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Old December 12th, 2009, 02:54 AM
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Nematode Symbiont for Photorhabdus asymbiotica, Figure 2 | CDC EID

This is so exciting! It is validating to all I've been going through (and all of us) - The CDC has identified a NEW STRAIN of bacteria - they are having to do a new classification of the taxonomy -

Photorhabdus Asymbiotica is so-named because when the microbiologist (from Australia - thank you Aussies!) found it there was not yet a symbiant nematode associated with it, and that was atypical of this bacterial strain. All forms of Photorhabdus are in partnership with a certain type of nematode, named Heterorhabditis.

The CDC has identified the NEMATODE ASSOCIATED WITH THE EMERGING BACTERIAL INFECTION, PHOTORHABDUS ASYMBIOTICA (which they admit now is a misnomer, as it IS identified with a specific nematode, namely Heterorhabditis Indica).

I believe this could be the breakthrough. Of course the connection between Morgellons and this newly emerging bacteria and nematode combination will have to be made.

If only we can get microbiologists to test our wounds for this bacteria, which this link describes how to test for it and why the testing for this bacteria is SO OFTEN MISSED.

Take note where this article says "there is most likely an UNIDENTIFIED INVERTEBRATE VECTOR" - this invertebrate has NOW BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE CDC AS HETERORHABDITIS.

... "if a microbiologist fails to consider morphological
characteristics in addition to commercial gram-negative rod
identification results. Failure of clinical laboratories to identify
Photorhabdus is understandable, as this organism does not
appear in the databases of the MicroScan or Vitek automated
systems or other manual bioMe´rieux products. In this case, a
microbiologist (R. Kern, Katy, TX) questioned why the wound
and blood isolates, which morphologically looked the same,
were identified as two different organisms on the WalkAway
system.

Key reactions for the identification
of this organism include yellow pigment, nitrate not reduced
to nitrite (unlike most other Enterobacteriaceae), annular
hemolysis, swarming, and weak bioluminescence. The
misidentifications in Table 2 point out how important it is for
a competent technologist to critically review data from a rapid
system. Interestingly, the same colonial morphotypes (e.g.,
wound isolate no. 1 and blood isolate no. 1) gave different
results, indicating no consistency in the rapid-system results. It
seems preferable to get no identification (API 20E) or an
unacceptable identification (BBL Crystal) rather than the
wrong answer. It may also be prudent to inoculate triple-sugar
iron agar to determine an isolate’s ability to ferment versus
oxidize glucose. The failure of rapid systems to elucidate this
critical reaction in most cases was a key factor in the misidentification,
as was failure to include an oxidase test. The New
York State Department of Health Clinical Bacteriology Laboratory correctly identified a 100% match of Photorhabdus Asymbiotica by 165 rRNA sequencing using the GenBank Databank.

Photorhabdus (formerly Xenorhabdus) (2) was first described
in the United States by Farmer et al. in 1989 (1). They described
six cases, including four in San Antonio, Texas. Since
our isolate is from Houston, Texas, and since Texas isolates
represent 50% of cases worldwide, it makes sense that infection
due to this species (especially in the Southwest) is probably
underreported due to incorrect laboratory identification.
The two isolates described here are only the 13th and 14th
recovered worldwide. Patients usually present with either localized
soft tissue infection or disseminated bacteremic infection,
sometimes with spread to multiple skin/soft tissue sites (3,
4, 5). Although many patients report an antecedent spider bite,
an actual bite cannot be proven in most cases. Thus, the source
of human infection remains unknown, although it seems likely
that there is an unidentified invertebrate vector, since Photorhabdus
spp. colonize the guts of nematodes pathogenic for insects and human infection with P. asymbiotica is associated
with outdoor activity. Some patients are diabetics, and some
are on steroids; most have a history of working outdoors,
especially during warm, rainy months...

These cases, taken together, point out the importance of
microbiologists who are alert enough to question organism
identification and susceptibility results from commonly used
automated systems. It is incumbent on all manufacturers of
miniaturized or automated gram-negative rod systems to review
their databases frequently to prevent these types of errors.
P. asymbiotica should be added to the respective databases as
soon as possible."

from Journal of Clinical Microbiology, August 2005.

http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/reprint/43/8/4152.pdf

Tell me that this pattern doesn't sound like Morgellons? Get bit by something or work outdoors, skin absesses, etc., lab tests always coming back negative for bacteria (or anything else) - why? because of automated tests not considering all vectors, sores that start out in one place and MIGRATE to other sites, fever, fatigue...

Am I the only one that thinks that this IS MORGELLONS??

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Old December 12th, 2009, 03:27 AM
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There are so many things that invade us, there are so many symptom disease's, this may be one of the big or small ones, it COULD be the route cause. What we think really has little bearing,although alot of us have done wonders beating this back a bit naturally. Lets hope this is the answer! Then again is it just another reason for some more symptom drugs.
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Old December 12th, 2009, 03:33 AM
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I wonder how many labs have introduced the updated testing protocol. The two links I noticed here are dated 2005 and 2006. I wonder if they are not testing properly or if M is yet a different variety of atypical nematode.

(I know in my case I SEE the nematodes every day!! It's something all right. Most likely a regular worm, most weirdly a worm-bot creation.)
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Old December 12th, 2009, 04:13 AM
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just wanted to let you guys see a couple comparison shots of this Heterorhabditis Indica and some of the "things" I've removed - kinda interesting - I'm not totally convinced but sure does look similarheterorhabditis indica.jpg

goo6.jpg

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Old December 12th, 2009, 05:52 AM
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Have you EVER seen a demodex mite in your eyelash hole, they are there, and so small you can.t really see them.

If you put them under my microscope at 100 X they are huge ugly writing MONSTERS.

This little tiny fellow is at about 150 to 200 he was literally IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND, but I caught the movement LUCKILY. The fiber thing that this little tiny worm thing is in, that is most likely somthing that it killed or its caseing for birth. Watch REALLY closely and you will see it in the middle of the fiber moving up and down, the heat of the lamp should have baked it but good, it did not. The fiber thing with the hitchiker came out in my urine. There are many of these husk like things in the urine, BUT no worms, have they left the cacoon and invaded other parts of the body. I should have rinsed it off the slide and into a deep cup with a bit of moisture and suger and see if a flying insect or worm grew out of it. There was a super weird bug crawling around in my tub one day, it was a tiny brightly colored worm with a almost cartoon like head, big eyes, antenni like a snail. In fact it probably was a snail, BUT it had built a shell out of black and white specks.That one I should have also fed to see what it turned into, but alas I smashed him while trying to get the covering off he had built. This thing was the size of a ant.

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I agree with the others that there are many possibles to the how and why of Morgellons Disease. However, I looked at the resouces this paper cited and I found them VERY interesting. Namely TWO.

The first talks of a bacterial pathogen. " P. luminescens and P. temperata form a symbiotic relationship with nematodes that infect insects"

Here is the short paper- Human infection with Photorhabdus asymbiotica: an emerging bacterial pathogen:
Human infection with Photorhabdus asymbiotica: an ... [Microbes Infect. 2004] - PubMed result .

The second paper states- "Three of the five strains were from patients in San Antonio, Tex."

Here is the second short paper- Xenorhabdus luminescens (DNA hybridization group 5) from human clinical specimens:
Xenorhabdus luminescens (DNA hybridization group 5... [J Clin Microbiol. 1989] - PubMed result .

Note also from the second paper this "Two case histories of strains from wounds are given; these suggest that X. luminescens DNA hybridization group 5 may be a new bacterial agent that causes wound infections. The two cases of wound infection, along with the two blood isolates, suggest that the new organism is clinically significant."

I have seen many things posted on this board but FEW that tie in pathogens, insects, the blood and wound just like it does with US. That it infects humans. I will do a reply in a bit regarding some facts I DO know regarding Morgellons disease you may find interesting as this is the third time I have lost my post and it is frustrating.

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One thing I DO know is that San Antonio IS a hotspot for Morgellons Disease. Dr. Harvey of the MRF had his former practice there before he treated ME. He stated in The Washington Post newspaper article that we were infected with several closely related species of mutant nematodes (no doubt he was laughed at).

He also said in an a letter that he and a research team were DNA sequencing these nematodes and this paper on this very board was posted by Bubba long ago. To my knowledge this paper has not been published as of yet. I beg to wonder if we have a possible match?

Also over two years ago I overheard an important conversation with an assistant of Dr. Harvey's and the head person at the pharmacy next door to my old clinic. He the pharmacy person asked what should they tell the people they ordered ivermectin from WHAT we had. The assistant said that we had several species of closely related species of mutant nematodes.

Could this "goo" Barack has discovered be related to this pathogen? Apparently there IS a way to detect these nematodes: "The key reactions for recognizing this new organism are yellow pigment production, negative test for nitrate reduction to nitrite, weak bioluminescence (10 to 15 min of dark adaptation is required to see the weak light produced), and a unique hemolytic reaction on sheep blood agar plates incubated at 25 degrees C."

So DO we have a winner?!? Possibly we do not know as we are not scientists. However I have to say we have a suspect which we should put in the lineup.
Pathogens, insects, nematodes, and humans, OH MY! It even is bioluminescent. I wonder if any of this is associated with black specks or fibers. Perhaps THEN we might know more.

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This is also interesting: Photorhabdus luminescens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .
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Old December 12th, 2009, 09:01 AM
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That second picture looks just like my biting fiber I videoed..
I found a couple good Nematode videos


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Photorhabdus asymbiotica, a Pathogen Emerging on Two Continents That Proves that There Is No Substitute for a Well-Trained Clinical Microbiologist :

Photorhabdus asymbiotica, a Pathogen Emerging on Two Continents That Proves that There Is No Substitute for a Well-Trained Clinical Microbiologist -- Weissfeld et al. 43 (: 4152 -- Journal of Clinical Microbiology .

Here is an image of it:
Nematode Symbiont for Photorhabdus asymbiotica, Figure 1 | CDC EID .


Here are some more images and information:
Department of Biology & Biochemistry - University of Bath .

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