Can anyone help me?-Info needed

[posey]

I wouldn't know where to begin looking so I'm appealing to anyone who may have legitimate article links which document the special type of microscopes, technology, or anything and whatever else is used and needed to detect and confirm the actual specific parts of "M". Meaning fibers- goo -etc.

Thank you so much in advance. I deeply appreciate any information anyone can give me.

posey

[Sadsack]

Posey -

I've posted on this several times, but I have found the Eyeclops a valuable tool.

Wait till you see this excerpt from a site I found:

"One of the things we found out rather quickly is that there are strange fibers all over the place. You probably don't think that you have any little fibers on your hand right now, but you probably do.
You can't spot them, but the folks down at the crime lab can, and the eyeclops can.
Here is a red one, stuck to one of my eyebrow lashes. I realize it looks like a curious little worm, inching his way towards unibrow canyon, but it isn't moving. Boy, that would have been creepy.
It is just a dead little fiber, stuck to a single lash."

Introducing the Eyeclops: Super Magnifying Camera - Cockeyed Science Club

SS

[posey]

thanks SS, but I need the info for a Clinical Microbiologist Professor.

I can't remember where I read about the special microscopic equipment needed in working with "M".

[hurtin1]

I think your talking about a scanning electron microscope,,,,
(quote)
Citovsky’s team took scanning electron microscope(micrograph) pictures of the fibres in or extruding from the skin of patients suffering from Morgellons disease, confirming that they are unlike any ordinary natural or synthetic fibres

DISEASE IMAGES FROM AN ELECTRON MICROSCOPE; 1200x magnification of fiber growing ... With Morgellons disease, there are two important aspects that must be

Types(explanation)
Microbiology: Types of Microscopes - CliffsNotes


Maybe the link your looking for????
Morgellons Research at Suny

[posey]

hurtin1, this should be what I need..

You know how it is when you even mention that you found information while doing research on the internet. Every Dr. and Nurse, without fail, always says, "You can't believe everything you read on the internet". I sometimes want to ask if I look that stupid.

What they do not undestand is that there are a lot of intelligent forums such as MDR, [intelligent because they are made that way by the menbers and owner(s)] where people list documented information, medical journals, etc. Research involves getting information from more than one source and MDR is an excellent source to collect information from which others have shared here.

I have often wondered if any professional researchers, microbiologists, institutions, etc. ever come here to gather up the wealth of information which intelligent members have contributed. If they did, and if they used the info. in the manner we all need and desire, they just might get a handle on what "M" is. But NO, they think people come to a forum to find out what it is and then claim they have it. All 1000s and 1000s of us.


I don't know about anyne else, but, I have nothing else to do today so I am going to travel the WWW to see what else I can find and have. I love having things which turn my life upside down and inside out. I love being upset, bummed, etc. Seems there's alot of contadiction in those last 2 sentences hey?

I can't understand how people who studied for 10-12-+ years can be so narrow minded. I wonder if degrees actually close up some peoples minds. Once they graduate, that's it. All done, can't add to anything learned, and the lay people are all stupid and nonsensical. definetely needed, and not for lay people.

[Sadsack]

Posey -

Sorry; I thought it was for you. This statement from Dr. Wymore on 7/21/09 might shed some light on the processes involved and the difficulties as well. The second (bolded) paragraph deals with examination of Morgellons materials:

Morgellons is a condition which has an array of unusual symptoms. The sufferer often has skin lesions which heal very slowly and both the lesions and non

‐lesioned skin are associated with fibers and other material which seems to be shed from the skin. The skin symptoms are usually associated with intense itching as well as burning and stinging sensations. Many with Morgellons experience intense episodes of fatigue along neurological effects that usually fluctuate in intensity in an unpredictable fashion. The neurological effects can include tremors, peripheral neuropathy, difficulty in focusing thoughts and behavioral changes. Since there are no commonly characterized diseases or disorders that match these symptoms, many with Morgellons have been mislabeled as having a purely psychiatric disorder. This misdiagnosis has caused much needless suffering within the Morgellons community and is unnecessary as a careful skin examination can usually determine whether or not a person has Morgellons. A clinical dermatoscope can be utilized to visualize fibers in the skin. In addition, fiber masses under the unbroken, superficial skin have been observed in every Morgellons patient examined by OSU‐CHS clinical faculty. Thus far, only individuals claiming to have Morgellons have been observed to have such fiber masses within areas of otherwise normal appearing skin. To date we still do not know the cause of Morgellons or a definitive treatment plan.
At Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences (OSU‐CHS), our approach has been to: 1) characterize the physical properties of the fibers by microscopic and spectroscopic analyses, 2) culture bacteria and fungi associated with Morgellons samples, and 3) sequence DNA associated with the samples. This last approach is in an effort to identify any unusual microorganisms or parasites that might be present. Large donations are funding analysis of the fibers, which we are hiring commercial materials analysis laboratories to perform, as well as some electron microscopy at the main OSU campus. These large donations will also fund a significant part of a DNA analysis technique known as ‘shotgun sequencing’. The problem with standard DNA amplification and sequencing, which we do in‐house, is that it is time consuming and every single sample must be prepared individually. Plus we cannot effectively look for ‘unknowns’; that is to say we can only look for things we are expecting to find. With shotgun sequencing there need not be any pre‐bias; the process will generate thousands of fragments of DNA sequence that can then be analyzed. This will include human DNA fragments, from the host, as well as bacteria and fungi we would commonly expect to find. The hope is that in addition
to the many species of microorganisms that live in and on us all, an unexpected parasitic or microbial DNA sequence will also emerge. Once we have a clue to follow, it will be possible to look for that microorganism or parasite in other Morgellons sufferers.
As is often the case in science, things take much longer than an educated guess might expect. It had been hoped that preliminary results from the microscopy and spectroscopy analyses would have been done 2‐3 months ago. Unexpected difficulty has arisen with the processing, handling and shipping of the fibers. Even the commercial laboratories have been less than successful at helping us work through these problems. Simply put, the fibers have to be ‘preprocessed’ for much of the testing, and even for those tests not needing preprocessing, the labs want either dozens of identical copies of the material, or a single sample that is immobilized for shipping and yet accessible for analysis. These have proven to be unexpectedly challenging tasks. Still, progress is being made. When a suspect cause has been determined this information will be disseminated to physicians, public health officials and the Morgellons community as quickly as possible.

SS

[Sadsack]

Posey -

The researchers who have used high-end microscopes have been Robert Smith, Mark Darrah, Hildgegarde Staninger, and Randy Wymore.

The equipment they have used is listed in their research. In addition to scanning electron microscope (which only give images of things that are smaller than the best light microscope can give), but techniques such as FTIR (Fourier transform infrared) and Mass Spectroscopy can be used to determine the elemental composition of samples.

SS

[posey]

I understand, I din't clarify just whm I wanted the info for.

I need it for my letter of appeal (begging) to the University Professor I spoke with a few months ago. Actually it is 2 of them.

I don't know if it will do any good, but 2 Universities where I live have Clinical Microbiology Departments and one of the Universities is tied in with Mayo Clinic's Research Dept. which also has students in the program at Univ. do part of there studies there. I'm not sure how it al works.

The mkst I can do is pray and then beg, beg, beg. I intend to lay n their sympathy. I haven't tried that yet. I just need to draft a letter, edit it, and hopefully be able to take some good pics of samples to attach to it and hopefully spark someone's curiosity and sympathy. I don't care if it is a student. If I can just get my foor in the door.

Thanks all for the professional links. I would like to think that someday, with all the inteligence and help people give here it may be of some good for all of us.

I am just so baffled with the integrity of this forum and I'm sure there's many more; why it can't be detected that this is REAL in the sincerest sense of REAL.

[jonsi]

I don't think any "MD" (doctors of medicine) will recognize Morgellons because pharmaceutical medicines do not work on treating us. MD's are masters of pharmaceutical medicines and are controlled by the drugs they prescribe.

This is why the medical/medicine/pharmaceutical/insurance society is trying to take over natural/homeopathic medicine. Check it out: Health Freedom Threats: Codex, FDA, Vaccinations, GMOs :: HealthFreedomUSA.org

Most of us "M" people that are doing better have used natural/homeopathic medicine, organic foods, meditation, lymphatic therapy, kenesiology, traditional chinese medicine, etc...

Please don't beg...they will still call you delusional. Do not mention "Morgellons".

The "M" doesn't have cell walls, you can't pick it up under the microscope and compare it to anything the docs have in any book... therefor they won't recognize it as "real".

Posey, hang in there! We are here for you. This is real, we have gone through it.

In the white light,
~jonsi

[posey]

I have been receiving much of what I need from all the input I am receiving in this thread I began. I believe it will al be a huge help in the letter I construct.

Jonsi, this letter I am going to write is not going to be to an MD. It is for University Of Wisconsin Professors where they have Clinical Microbiology Depts.. It is going to take more than one sitting, possibly more than a week or month to construe this letter because I want it to be as perfect as possible. That is why everyone who is giving me information is contributing to my letter.

I believe I can construct it in a manner which will have impact. I realize whether MD's believe in this "M" or not, they do not have the tools and resources neccessary to do anything about "M". However, I will say that at least my D.O. has ordered the neccessary things to do his own testing and have them sent off to labs. He is going to begin soon and I believe at my next appt. at the end of this month he will have everything in order.

I think I have mentioned before that he does not work for anyone. He is totally self-employed and this I have found is a HUGE difference in Drs. He has no "higher uppers" in a clinical setting to answer to. He is his own boss and does not have to depend upon colleagues for his year end bonus or raise.

I do not know if this letter I am going to write will do any good but I KNOW it won't if I don't write one and certainly won't if I do not ask for God's help.

So, with that said, keep any info coming. If anything comes of my most sincere letter, I will respectfully give credit to where I have learned what I have learned. This is impossible to do now. Only until/if I do draw the attention of one of the Universities within 10 mies of me would I be able to introduce them to MDR. We all know how it would be misconstrued now; if I even mentioned "forum", simply because one can not believe eveything they read on the net. However, there are us who know how to decipher the difference.