not characteristic of itches in general.

Sometimes the needle prick sensations, very sudden, and painful.

More often there is white particles that fall out of my hair and off my face and get on my eyes. I call this matter frass, or white frass. When it first comes out of the scalp or face it does so with a popping sensation.
When it lands on other skin, it ands with a tiny plop, and then tickles.
If it stays on the new surface, the tickle escalates to a stinging sensation and then to a proper itch.
Sometimes, these particles feel as though they are moving, but not with movement per se, perhaps rolling over the skin surface is a better description.
If the frass is not removed immediately, the it goes under the skin. If intercepted from going into the skin, tweezers can pluck it out --and it does pluck out with a gentle tug, suggesting that it is somehow attached to the skin. That this occurs within seconds of contact is odd.

None of this frass looks alive in micrographs that Jo took.

I am stumped as to why no doctor has submitted any of this stuff to a lab for analysis to find out what it is composed of.

I am also stumped why so many doctors jump to the conclusion that we are all convinced that we have parasites in the skin --the only question I have every asked is what is in my skin; I have never said I thought it was alive. But they all jump to the conclusion that I think that I have bugs and they refuse to look at what I want them to look at. Oh, I forgot ..... the assumption is made, so that they do not have to look. Easier to earn the high salaries and not do much to earn them. Silly me.

[JimDoe]

Ahopeful. I do think the salt soak will help a lot to releive the itching and stings. Yes the itching and sting itch is very charistic of this for a good many here.
I like the way you describe it as being the three types of itch, that is so right.
Beating this itch takes time overall. My info says 3 months, my experience says two years. But don,t be heartbroken the very first salt soak will bring instant releif. You may get out dry off and say to yourself. I can now for the first in a long time live with this if it continues to work. I am "Ahopeful" for you and ridding this itch that is so deep and pinpoint and intense in the areas that it shows no mercy of. Half of box of table is all it takes. When you can switch to pool salt. walmart sells it in garden section in white 40lb bags for about 6$ a bag. Blue writing and says Mortons Pool Salt. Contains no iodine. Three double hand full scoops will do it. A bag will last about a month that way.
Heres breifly why salt works on the itch.
Salt in chock full of electrolytes and electrolytes induced to the skin will calm the nervous system. A lot of times the 3 itching is merely a algernic reaction of the nervous system from this disease.
Be well, get well and get into that bath with a salt shaker in one hand.
Nice to meet you Ahopeful.

[JimDoe]

Originally Posted by skylark99

I have itchiness, but not characteristic of itches in general.

Sometimes the needle prick sensations, very sudden, and painful.

More often there is white particles that fall out of my hair and off my face and get on my eyes. I call this matter frass, or white frass. When it first comes out of the scalp or face it does so with a popping sensation.
When it lands on other skin, it ands with a tiny plop, and then tickles.
If it stays on the new surface, the tickle escalates to a stinging sensation and then to a proper itch.
Sometimes, these particles feel as though they are moving, but not with movement per se, perhaps rolling over the skin surface is a better description.
If the frass is not removed immediately, the it goes under the skin. If intercepted from going into the skin, tweezers can pluck it out --and it does pluck out with a gentle tug, suggesting that it is somehow attached to the skin. That this occurs within seconds of contact is odd.

None of this frass looks alive in micrographs that Jo took.

I am stumped as to why no doctor has submitted any of this stuff to a lab for analysis to find out what it is composed of.

I am also stumped why so many doctors jump to the conclusion that we are all convinced that we have parasites in the skin --the only question I have every asked is what is in my skin; I have never said I thought it was alive. But they all jump to the conclusion that I think that I have bugs and they refuse to look at what I want them to look at. Oh, I forgot ..... the assumption is made, so that they do not have to look. Easier to earn the high salaries and not do much to earn them. Silly me.

Skylark what you describe about white specks tunneling in is something I,ve not dealt with. I did expel many of the white spots like granuals and very small to sand size a lot, but they always fell off. At the risk of sounding like a on the loose harp I have to mention that salt does another wonderful thing. It detoxifies the skin. It will expell even large peices of whats inside. Maybe it could help you as well on getting whats in, out.

[Baraka Obam]

I don't know about the word detoxify but i will agree with Jim here, the salt baths or bakeing soda baths are gooooooood.

I used baking soda for two reasons, one, I have high blood pressure salt may rise it, even what is absorbed.

my tub was a late model Chinese tub which are NOT GOOD, they are not cast iron and will rot out.

The new tubs are tin, my tub is now at the dump it did rust out from salt.

I want to get a old claw foot tub and put it outback to do salt baths in it.

Here is a double whammy, you can step into the tub and lather yourself up with a little shampoo and alot of baking soda, I mean it will litterally melt into a puddle if you add shampoo do a real good application you can either put on a house coat and go watch a movie or just get into a drawn bath with salt already added.

This is one benificial bath.

Many people think this kind of thing is stupid or sencless but it is not.

The involvment does not like heavy salt or heavy baking soda.

There was a real nice Lavender shampoo that was also working along with this, I am going to call the commune that I got it from, maybe the have products on a site by now.

I know they make natural products for other companys that sell them.

[JimDoe]

Its odd that you mention baking soda at this time. I took my first one only two weeks ago or less one 6 or 10 oz box of it.. I swear I have no symptoms of morgs, no fibers or sores or itching,but on this soda bath fibers were in the tub water.
No not me! I,m cured see. Yes they were there. I guess i,m not really as cured as I wanted to be or even thought. But for 8 months now I do not suffer the pain of it. My arm sockets do no longer hurt either. BO get a vynal tub. You know the cheap white plastic. Thats all I,ve ever had since moving here into this mobile home that is not really so mobile. Its strapped down on a foundation. Just gassing off here but about a month ago I saw a 200ish year old house moving down the street. On wheels even. Must have been white trash mobile house people that live in white trash mobile house neighborhoods. Hook a truck to my home and you will likely loose a transmission quick. Like I said just gassing off. B cool Bo.

[skylark99]

Thanks for the suggestion Jim.

My first time round with all this mess, I did a previous long
post on how salt baths really helped. But I discovered that that help was very short-lived.

After about 6 of these baths I discovered that a lot of
this white stuff was actually dispersing to clear
areas of my skin, with the result that it spread to
many places I really wish it hadn't.
So I then avoided baths.

I then switched to using salt water in showers, but this did
not realy get these things off my ski as well as sulfur soap.
I wasn't too unhappy to say goodbye to the salt; I don't have a car
and carrying several kilos home from the bus stop every few days
just about did my back in. There was also the 2 weeks that the
UK actually ran out of salt, as icy road conditions resulted in
everyone rushing out and emptying the shelves. Honest, there
was not a saltshaker full of salt anywhere in the whole country!

I also had a stint with the backing soda; again, the result of relief
only lasted a few weeks but it did not really stop the white stuff
from coming out of the skin and scalp, or re-entering new skin
where it landed.

After I said good bye to salt,
I had some sulfur soap sent over last year and went through
10 bars in a couple of weeks, along with 2 bottles of jason
Dandruff Relief Shampoo. These really helped and lessened
the amount of stuff in the skin, though I still had quite a lot
in the scalp.

I cannot get sulfur soap here in the UK, so I buy rock sulfur,
grind it up and add it to Fairy Liquid (green; thanks Jo.) This helps
more than anything right now.

I am now going to try somethig that someone else has
recommended to get these white things out of my scalp and face.
It is simple and cheap, if a bit messy, but I have the luxury to be
able to do it as I do not really have to be anywhere most of
the time.

This is to mix a bit of milk in yoghurt and layer it on the areas
of scalp and skin from where these white particles originate.
The mix must be blended very well. Applied quite thick.
It has to be left on 24 hrs a day and reapplied after each shower
or shampoo. Done daily until these lumpy places are gone
the white things no longer come out of the bumps. The
person who told me about this said that it only took a few
days for all this to stop.

I will post a treatment thread, a record of my progress. Or not.

That said, I do know that salt and/or baking soda DOES really
help some people. We do seem do get different results from
different things, so I think that salt is worth people trying, because
it may help them.

[JimDoe]

Originally Posted by skylark99

Thanks for the suggestion Jim.

My first time round with all this mess, I did a previous long
post on how salt baths really helped. But I discovered that that help was very short-lived.

After about 6 of these baths I discovered that a lot of
this white stuff was actually dispersing to clear
areas of my skin, with the result that it spread to
many places I really wish it hadn't.
So I then avoided baths.

I then switched to using salt water in showers, but this did
not realy get these things off my ski as well as sulfur soap.
I wasn't too unhappy to say goodbye to the salt; I don't have a car
and carrying several kilos home from the bus stop every few days
just about did my back in. There was also the 2 weeks that the
UK actually ran out of salt, as icy road conditions resulted in
everyone rushing out and emptying the shelves. Honest, there
was not a saltshaker full of salt anywhere in the whole country!

I also had a stint with the backing soda; again, the result of relief
only lasted a few weeks but it did not really stop the white stuff
from coming out of the skin and scalp, or re-entering new skin
where it landed.

After I said good bye to salt,
I had some sulfur soap sent over last year and went through
10 bars in a couple of weeks, along with 2 bottles of jason
Dandruff Relief Shampoo. These really helped and lessened
the amount of stuff in the skin, though I still had quite a lot
in the scalp.

I cannot get sulfur soap here in the UK, so I buy rock sulfur,
grind it up and add it to Fairy Liquid (green; thanks Jo.) This helps
more than anything right now.

I am now going to try somethig that someone else has
recommended to get these white things out of my scalp and face.
It is simple and cheap, if a bit messy, but I have the luxury to be
able to do it as I do not really have to be anywhere most of
the time.

This is to mix a bit of milk in yoghurt and layer it on the areas
of scalp and skin from where these white particles originate.
The mix must be blended very well. Applied quite thick.
It has to be left on 24 hrs a day and reapplied after each shower
or shampoo. Done daily until these lumpy places are gone
the white things no longer come out of the bumps. The
person who told me about this said that it only took a few
days for all this to stop.

I will post a treatment thread, a record of my progress. Or not.

That said, I do know that salt and/or baking soda DOES really
help some people. We do seem do get different results from
different things, so I think that salt is worth people trying, because
it may help them.

Forgive me skylark, but I have to use your quote in order to keep my mind fresh and comment on all you said. Its a failure of mine only. I don,t remember what I read for long peroids and remain focused on what I would like to say. This way I can look up at your post while I type.

Ok you mention "the first time around with this mess". Does that mean you got better at one point then worse again? I,m not being mean I swear it. That is so bad if its what you mean. I,m sorry to hear this for you. Against the grain of my ego Salt does not work for everyone, I hate that, Its so inexpensive to. And how does a person take a salt shower, was it a spray bottle? Or was it hooked to a supply in water line. Not important only curious.
I,ve heard of sulfer soap and its suposed to offer relief. I beleive it to. I could never find it at any stores. I did once inquire from my drugist about getting it in powder and found a recipe on the net for making your own mix. Sounds a lot like what you do for a mix. I don,t remember ever hearing of rock sulfer though that may have been how he would have gotten it for me. I never did. The shampoo you chose may have helped because most dandrif shampoos also contain sulfites. Just a guess.
Ok here it is the big whammy. Congradulations Sky. I mean this to. If you can do the milk and yogurt slimmy mix and have the disipline to leave it on for hours with that gooky mess all over, you may just yet beat this. I,m betting 40 to 1 odds that you will. I,m hoping 100 to zero that you do, 100% of it being in your favor. I,ve been there and done something like that with selsome blue and left on for days. It is gooky stuff. Matted it hair and all that. Ugh! I had to do it when I knew I had no work coming up or had any reason to be in public. It helped a lot but was a tough thing to keep up.
Last word, you will beat this! You,re smart and do have the disipline to make it happen. Thats so much of what it takes and you know that part already. Disipline of a regime in keeping it up. Slackers get not very far. I,m a slacker real bad on house keeping and thats just as important as well. You have my highest hopes.