Are organics really organics anymore

[JimDoe]

The last thing I want to do is ruffle a feather over this Q. I still believe organic methods of gardening is tops, dang the health benifits it just tastes better and for me the side benifit is that its better for you as well. I farmed for several years and still veg garden today. Organic farming is a guess. Cheats and liars will always live among us. And theres not nearly enough organic coppers out there to check them all out. Heres the point, if chemtrails are posining out dirt and skies and I beleive they are. Then our gardens and farms are also in trouble. I pre tilled my garden last week. Readying it up for spring planting in a few months. Even in North Carolina we have warm days 50s even. I don,t usually see many earth worms this time of year but it is not unheard of to find them after tilling on a warm winter day. I swear that worm had two of the harsh blue hollow floresent morg fibers protruding from it. I did not even have to touch the earth worm I picked it up by its hollow protruding blue fiber. I practice organic gardening, I use only a small amount of hard fertilizer at seeding time. Thats acceptable in organics and I use no other chemicals not even for bug control. Even our organics are in trouble. Now thats room for worry.

Heres a sort of side note. Squash get most of thier intake of nitrogen from the air. Last summer was my best year of life for squash. Tomatos gather most nutrients calicum and nitrogen from ground and was absolutly my worse year ever,tomatos were deformed and sickly. Some even were runny with blisters. I,m a good gardener one of my proudest moments was when a coworker wanted to see my brag sheet (garden). NC does not useally have droughts. That year we did and it was bad. Farmers here are not for the most part set up for prolongedoughts. Every where there were dead and dying crops, home gardens wilting. Not mine though. My friend said Jim that ain,t a garden it a freaking oasis. He was given pick of the crop that day. Lots of purple hulls and cantalope. Oh well! I,m out of breath now.
Best to all.

[KiraErikson]

A couple of years ago I was out in my rose garden when the entire garden was sprayed from overhead by a small plane. The spraying in Santa Monica, California apparently had to do with mosquito eradication (to prevent the made up problem of West Nile Virus). It was this spraying which landed on my scalp that led to Morgellons first beginning in my scalp shortly thereafter. The spraying also affected about half my 20 rose bushes, causing some to die and others to revert to their grafted root species (which roses will do when stressed severely -- provided they have root grafts). Essentially, I lost 10 well loved rose bushes.

There was some news notice in Santa Monica that the overhead spraying for mosquito control had caused some homeless men to get syphilis. Apparently it was the B. thuringiensis in the pesticide.

Anyway, today I came across an interesting article on the internet about the fact that pesticides containing B. thuringiensis can be dangerous to people because the biggest difference between B. thuringiensis and anthrax is the plasmid used. I don't fully understand, but plasmid has something to do with vector (and vector is something bio engineered -- not natural). I believe the CDC is looking into "vector-borne" illness and starting a whole new department to study it.

I also saw a tv show last night about "zombie alligators" that found that alligators in Griffin Lake in the U.S. were dying from a strange new nerve disorder due to a combination of pesticides, blue and green algae and something else. Apparently, wild salmon were also having a problem. The conclusion was to get more vitamin B1 to prevent this problem. It's too hard for me to explain, but the alligators lacked B1, and B1 is necessary in the diet for T cells and red blood cell production (something I think the body is forced to produce more of when attacked by Morgellons -- as the Morgies hijack the t cells to make more of themselves. Plasmid is part of what bioengineering does to mess with DNA.

I really have too much brain fog from the morgies to explain what I believe are the connections -- but here is part of an article re B. thuringiensis and anthrax. Hopefully others on this forum can follow up on the meaning.


Appl Environ Microbiol. 2010 January; 76(2): 468–473.
Published online 2009 November 30. doi: 10.1128/AEM.01984-09.
PMCID: PMC2805224
Copyright © 2010, American Society for Microbiology
Conjugative Transfer of Insecticidal Plasmid pHT73 from Bacillus thuringiensis to B. anthracis and Compatibility of This Plasmid with pXO1 and pXO2
Yongming Yuan, Dasheng Zheng, Xiaomin Hu, Quanxin Cai, and Zhiming Yuan*
Center for Applied and Environmental Microbiology, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan 430071, China
*Corresponding author. Mailing address: Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan 430071, China. Phone: 86-27-87198195. Fax: 86-27-87198120. E-mail: yzm@wh.iov.cn
Received August 18, 2009; Accepted November 12, 2009.
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ABSTRACT
Bacillus anthracis, the etiologic agent of anthrax, is genetically close to and commonly shares a giant gene pool with B. cereus and B. thuringiensis. In view of the human pathogenicity and the long persistence in the environment of B. anthracis, there is growing concern about the effects of genetic exchange with B. anthracis on public health. In this work, we demonstrate that an insecticidal plasmid, pHT73, from B. thuringiensis strain KT0 could be efficiently transferred into two attenuated B. anthracis strains, Ba63002R (pXO1+ pXO2−) and Ba63605R (pXO1− pXO2+), by conjugation in liquid medium in the laboratory, with transfer rates of 2.3 × 10−4 and 1.6 × 10−4 CFU/donor, respectively. The B. anthracis transconjugants containing both pHT73 and pXO1 or pXO2 could produce crystal protein Cry1Ac encoded by plasmid pHT73 and had high toxicity to Helicoverpa armigera larvae. Furthermore, the compatibility and stability of pHT73 with pXO1/pXO2 were demonstrated. The data are informative for further investigation of the safety of B. thuringiensis and closely related strains in food and in the environment.
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In the Bacillus cereus sensu lato family, the classification of three species, B. thuringiensis, B. cereus, and B. anthracis, is based mainly on the presence of different functional plasmids in the clusters (26). B. thuringiensis is an insect pathogen, harboring plasmids encoding insecticidal proteins with toxicity against insects of the orders Diptera, Lepidoptera, and Coleoptera and nematodes (30); B. cereus is a ubiquitous food spoilage bacterium associated with two forms of human food poisoning (diarrheal and emetic syndromes), and the cereulide toxin (which causes the emetic syndrome) is encoded on a large virulence plasmid, pCERE01 (also named pCER270; ≈270 kb) (15); B. anthracis is the active agent of anthrax, and its virulence is attributed mainly to the presence of plasmids pXO1 (≈182 kbp) and pXO2 (≈95 kbp) since curing any of the plasmids attenuates the strain (5).

[sojii]

Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, KiraErikson, but a vector is anything that serves as mode of transmission for a communicable illness, bacteria, etc. A vector in medical terms could be a mosquito or even someone's hand. In popular usage, it usually refers to an insect or animal. It doesn't refer to bio-engineering. A study of vector-borne diseases would probably focus on diseases carried and transferred to humans by insects.

[carla]

I think that Organics have been taken over too Jim.
If you can't grow your own at least go to a Farm shop and buy direct from them.
Wash everything in white vinegar to kill off whatever it is they are spraying.

[pat]

Careful Carla they'll ban vinegar next.
It briefly flitted through my mind to grow something in my garden till I remembered everything has been killed off in my garden from fruit trees to shrubs & plants so it would be pointless. The hedge that was covered in square webs is now dying big style. Nothing to do with the chemtrails of course!! I actually rang someone that deals with tree disease last week.Turned out it was a Govt run quango thing,so that was a complete waste of time.I told this silly mare the problem & she trotted out the usual Govt claptrap of 'Oh this is just lichen,its harmless,completely normal its because of all the wet conditions'.
I said I didn't think anything that was eating the house roof & killing everything in its path was normal,but then maybe it is if the Govt are behind it.I just put the phone down on her.
Jim you need to disinfect your veg completely.

[posey]

I watched this movie, Food, Inc., from Netflix and it looks as if a non GMO farmer may end up with GMO crops just due to wind blowing from one field to the next.

It also stated how GMO products fly off trucks and infect the crops of oGMO farmers or gardeners.

Yes, the seeds bought in stores are more than likely adulterated as well. Now days it seems near impossible to know for sure, without a doubt, what one is eating.

The Nutritionist I am consulting with is very intelligent when it comes to foods and exactly how they interact with Endocrine System, Nervous System, etc.

Her web address is:

karenhurd.com

She is known as the "Bean Queen". I think I posted about this already.

Legumes (beans) are one of the best foods one can eat because Beans and Bile get married in your system and this is what takes toxins out. Of course I can't explain it as she does. My next appt. with her is Feb. 3rd.

Presently, I eat 1/2 cup of beans at breakfast, lunch, and dinner, with protein and vegetables.

[JimDoe]

posey that be a lot of beans. Glad you can do it, beans are very healthy. One of my favorite spegitti westerns is they Trinity series and those two guys Bud Spencer and Terence Hill are always eatting beans in these movies. One of the movies was named Even Angels Eat Beans. I think they played in 38 movies together. Keep it up!