Cdc Identifies Nematode!

[sarothra]

Ok, so I have thought maybe this was the nematode associated with the new human pathogen, photorhabdus asymbiotica.

Why doesn't the organism in the pictures I have taken look like a nematode. The organism I see is the same as dragonfly's.

Can anyone find a nematode that has a "head" bigger than it's body, like my pic below? I haven't been able to...I might have to discard my nematode theory and open up again to any possibility.

I wouldn't care what it is except that the treatment is going to depend on what it is. If it is a parasitic wasp, this is virgin ground medically. As far as I know, there is no human precedent for parasitic wasp infections in humans. (or other mammals??)

Of course there was no human precedent for photorhabdus bacteria in humans until recently - but here it is. A nematode which only attacked BUGS now attacks us!

This really is HUGE! But the CDC isn't connecting the dots.

But if it IS this nematode/bacteria combo (with the fungus and agrobacteria, baclovirus attached, among other pathogens) - WHY don't they get a CLUE?

BUT...why does the form on my skin have a head so much bigger than it's body? It still could be a nematode hermaphrodite or female. I don't really know what the reproductive body of the nematode in quesiton looks like, especially if they have genetically modified it.

I do believe the larva performs matricide, the eating of the body of the reproductive organism. In other words, the female or hermaphrodite lays eggs, then when the eggs hatch, they start to consume the body of the "mother" worm. I think that's why the "stuff" we get out of lesions just keeps coming and coming, because the whole 3 inches of the organism is filled with larva. When we put a caustic substance on it, the larva disintegrates into the yellow goo and starts to leave our bodies.

As Barack has said, we then are sending this whole thing back to he** where it belongs.

But just because a nematode is plausible or possible doesn't mean it's the truth. Truth is, as we know, stranger than fiction. Could it be a fly? Maybe. Could it be a wasp? Maybe.

If this is indeed a wasp, no wonder the itching is so tormenting. I am allergic to bees and hymenoptera (wasps, hornets). No wonder it's driving me crazy, and Benedryl does help, so there does seem to be a histamine involved as part of our immune system reaction.

[tcmgpt13]

I honestly never saw the nematode that was between my toes (broke open the skin it was so large). I could only see the top of these critters. However these worms were round, very large (about a quarter inch across). I thought whatever it was fed smaller critters which seemed to spread out from it. I used some black cancer salve and over time I got whatever it was out. Very, very painful too as when I treated it I had a hard time walking. Sometimes I thought it was the guinea worm type nematodes that Harvey described in some of his patients. It is all so hard to know exactly what any of it is without someone well trained in this field to look at these creatures when we have fresh specimens. This is why I think most of us would have a better chance of having what we see identified if we lived in a third world country like Brazil.

I had something else in my leg which was the weirdest thing I have seen. I uncovered this parasite which went into the bone. It had about five or six long tubes attached together at the bottom, each of which would have something come out of it which looked like egg shapes, very small but visible. Maybe it was carrying larvae. The parasite and egg shapes looked light beige in color. Very, very strange...I could not kill this despite using the salves. Eventually I let it heal over. I have not noticed any activity since. So who knows? Anytime the skin opened like this there was a light black line which seemed to accompany the uncovered parasites. I also used to see black lines when I was first sick close to the surface of the skin on the trunk.

Whatever this is does seem to need very strong treatment to control it. I do believe the internal herbal treatments I am using are helping to reduce symptoms of emerging lesions. How long these herbs will continue to help I don't know. I am very glad though to have found them as I believe that day by day I am losing more of these unwanted guests.

[Doc Holliday]

Originally Posted by sarothra

Ok, so I have thought maybe this was the nematode associated with the new human pathogen, photorhabdus asymbiotica.

Why doesn't the organism in the pictures I have taken look like a nematode. The organism I see is the same as dragonfly's.

Can anyone find a nematode that has a "head" bigger than it's body, like my pic below? I haven't been able to...I might have to discard my nematode theory and open up again to any possibility.

I wouldn't care what it is except that the treatment is going to depend on what it is. If it is a parasitic wasp, this is virgin ground medically. As far as I know, there is no human precedent for parasitic wasp infections in humans. (or other mammals??)>>>>>>a verity of worms can infect humans,....you can also get them from animal's,......or like hookworm,...if ya step in animal poop,..w/bare feet yip ya can get hookworm.

Of course there was no human precedent for photorhabdus bacteria in humans until recently - but here it is. A nematode which only attacked BUGS now attacks us!

This really is HUGE! But the CDC isn't connecting the dots.

But if it IS this nematode/bacteria combo (with the fungus and agrobacteria, baclovirus attached, among other pathogens) - WHY don't they get a CLUE?

BUT...why does the form on my skin have a head so much bigger than it's body? It still could be a nematode hermaphrodite or female. I don't really know what the reproductive body of the nematode in quesiton looks like, especially if they have genetically modified it.

I do believe the larva performs matricide, the eating of the body of the reproductive organism. In other words, the female or hermaphrodite lays eggs, then when the eggs hatch, they start to consume the body of the "mother" worm. I think that's why the "stuff" we get out of lesions just keeps coming and coming, because the whole 3 inches of the organism is filled with larva. When we put a caustic substance on it, the larva disintegrates into the yellow goo and starts to leave our bodies.

As Barack has said, we then are sending this whole thing back to he** where it belongs.

But just because a nematode is plausible or possible doesn't mean it's the truth. Truth is, as we know, stranger than fiction. Could it be a fly? Maybe. Could it be a wasp? Maybe.

If this is indeed a wasp, no wonder the itching is so tormenting. I am allergic to bees and hymenoptera (wasps, hornets). No wonder it's driving me crazy, and Benedryl does help, so there does seem to be a histamine involved as part of our immune system reaction.

>>>>>Saroth. ya at one time after takingn ivermectin,.....I felt a tickle near my right eye,....went to the bathroom to ck it out,...and right between my eye & nose,...was a very white worm stuck on my skin, sticking straight out,....keeping it's body away from my skin.,......the head was all mouth,..... w/black raspy sucker like mouth,.. kinda like a cookie cutter ...was almost 1/2 inc. long by 1/4 inc wide,....and tapered to the tail,...like I said! very white,.....never had a soar like that tho. when I first got morgs. I developed a constant lesion on my bottom lip,.. on top of the lip pad....after 3 & 1/2 years it healed,....but then I noticed a lump inside of my bottom lip,.....told my Doctor,...and he said oh ya their is a lunmp,...but did nothing,......after a month or so it went away,.....but one day I felt something in my lip,...so I ran my tung along my lip,.....and I could feel segments like a worm,......freaked out,.....went to the Doctor,. but they did nothing cause I was a DOP....it got bigger and smooth,.....it moved to the conner on my lip,...and created a fleshy tube like structure,....from my lip,...along the cheek line inside my mouth,......to my ear,...and their are no Doctors that will help me,......so I just had to learn to live w/it,......not easy seeing that the skin in my mouth has become thinker,....aside of that tube structure,.....that's the best way I can explain it. Sincerely: Doc ....................... P.S. was going to post it soon,.....but I caught some flack before,...so I've been silent

[tcmgpt13]

I was just thinking about Wildflower this afternoon and was reading the few posts she made here. How many of us have seen artifacts like these she posted on this thread? Keep in mind, while viewing these photos, that Wildflower's last post mentioned that she had just been diagnosed with Chagas. When I look at these pictures I wonder why we are not being tested for this disease and other recently introduced parasitic diseases which are now in the US. Both New World leishmania (chagas) and Old World leishmania are now more widely spread than I am sure anyone in government would like to admit. Certainly I am sure they do not want the cost of treating them in a large group of people.

Here's a link to Wildflower's post where she discusses her recent diagnosis. I hope she will let us know how she is doing and how her treatment is progressing. I am always glad to know that some are receiving the care that is so urgently needed for those with Morgellons symptoms. While we may not all have the same issues in the background we certainly are all suffering with some type of skin issues. I think leaving thoughts that this could be leishmania for some of us could be helpful, even on a thread which discusses nematodes:

What's up with Chagas Blood Donor testing? (permalink 14)

Well, not exactly about nematodes, but these pictures have made me think that we need to keep an open mind about what we are seeing. It may not be at all what we think it is, even when viewed with a microscope. Or if large enough, with the eyes themselves.

Originally Posted by Wildflower

just wanted to let you guys see a couple comparison shots of this Heterorhabditis Indica and some of the "things" I've removed - kinda interesting - I'm not totally convinced but sure does look similarAttachment 2478

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[Jo]

One of the sources of the comparison photos with Heterorhabditis Indica, I think comes from here:
MORPHOLOGY OF BURSA OF HETERORHABDITIS SPP

If so, they are tiny. The bar labelled on 'C1' in the link is 20 microns. That's not visible to the eye. I wonder if H. Indica can survive in 35-37 degree human body - most 'beneficial nematodes' cannot (apparently).

[tcmgpt13]

Well, I am sure that it is probable that unless those nematodes have changed dramatically (always possible too) that they are not meant to survive in the body. Yet I think it is the photos of what Wildflower saw in her skin which should have us thinking. Maybe what we think we have is not what we have at all. I do not know how or where we will get enough testing to rule in or out certain parasitic diseases, but I think we need to keep an open mind that what we think we might have may not be what we have at all. I think we need to remember that different members have been diagnosed with different diseases. Cd3girls had the cutaneous form of lupus. Others have had MRSA. This may all be a background to Morgellons but it's important to know what we have which can be identified. Now Wildflower has a diagnosis of Chagas. We know of at least one lady who died of cancer. Some have had herpes infections of one sort or another. None these appear to be the common link, but all are fairly serious diseases. So I think it is important to keep an open mind about it and to acknowledge that what we think we have may not be what we have at all.

Originally Posted by Jo

One of the sources of the comparison photos with Heterorhabditis Indica, I think comes from here:
MORPHOLOGY OF BURSA OF HETERORHABDITIS SPP

If so, they are tiny. The bar labelled on 'C1' in the link is 20 microns. That's not visible to the eye. I wonder if H. Indica can survive in 35-37 degree human body - most 'beneficial nematodes' cannot (apparently).

[Robin]

Yes definitely is whats going on sorry but i do know after dealing with it and removing it for the last three years i have learned alot! i;m not trying to sound like a know it all but i have figured out alot not even realizing i would.Think about this different nematodes carry different strains of bacteria but they also carry different diseases so depending what part of the world you live in just could possibly be part of the different variations of this disease
Also the beneficial nematodes are also imported from 50 different states.tell me thats not asking for trouble introducing foreign parasites in all the states!!
its just plain insanity!! TCM Sue Bee was the woman who lost her life from this i remember her posting pics of her hair falling out from chemo and it was loaded with all types of bugs it was the samr type of bugs that reside inthe soil!
Robinxo

[tcmgpt13]

Hi Robin,

I am trying to keep an open mind about what we all have. That's why I said it was possible beneficial nematodes could be tied in although it is less probable in some ways to think that, given that they are allegedly unable to survive in man. After all there are nematodes which are known to parasitize man already who could also be candidates. And most parasites of whatever type seem to carry along bacterial or fungal issues with them as well. So without a positive I.D. from an expert we cannot positively identify beneficial nematodes as our common thread, not unless Sue Law had her parasites identified by someone qualified to identify them as beneficial nematodes. Do you know if she did?

Lesions of the skin have so many possible origins. To me it is becoming quite clear that we will not all have the same Rx for our background symptoms, just from listening to what folks say they have received as a diagnosis. It is the common thread issue that we all must have that I have no idea about, not really. I think to verbalize where I am would be to echo Dr. Karsten Nicholas who attended the latest Morgellons Conference said: "It's an unknown parasite, in my opinion."

So while I can see many sides to how all of us view Morgellons and agree that many issues could be involved (like different background diseases and different parasites) I think that the unknown parasite is the mystery. I believe that unknown mystery (maybe not even a parasite) will someday be found if enough people open their eyes and start to see (do you suppose those parasites are effecting their vision too? LOL). Of course I could also be wrong, but I will be happy to be wrong and to know that we have an provable answer at last. And hopefully a cure at some point as well.

tcm

[sammy]

Tcm, I would like too know of the ones who have been tested for lyme did there first test fail to detect this. and was it the overnight test only done by several doctors who finally showed a positive. I noticed in the paper work I received from Ginger Savely that the blood work she requests is quite extensive. none of them are listed on lab corp she explains they have too be written in. sammy

[tcmgpt13]

I know that the doctor who diagnosed my lyme used Lab Corp and Igenex both to do lyme tests. I do not think he wrote in anything extra on the Lab Corp slip, but whatever lyme test Lab Corp uses did reveal an older case of lyme. Of course the Igenex testing said the same thing. For some reason he did not send me the results on the babesia testing and this is something I still wonder about. I should ask if it's possible to run that test alone as that is a blood parasite. First I would need a doctor who will use Igenex for the testing. I do not think Lab Corp is reliable in many areas. It's been so long now since I was tested by Igenex and I just noticed that page of the report was missing, so I am sure the lab would no longer have a record of it. As for the doctor, I know he wouldn't either. The doctor I saw was not one I wanted to continue with as he had advertised he worked with Morg patients but when I got there all he wanted to talk about was mold, having the house tested for mold, and the Shoemaker protocol (not saying any of it is not a part of the picture). This when I had an active lesion with some very peculiar and visible parasites. Of course the no look, no see policy was in effect. It took me three years to go to another doctor after that. Anyway...we all have those stories.