Afraid tro bring this up again, but...

[posey]

... there are many people here and all people have the right to make their own choices, whether good or bad. It is called Free Will.

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| You are not crazy – you can do this.

[Baraka Obam]

You know what I like, for the amount of a measly $200 you can buy some hope, if its all you get, its more than doctors sell you for $100,000 and I can attest to that.

I hope the pioneers will get us more info on their healing situations, if not I will have to try it myself and I will be a pioneer, LOL, thats just the way I see it.

[tcmgpt13]

I love all the unabashed and continuous sales plugs and links found on MDR. So where is Shaula Koo?

Anyway Posey, congratulations. There's nothing like using the free will argument to bring up the same product yet again and appear to remain oh so innocent of involvement. Guess this means we cannot be friends?

Yep, it appears to be another cleverly (?) inserted mention of a product which costs a mere $200 to purchase and which seems to remain unproven.

Testimonial approaches do not count when it's a sales pitch as the person saying a product works is often the person selling it so of course she or he will say how great it is (gee, sounds like Jackie Gleason, only he was funny). Vested interest in doing so. So far there is no proof of efficacy or safety or ingredients, but I bet the price is just as high as it ever was. That appears to be the forte of sales these days, make whatever it is a high price to prove its valuable effectiveness to the mark.

For those who may have missed the pro and con threads on this product:

Formula 5 or F-5

F-5 starting to really make a difference

Process for the Preparation of A Non-Corrosive Base Solution And Methods Of Using Same - Wurzburger, Stephen Ray (this one is interesting as Morgellons is mentioned in this patent) Patents are just that though, not proof of anything except there's a patent.

[tcmgpt13]

Good idea BO, let's get started on that product, hope in a bottle! It will reach way beyond the M community. We can get rich!

Joking aside, what doctors sell is covered by insurance as most of us could never afford to pay what doctors charge. Meanwhile anyone thinking of paying for this unproven "experiment" be sure to see the links in my post prior to this one.

Originally Posted by Baraka Obam

You know what I like, for the amount of a measly $200 you can buy some hope, if its all you get, its more than doctors sell you for $100,000 and I can attest to that.

I hope the pioneers will get us more info on their healing situations, if not I will have to try it myself and I will be a pioneer, LOL, thats just the way I see it.

[sammy]

Originally Posted by posey

... there are many people here and all people have the right to make their own choices, whether good or bad. It is called Free Will.

F-5 Blog

| You are not crazy – you can do this.

Posey, We should never be at the point where we are afraid too bring up any thing about this disease. as many of us have spent thousands of dollars on treatment what is another hundred or two. I would not be afraid too try this tks sammy

[Janice]

I think its great that we share what is working for us.

[Baraka Obam]

Yes again TCM, thats exactly how I got started on my way to being able to show my face once again in the light of day.

I am so thankful for the internet, it gives me access to so much information, some positive some negative.

My findings with what I have used by suggestions of others healings is this, the things that get results do not always show up as positive results at first, but then they are the only thing to keep the mess at bay for good.

The fact that we have TCM here to help with the positive but also the negative sides of some times exagerated hoopla is a blessing.

I do know I made alot of mistakes in treatment, but try to make it easier for others that may follow.

Warnings are good, but can be just as conterproductive as snake oil sales people.

In our case we have no choices, we have to be the test subjects or we may never find a way out.

I am a LIVING test subject, if I was not a test subject i would be dead right now, if not from the disease from my own hand.

Was it worth it, yes, I love the life I fought for.

[tcmgpt13]

So selling the Hope On a Rope is a non-starter with you? Darn, it would just be so easy to sell and what with expected volume sales all over the internet it could be moderately priced at $19.99 plus today you even get another Hope on a Rope plus 2 Bottles of Hope absolutely free for one low price. Do not ask me what is in it. I do not know. I just know you need some because it is working.

No need to ever prove any of this either. It's Hope. It sells itself. Just say how it worked for you and show the pictures of how it did. No need to pay for advertising. That is all the proof needed these days, especially with this crowd.

Sorry, here I thought we could be partners. Not.

Originally Posted by Baraka Obam

Yes again TCM, thats exactly how I got started

on my way to being able to show my face once again in the light of day.

I am so thankful for the internet, it gives me access to so much information, some positive some negative.

My findings with what I have used by suggestions of others healings is this, the things that get results do not always show up as positive results at first, but then they are the only thing to keep the mess at bay for good.

The fact that we have TCM here to help with the positive but also the negative sides of some times exagerated hoopla is a blessing.

I do know I made alot of mistakes in treatment, but try to make it easier for others that may follow.

Warnings are good, but can be just as conterproductive as snake oil sales people.

In our case we have no choices, we have to be the test subjects or we may never find a way out.

I am a LIVING test subject, if I was not a test subject i would be dead right now, if not from the disease from my own hand.

Was it worth it, yes, I love the life I fought for.

[sammy]

Originally Posted by tcmgpt13

Good idea BO, let's get started on that product, hope in a bottle! It will reach way beyond the M community. We can get rich!

Joking aside, what doctors sell is covered by insurance as most of us could never afford to pay what doctors charge. Meanwhile anyone thinking of paying for this unproven "experiment" be sure to see the links in my post prior to this one.

it is just like stumbling on too this site one and half years ago. I said oh my god this is what I have. since that time many of you have helped me so much yes I have bought a lot of products and some of you have been so kind too send me some that worked for you. Iam so grateful too all of you its been a long road for all of us. and when this is the only support you get, what more can I say. yes Baraka I want too get too where you are manybe one day I will. but your right you have too fight too live thru this thanks sammy

[Baraka Obam]

TCM do you mean we can not be two sick people together in a quest for health if I DO NOT GO ALONG WITH HOW YOU FEEL AND THINK.

i just hope that is not true, I hope we can continue to further our knowledge.

Let me ask you something, if you would have believed all the doctors about your illness what would you be right now, you would be DOP and just fine, is that not correct.

Many people have had the same exact experience, but wait, aren't these doctor people the EXPERTS, LOL, don't they have superior minds, LOL.

I have not met a doctor with deductible reasoning yet, they all stop like a door when it hits the door stop, no matter where it is placed, if you placed it so the door would not open a doctor would never get in the building.

I do not know what will heal us completely and I dare say NOBODY else does either, but if there is hope in just one persons eyes from what they are attempting then they are better than they were with NO HOPE.

You push Traditional Chinese Medicine healing, your not completely better yet, but you are better than you were, would you say it was herbs and spice and everything nice that did it? I think you will say that as maybe that is your only focus, but then I do not know, and quite frankly I do not care what you do, but if you get on your high horse and say this is helping me.

THIS THIS THIS has worked wonders for me, I would wonder WHY, as I would suspect that you know your body and the issues, so I will leave it too you to report to me.

TCM, I want a report on my desk every week on what and how you are doing promptly at 8 O'Clock Monday morning unless its a holiday. OK with you, LOL.

These people are us, if they use this stuff and can report what it does for them, and it looks good, lets just be happy for them, if we become daring and open ourselves up to this type of unknown consumtion of whatever then truly it is our business, is it not?

TCM I have nothing against you at all, your warnings are heard, but please let the test subjects speak, you may just learn somthing and get you chee in order.