US Army Mycoplasma Fermentans Incognitus Patent

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Former President Bill Clinton has seen to it that the military are guinea pigs for experiments. It used to be prisoners who volunteered for such experiments to get better food and extra privileges, but now healthy young folks in the military substitute for them involuntarily. Yes, got it in one here. Weaken the defenders of this country so they can protect it. Hmmm...I wonder why? It makes me see red.

Executive order gives DOD power to use investigational drugs on militaryFeds say rules improve safeguards

Executive order gives DOD power to use investigational drugs on military
Feds say rules improve safeguards, critics say it will erode their rights

J. Stryker Meyer
Staff Writer

WASHINGTON ---- President Clinton signed Executive Order 13139 on Sept. 30 authorizing the Department of Defense to administer "new investigational drugs" to troops ---- with or without their consent ---- to protect them from biological, chemical or radiological agents during military actions.

The executive order modified a Defense Department policy to issue pyridostigmine bromide tablets to U.S. troops during Operation Desert Storm in Iraq in 1991 to protect them from possible chemical attacks from the Iraqi army.

The 1991 action was criticized by some veterans groups.

On Oct. 5, the Food and Drug Administration adopted a companion measure to the president's order. The FDA measure lays out the ground rules under which the Defense Department can unilaterally administer "new investigational drugs" to its troops ---- rules the federal government maintains has new safeguards for the military while critics worry that they will erode their rights.

In hearings last month before the House Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs and International Relations, two "bio-ethicists" and representatives from the FDA and Department of Health and Human Services talked about scenarios in which the president can have soldiers take new or unlicensed drugs without their consent.

The president's executive order, the FDA's companion measure and the House subcommittee hearings all grew out of the Defense Department's "failure to provide basic information or (to) maintain individual medical records for 'investigational' products used in the Persian Gulf (War in 1991)," said subcommittee Chairman Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., at the November hearing.

During Operation Desert Storm, the secretary of defense had the authority to give soldiers two new unlicensed drugs ---- pyridostigmine bromide, in 30-milligram tablets, and botulinum toxoid vaccine ---- Dr. William Raub told Shay's subcommittee. Raub is deputy assistant secretary for science policy at the Department of Health and Human Services.

"Pyridostigmine bromide was considered a potentially useful pre-treatment against certain nerve gases (and) botulinum toxoid vaccine is widely accepted as offering potential protection against ... botulism," Raub testified.

The FDA approved the Defense Department's request to administer the tablets and vaccine on Dec. 31, 1990, and Jan. 8, 1991, respectively, Raub said.

"Both products," he said, "were administered to portions of the military personnel who participated in Operation Desert Storm."

A drug that is "investigational" ---- a drug that hasn't gone completely through the FDA's lengthy approval process ---- isn't necessarily experimental or unsafe, said Defense Department spokesman James D. Turner.

"Rather, it means that a particular product has not been approved by FDA for general commercial marketing, but rather for a particularly stated medical purpose," Turner said last week. The "investigational" drugs were tested on primates, but not on people "because it would be unethical to give a test group drugs that would kill people ... so we do tests on primates."

Pyridostigmine bromide tablets were given to Desert Storm troops as pre-treatment for possible exposure to the nerve agent soman that Iraqi troops had in their arsenal, Turner said. He said soman is "a rapidly lethal nerve agent" that can kill in minutes. It was developed by Russia before the Gulf War, Turner said.

Turner said pyridostigmine bromide was listed by the FDA as a "new investigational drug" largely because tests of the drug were conducted on primates but not on humans. Even so, he said, it was still the drug that held the most promise against nerve agents.

He has some support for that position from Dr. Sue Bailey, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, who testified before the subcommittees on Health and Oversight and Investigations Committee on Veteran's Affairs on Nov. 16.

"The results of animal tests suggest that (the) use of pyridostigmine bromide as a pre-treatment adjunct, coupled with standard post-exposure treatments, may be effective," Bailey testified. She said she would still recommend pyridostigmine bromide today as the best drug for exposure to the nerve agent soman.

U.S. Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Escondido, said he is aware of the order and is receiving a briefing from the Pentagon on it on Monday.

"As I understand it, the intent is to tighten the restrictions against the government using experimental drugs," Cunningham said. "That could be good. ... I want our troops going into combat being protected against chemical or germ or nuclear agents."

Military spokesmen from the Navy, Air Force, Army and Marines said last week that they had not heard about Executive Order 13139.

"It usually takes some time for an order like that to roll down the chain of command," said Camp Pendleton's Lt. Col. Carol McBride.

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Veterans groups don't trust 13139

Two veterans groups said they're worried that Executive Order 13139 will eventually erode the rights of soldiers.

"It's ridiculous," said Arthur Bernklau, executive director of the New York-based Veterans for Constitutional Law Limited. "We're not serving under the King of England.

"(The executive order) should be rescinded immediately. ... I think it'll have a tremendous negative impact on re-enlistments, because slowly the word is spreading among military personnel today about the risks of (Defense Department) and FDA-sanctioned vaccines, including (pyridostigmine bromide)."

"This new executive order requires that we again trust that our Defense Department will do us no harm," said Joyce Riley vonKleist, a spokeswoman for the national organization Gulf War Veterans Association. "We can no longer trust it."

VonKleist, of the Gulf War Veterans Association, said Executive Order 13139 "comes at a time when the Pentagon's credibility with its military is at an all-time low."

She said Gulf War veterans returned home suffering maladies from both the toxicological and radiological elements they encountered in Iraq and Kuwait and from the pyridostigmine bromide tablets.

"It appears as though the drugs issued to military troops during the Gulf War were not adequately researched and that (soldiers) were used as guinea pigs," said vonKleist, a registered nurse and a captain in the inactive Air Force reserves. "We believe that 75 percent of the Gulf War veterans who are sick are ill from the vaccine."

Turner, in an interview with the North County Times, and Shays in his November testimony, said, however, that the tablets and vaccine were used as preventive measures, not as part of an experiment of some sort.

"Some Gulf War veterans believe they are suffering illnesses that were caused by (pyridostigmine bromide)," Turner said. "To date, no research has found a proven tie between (pyridostigmine bromide) and illnesses suffered by Gulf War veterans."

VonKleist said veterans who believe their maladies have been caused by unlicensed tablets and vaccine have the burden of proof in proving the link from being exposed to chemical agents in Iraq or Kuwait, to having an illness from service there. The veterans' task of proving their beliefs is difficult, vonKleist said, because the Department of Defense did a poor job of maintaining medical records for the administration of unlicensed drugs while refusing to give veterans their medical records.

New provisions
Federal officials testified in the November hearings that the president's executive order and the FDA's companion measure offer specific guidelines that must be met before the president can waive the rights of soldiers and administer investigational drugs. Turner, in an interview, agreed with them.

The federal officials said the guidelines were set up in part to respond to critics' concerns that there weren't any safeguards in place.

John T. Spotila of the Office of Management and Budget testified that 13139 "establishes a process for waiver decisions to be carefully evaluated in a timely manner and used only when absolutely necessary."

Spotila, who testified in the Nov. 9 hearing, said the order "creates multiple layers of oversight to ensure accountability, ensures that necessary safeguards for military troops are met, and builds in additional procedures and safeguards to protect the health and well-being of our military troops prior to and after a particular military operation."

There are three conditions under which the secretary of defense can request, in writing, that the president waive consent requirements for soldiers so the department can administer drugs without their consent.

They are:

1. When obtaining consent is not feasible.
2. When it is contrary to the best interest of the soldier.
3. When it is not in the interests of national security.

A waiver can last for up to a year and can be renewed only after the secretary applies for an extension to the president in writing.

Moreover, Raub testified in November that before the secretary can ask the president for a waiver he must follow the FDA's companion measure that requires the following:

1. The safety and effectiveness of the drug in relation to medical risk that could be encountered during the military operation supports the drug's administration under an investigational new drug application.
2. The military operation presents a substantial risk that military personnel may be subject to a chemical, biological, nuclear or other exposure likely to produce death or serious or life-threatening injury or illness.
3. There is no available satisfactory alternative therapeutic or preventive treatment.

Additionally, Raub testified that under the FDA's companion measure, military personnel must be given a "specific written information sheet" detailing why the drug is being used and "the risks and benefits of the drug's use, potential side effects and other pertinent information."

The Department of Defense must provide public notice in the Federal Register describing each waiver of informed consent, a summary of the most updated scientific information on the products used "as soon as practicable," he testified.

The Department of Defense must document and certify that its record-keeping system is capable of tracking military personnel who have been given "new investigational drugs," Raub testified.

Department of Defense spokesman Turner said in a telephone interview last week that in 1990 and after Operation Desert Storm, the department "admitted some difficulties in administering the conditions of the waiver, such as poor record-keeping and providing information to military personnel."

The Department of Defense must also establish an Institutional Review Board to oversee the department's compliance with FDA rules. Defense officials point to this review board as one more "safeguard" to protect military members.

Dr. Charles R. McCarthy, a senior research fellow with the Kennedy Institute of Ethics at Georgetown University, testified on Nov. 9 that the Institutional Review Board "should be created by FDA" and not the Department of Defense. He said the president should receive a briefing from members of that board before deciding on whether to authorize the use of investigational drugs.

McCarthy recommended that a Date and Safety Monitoring Board be created to track each given drug and that its reports and evaluations be forwarded to the Institutional Review Board and the president "at regular intervals."

Raub said that in 1997, notice was printed in the Federal Register seeking comments on the use of "investigational drugs" in military personnel and other "emergency settings to treat or prevent toxicity of chemical or biological substances."

In response to the Federal Register inquiry, the FDA says it received 134 comments on the Pentagon's use of pyridostigmine bromide and on the issue of waiving military members' consent. The FDA says 114 respondents filed those 134 comments, which "stated that informed consent was absolutely essential and that military personnel, like other nonmilitary citizens, should receive adequate information about an investigational product before its use and the right to refuse to receive it."

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Originally Posted by Baraka Obam

Thanks again Venetia for this article, it shows the use of natural disease mutated by the Military as a weapon, not as a instant killer but as a delapitating agent, long tern murder. How can they be allowed to make wepons that not only kill the people they are fighting, but their childrens children, also, when they use it don't they also kill our soldiers and their childrens children. Its a sickness of government, they decide who is gonna live and die. These criminals need to be rounded up and used as lab rats.

This is a good read and follows almost to a T what I have spouted all along. It may not alleviate your condition but it will send you to get TESTING, not guessing, get as many tests as you can. I and others here have tested positive for it, make sure you talk your doctor into testing not guessing. It will be a plan you sell him on when you explain, many people that have the same disease aspects and symptoms have tested positive for this list of things, that is why we need a GOOD LIST TO FOLLOW.

The doctor will otherwise dope you up with his best, drugs, they will get stronger and more deadly, he starts with the most positive result drugs and goes from there. DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU, TESTING is the last word! That also does not mean that after treatment and you are negative that the morphing disease has not taken on another one of its forms.


I am super interested in Poseys outcome, hopefully this will be a benificial strike on the invader.

My pleasure, Barack!

I find the work of Donald Scott as well as Garth Nicolson fascinating yet frightening.

Doxycycline- works on the mycoplasma.


Germ Warfare Against America: Part VIab - Methods Of Treatment Of GWI

Fair use

Excerpt:

B. Use Of Doxycycline To Treat Gulf War Illness

As the Nicolsons have written: Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus) is contributing to the deaths of those affected with GWI, but little is known about its distribution in the normal adult population. Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus) will cause chronic fatigue syndrome, recurring fever, night sweats, joint pain, stomach upsets and cramps, headaches, skin rashes, heart pain, kidney pain, thyroid problems, and in extreme cases, auto-immune-like disorders, such as those that lead to paralysis.

[ED. NOTE: See the more extensive list of symptoms in Section I-B above].

These latter symptoms are probably due to the fact that this microorganism is released from infected cells carrying parts of host cell plasma membrane, and individuals may respond to the microorganism as well as normal host antigens carried on the microorganism. This mycoplasma is also communicable between humans and dogs and cats, as we found out when one of our cats died from the disease, and its blood tested positive for Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus). Both of us (i.e. Drs. Nancy and Garth Nicolson) have suffered from Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus) and have recovered.

end excerpt

Hope this helps someone.

~V~

[Baraka Obam]

Strange isn't it Howie that with every new military action, there is a syndrom of some sort, where the military come home and have a suspisious disease. i was looking at one time for all war connected disease since WW2 and found quite a few, one the French had after somthing they did in Indo China was very interesting, but I can not find it again, it has vanished. Then again so has my mind.

The amount of information is staggering that we can attain now, it is hard to read and retain all of it.

Tomorrow I will go and get my microscope and examine over this week a family that exibits slight symptoms of this malady, a grand father, daughter, husband, grand son and look atr fluids, hair, skin scraping. Right now all I am looking for is fibers, lets see maybe I can find more. the grand father was a Vietnam era veteren, his daughter, her son and husband. Lets just see.

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How are you doing this fine freezing Sunday evening ?The lists of symptoms for this, I have had all of them including the loss of the use of one arm. This test will be one on the top of my list now, I have to start investigating again and make a new list, there is a good question, is there anyway to order your own tests from a testing company inexpensively. I went to the DISEASE SPECIALIST, her speciality was removeing 3 hundred a pop out of my pocket for a short conversation. She is the same one that treated the big time baseball player and his family, when I talked with her I asked her, what is morgellons, OMG, textbook B/S. I was flabbergasted is that it, oh oh oh and bug biteing, yes ok I said, I think she had DOP, LOL, Delusions of Physician.


I wish more of the people here would be DEMANDING testing, it is the only way to get the correct diagnosis for all of us, POSITIVE TESTS of all our symptom disease

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So how to get this test? For the mycoplasma fermentans? It is not readily available. Authorities shut down Garth Nicholson in Texas when he was doing the test required for diagnosing this mycoplasma. I have been tested for mycoplasma, but probably just the ordinary kind. Negative. So...But my guy did diagnose the viral herpes part, so all was not lost, except my stomach which finally rebelled against the overly strong effects of long term use of acyclovir. Now I am back to herbs (thank goodness) and doing better. Healing...Now the next problem. If the test were readily available and I tested positive for mycoplasma fermentans treatment would be limited in my case, as I doubt I could take any antibiotic long term without eventually developing an allergy to it. Back to square 1.

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Here is Garth Nicholson's discussion of where to run this test and where. Evidently this test is not available everywhere:

MycoplasmaTest Panel (CPT: 87581)—Mycoplasma species test by PCR. This is a Mycoplasma general (all species) test. Some individual tests can be ordered (Mycoplasma fermentans, Mycoplasma pneumoniae). Justification: Almost 60% of CFS/FMS and 50% of Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA) and other autoimmune patients have one or more intracellular, systemic mycoplasmal infections similar to those found in a variety of chronic illnesses [Nicolson et al. Mycoplasmal infections in chronic illnesses: Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndromes, Gulf War Illness, HIV-AIDS and Rheumatoid Arthritis. Medical Sentinel 1999; 5:172-176]. Ultrasensitive and ultraspecific mycoplasma tests can only be done by a small number of labs, most university or government labs that have been trained by us under a U.S. government contract. Recommended Lab: VIP Laboratories of Reno, NV (http://www.vipdx.com/) Specimen Requirements: Contact laboratory for a specimen kit. The blood is collected, immediately mixed and immediately stored in a refrigerator until it is shipped (same day) in an insulated container overnight air courier to arrive within 24 hours.

I am not sure that lab is still doing the test, as when I was on the site there was a test discussed which may or may not be the one Nicholson is talking about here. If it is, it is a new version of this type of testing. It is hard to search for a test when you are not really sure what kind of testing or lab meets the criteria to find this infection.

[Baraka Obam]

TCM, we will just get a bunch of trunk monkeys and wash you for thiry days and 30 nights!!!! LOL

Not really, but how in the world can you be allergic to all the drugs, my feeling here would be the effect of elimination, wats the word I'm looking for starts with a H herkamer, hertz rent a car, I know you will get it, hep me TCM.

You know how I dispise doctors and drugs BUT if it would lead to one less strain on the body or a possible vector destruction, after a positive test result I would take antibiotics.

Tonight I broke down, I'm drinking coke classic and almost a whole bluberry pie, I feel GREAT, maybe tomorrow, I will a couple of pounds of mad cow disease yeah. I was getting REAL tired of TUMERIC TEA, yucky

There is somthing to be said for bright yellow teeth though, EASTER TEETH!! LOL, gotta start putting little stars and stripes on them.

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I have always run into trouble as far as drugs. I think sometimes my body does not eliminate them as fast as other people. Jello makes me sick (chemicals in food coloring). Blue cheese too. Antibiotics I have not reacted to will react I think if I were to use them long term. It's the gut effect I think, it catches up. My gut does not like mold. Period. Short term use of an antibiotic I have not yet reacted to, well it just tears up my stomach. I was on Cipro for the problems caused by the Acyclovir, and...well, my stomach was already torn up so...so it was stopped. I went back to TCM herbs and now getting better. No, drugs, antibiotics, no, drugs, no.... LOL.

BTW, your little break with the Morg diet sounds good though a weird combo for my taste. Blueberries and coke????Really??? I like my once in a while coke classic neat, in a class bottle, chilled, in the summer only, no ice. No other food. Yes.

Life is to be enjoyed, so I am glad you enjoyed. Don't complain though tomorrow when you have a sugar hangover.

tcm

[Venetia]

I'm doing ok- Baraka. And yourself? I'm Obsessing about Blastomycosis and fungus/mold and gliding bacteria if you must know...lol

As TCM states, Garth Nicolson had been the source for testing for Mycoplasma but no longer tests it seems.

Here is an old link- could be that most of these labs no longer test (for myco) but you could call?

Mycoplasma Resources

As I read about the subject of mold- if you see mold there is no need to test- you have mold so treat for it.

Same principal I would say unless you want to initiate a lawsuit. Otherwise, I would treat for Myco and
forget the testing. Doxycycline is cheap and easy to come by.

I do believe that there are additional meds on Garth Nicolson's protocol? Because the protocol is no
longer online (that I can find), there may be someone that has the list of meds/supplements?


There may be something here: Treatment Considerations

As an aside, a few years back I had raging tooth ache. Abscess. Went to a 'Doc in the Box' and got
lucky. An older female doctor who was Indian looked in my ear (not my mouth) and DX'd 5 scripts for
Anti-fungal and antibiotics (plus Vicodin). It was very fortunate for me that she was there that day- she was actually retired and filling in....

I was well in short order.

My point- whatever you want to call this condition- I know it is a combination of bacterial and fungal.

I won't elaborate- done enough of that here.....

The only time that my bones quit hurting is when I take anti-fungals. Diflucan OR antibiotics. They don't seem to care either way....

I was reading about fungal infections that get into the bone and wondering if that is what I have?

In any case, I hope that info helps you.

As TCM states- the herbals are very helpful. I have a whole list that I take daily.

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