Carnicom findings examined

[Nickthebuilder]

I really wish that at this point, there was some standard of logic that followed with the "research" that is conducted by the individuals on these boards.

I'm not bashing anyone personally or trying to talk down their attempts, any attempt is better than nonw, but I'm going to make a blunt statement in that many of these people claiming to have experience in fields related to the identification of "morgellons" aren't following a logical and rational scientific process, period. And further what has transpired with the twists and spins that have been put to the new information presented by Mr.Carnicom is just pure nonsense. I still stand to be one of the few people with the constants of the original morgellons skin lesions characteristics, that is cured. Mr.Carnicom has made several mentions of wanting to talk to me personally about my findings, but has not followed through. I am still open to discussions with him, but I don't think at this point that he sees the importance of collaboration between two scientific minded individuals. I am willing to give credit to anyone who has used checks and balances in their research, but 99% of the assumptions I read on boards displays exactly opposite of that. I won't go as far as saying who is doing this intentionally but from my viewpoint it seems undeniably obvious that intelligent individuals with credentials are talking babble and nothing more.

Enough for my preamble. I don't post anywhere very often anymore, but I am going to offer my insight into what Mr.Carnicom might be viewing. It's too bad that I couldn't discuss this with him personally but that is trivial at this point and as I said, he doesn't seem to see that my insight may just be the side of things that he can't add together. But his research is most important, because even he was careful only to document what he observed and to then write what could have made this process possible in his adverse conditions. There are several factors about how he came to this odd observation that concern me, like the process with the hydroxides, but I'm going to assume that a man who lists 140+ government agencies on his personal compilation of note worthy viewers, isn't easily scared into submission and the spread of misinformation. To be completely honest, what unraveled in my mind after reading this new information and viewing the images, led me to 1) question his intent heavily, 2) assume he wasn't out to spread misinformation due my previous mentions of his solidity, and then to 3) form any plausible hypothesis on what seems like an imposible observation.

Here is my hypothesis, I hope that someone out there with like minded brain function can see how this is in all probability, one of the very few possible scenarios that could lead to the materialization of Red Blood Cells.

First, I don't give credit to whomever set this "fungal" issue (the confirmed spore like radical) loose, to have included genetic material that would transfer genes on a whole system level, in this case, transforming a majority of all stem cells. Secondly, I don't think that it's a coincidence that the red blood cells are the main directly affected internal component of morgellons, yet these manufactured RBC's are unaffected by these spore radicals, even with his images of these new cells containing or being nearby these spores. And Thirdly, if 99% of our genetics at a stem cell level were compromised, and genetic mutation was a secondary effect of an initial seen or unseen skin or lung infection, then the people that submitted these samples would surely be ravaged by every skin and fatigue symptom known as "morgellons". But they aren't, and he makes specific mention of this, that all individuals tested don't have skin symptoms, or for the issue, any notable symptoms. If you follow the same unbiased scientific mindset as myself at this point, then you could only be thinking one dominant thought. Mass change or in this case, mass infection = the opportunity for evolution to occur. And as seen in some instances in history, rather quickly and forcefully by indescribable forces of energy, the only force of energy on earth, the sun.

The Red Blood Cell is much simpler than what you would think of a "cell" as being. It's actually less complex than most cells in nature, lacking internal organelles and only serving a very simple function, to store and deliver oxygen. They don't even retain their own DNA, they are literally just organic machines in every sense of the term. The mutation of the red blood cell and the enzymes that they exchange with are pivotal in any complex form of life, especially in mammals, and obviously in humans. It's what gives us endurance, and allows us to exist in environments that aren't ideal for the rather simple task or using oxygen to sustain life. The evolution of the blood cell would depend on an exchange in Mitochondrial DNA, which is not ironically located inside of stem cells, and is the direct mechanism proven to be the sole player in any form of biological evolution. This stem cell connection was assumed by Mr.Carnicom, as having something to do with these "artificial RBC's", and I just don't think the light bulb went off in hi head as to what he might have witnessed. Literally, a stumble upon facilitated, controlled evolution in a test tube. Morgellons and pollution elevates alkalinity, the global temperature is rising as the core heats, these factors combined would without question lead to the rapid degeneration of individuals with morgellons. So either those variables occur and we all suffer, or the intelligent design that has saved us in the past is resurfacing.

I'd love to hear some feedback. Please, no talk about "ufo specs" or random novel bacteria of the week on this thread

-Nick

[jonsi]

Nick,

How long have you had Morgellons? Are you new to this site (only posting 16 threads,,,)? What other sites do you participate in?

Give us your data and photos. I hope you have something that mags 7,000 X.

Clifford Carnicom has never posted anything on this board. What us members post are interpretations and copy/paste from his site Aerosol Crimes

You wrote: "he doesn't seem to see that my insight may just be the side of things that he can't add together. " and, "Mr.Carnicom has made several mentions of wanting to talk to me personally about my findings, but has not followed through."

Ok Nick, give him time. If he is interested in you hypothesis (can you please clarify that for me in a concise form?) I believe he will get back to you.

Please give him some time. He does not talk babble. Perhaps you are po'd because he is getting more attention than you. Who are you????? List your name and your findings.

Thanks,
~jonsi

[carla]

I don't think it matters what it is .It is obviously an attack on our immune systems and the Government is keeping it covered up.
Whats important is how we get well again.

[Markthebuilder]

Standard of logic?

Nick, I think we are doomed. this forum was one of only a few I Had hoped would provide organized usefull information. It turned out to be a group think sewing circle. The thread regarding chitin was, in my observation deliberately brought off topic. There are sick people looking for answers and are frustrated because a usefull topic is slashed by a select few who think their "post count" gives them the right. They are either arrogant as hell and mired in self pitty, or they are a plant from the organization that distributed this (the elite) and are determined to keep us off focus.

Why won't the few who do this time and time again in almost EVERY THREAD let the information run it's course so the new sufferer doesn't have to wade through three pages of dribble? What the hell is so hard about starting a NEW thread to complain about their sufferings?

If the mods can't keep this hen house in order, It will go the way of the other M boards that lay dormant for the same reasonings.

There are just not many left providing clear temporary solutions.

FLAME AWAY

[Nickthebuilder]

Jonsi, I have posted under the same SN on lymebusters and if you wan't to read about my history, it's all there. That is if they don't pull it from the board considering I was banned for simply bringing up obvious exclusions in the administration posted MRF case study. And your childish comment about wanting more attention than Mr.Carnicom? I'm not here for attention, I'm here to simply my opinions and observations. You, Jonsi, seem to be here for attention. Fancy highlighting with tree different colors, making accusations about what my motive is, even putting words like "babble" into my mouth, in reference to a man that I just took an hour worth of writing to credit and justify his observations. All I stated is that the man didn't follow up with me after expressing great interest in certain aspects of my hypothesis and subsequent cure of my skin lesions and understand of the fungal vector involved.

Carla, you must not comprehend my interpretation of Mr.Carnicom's work, either that or you didn't read it at all. Or, like Mark said, you are more interested in sitting there complaining while you knit a scarf and don't pay attention to what's being discussed. My post was about an interpretation of observations that would be very hopeful to the situation, and had nothing to do with a rogue entity spreading more pathogenic fungus in the sky (which I do believe is the cause of the fungal aspect of this). Don't be so negative, and if that's all you bring to a intense and complicated subject, then just don't post on it. Make a thread called "we are all screwed and I love to rant about it". You could post there everyday if you wanted.

Mark, you mirror my thoughts, this has been an issue on every board that I have posted on. I offer my research and others simply start talking about UFO's or their new paraste of the week, or oddly enough, some criticize me for simply trying. One lady from the prior board that I was banned from actually got to the point where she attacked my character after being banned, because, as she said "some of us don't care about a cure, we just want to comfort each other because that's all that matter". Not a bad idea, but why would a group of people that claim to be interested in finding the truth as to why they are sick, be content with slinging jokes around all day and spinning every serious topic into a science fiction book?

I could think of a few reasons..

-Nick

[Nickthebuilder]

To answer your question, like I said before, I don't have morgellons anymore. I treated my skin, head to toe, and rid myself of all lesions and within months the internal symptoms faded. If you want to know how I did this, just google "morgellons chitin" and you are sure to find a thread that I have posted under a "Nickthebuilder" SN on lymebusters, discussing it in great detail. I have basically written a book on these boards about chitin and treatment , but my topic here was on these new observations of the RBC's formation.

-Nick

[Jo]

Nick,

Could you sum up your hypothesis on why RBCs were found in morg filaments?

thanks

Jo

also (wrong thread lol but how many times did you do the barley mix before being cured?)

[tcmgpt13]

Nick and Mark, exactly what do you call your last couple posts here on this thread? Well thought out logical posts? Jonsi is a long time senior member here. She is a supporter of Carnicom and she is entitled to her opinion about him without others getting all over her about it. She asked that you give Carnicom a chance to get back to you, so how about affording her the same courtesy. Give her a chance too. Jonsi likes just about everyone here on MDR and gets along just about all of them too (even though some of us would not give the other the time of day, so she is a fairly laid back person).

And Carla? She is the lone mod here, so how about a little respect for her. There's enough work here for at least one or two additional mods, but she has done this job all by herself for some time now. All I see the two of you doing to both Carla and Jonsi is throwing flames at them. You both are apparently new here so unless you have read a lot of posts, to be calling long time members, especially a mod, names seems a bit too much IMHO. Knitting scarves. Carla? Just shows you don't know anything about her.

Nick, if you are indeed cured and have posted your protocol elsewhere and now have made others here aware of it, how about leaving it there. Relax. Chill. If you are well and you have left a legacy for others to follow then that may be all that is necessary. Maybe you could even write that book about your journey to health and publish it in an e-book or self publish. I am sure folks will try your ideas if they want to and not do so if they do not. People need to decide for themselves. Many here on MDR have posted useful insights into Morgellons and much of what has been posted is also sensible and useful advice. Trying to beat others over the head about one's "truth" seems to be a poor choice.

BTW, having gluten sensitivity means this particular protocol is not one I want to follow (gluten is found in barley and barley malt). If I were totally well I would not be hanging around on Morgellons boards, but I would be off everyday enjoying the world around me. Just imagine, even more energy than I am gaining gradually from the protocol I am following. So you can see how different we all are, even to handling wellness issues. My idea if I were totally well seems to be very different than yours.

I agree I do not like a lot of the fringe thinking (UFO's for one) which seems to follow this disease. It does make one wish for a more mainstream rare disease, but as with much in life we do not get to pick and can only make the best (or worst) of whatever happens to us.

[carla]

If you had ever read any of my post you would know I'm practically free of morgs now.
I'm not all doom and gloom at all.
But I 've read your post at Lymebusters and you are a nasty peice of work .
So BobtheBuilder and your mate go start a blog somewhere and we will let you post a link.

[carla]

To answer your question, like I said before, I don't have morgellons anymore. I treated my skin, head to toe, and rid myself of all lesions and within months the internal symptoms faded.

Yeah Right ! BTW I've never knitted in my life and I think Morgellons still remains in your brain .