Were the beans just fungus? (as per Realitycheck)

[Kritters]

Realitycheck wrote:

This talk of "beans" and "tentacles" is the stuff of myth. Every minute detail that you have described is characteristic of a subdermal fungal condition. Even the pictures on rense.com are exactly what this condition looks like. The "beans" and "tentacles" are what happens when the fungus invades a pore of hair follicle. After the fungus eats the hair and root in the follicle, it rebuilds right away and resides there. You can rip off the callus and you can tweeze til the cows come home, but if you want to end this cycle of craziness, get a tube of nystatin and triamcinolone. Use it BID (twice a day).. You can also get an oral prescription for griseofulvin, terbinafine, and itraconazole, which are are often used to treat this condition. These lesions will be gone within a week or so.

You do not have Morgellons. You have a dermatophyte infection. If it's on your body, it's called tinea corporis If it's on your scalp, it's called tinea capitis. Dermatophytes inhabit the layers of the skin, hair, and nail, which is attractive for its warm, moist environment conducive to fungal proliferation.

Like any fungus,it's pretty contagious. I suffered for two years with this condition until I discovered it was a dermatophyte condition. It's all gone now.


I hope no one minds that I began this thread...Whether or not Chester's beans were actually a fungus, this is a good thread, I think, to explore, don't you all? I actually remember finding pictures of fungus which looked a lot like the beans a few years ago. It could be a fungal component of something as well, if not just fungus.

Kritters

[Steve Frey]

Nancy (chester) was describing a lot more than just fungus in her thread detailing her personal description of a morgellons infection, it is probably the most detailed account of a morgellons lesion in existence. I stand by my original conclusion that in the early days of her thread she was in fact describing in detail a bryozoan colony, but I now believe that this bryozoan colony was actually produced by a sponge. Later in her thread she believed she was describing an Abalone which I have ever reason to believe she was correct considering the nature of my theory, again the Abalone would have been created by a sponge.

[Kritters]

Thanks for your input, Steve.

Any chance you can post your theory or a link to it?

Kritters

[gigi22]

good idea.. this is a great post.

Yes. It is a fungus in my opinion. I read the first few posts from Chester.. and she talked about an orange glow on the skin around the lesions under a UV light. Fungus is supposed to glow orange on the skin under a UV light.

I now realize that a fungal infection is the root of my problems. I did have one lesion with a bean-like root..it was one of the first things I really noticed. It took weeks to heal, and I hit it hard with baking soda/epsom salt, DE, and silver. This fungus is all over my body though.. legs, arms, back, feet, hands, face. It appears as reddened skin, and will get rashy and glow bright red when antifungal is applied. My problems started after several rounds of antibiotics which caused my candida to blossom out of control. Candida is also a fungus. I theorize that at this time, this fungus also took over my body. This wasn't noticeable to me until a lot later... after all of the crawling and biting started, and I started treating my skin...

[Venetia]

Tinea corporis is primarily a disease a children although adults can get it.

Could well be that there are many that have Tinea- but I would say it would be
Tinea Versicolor as opposed to corporis- only because it takes out your hair if you have it in your scalp (Tinea capitis),

Ringworm of the scalp

Ringworm of the scalp:



Ringworm, tinea corporis on the leg




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This is a picture of ringworm (tinea) on the hand and leg. Tinea is a fungal infection of the skin. Ringworm is not seen as frequently in adults as in children, but when conditions are conducive to growth, the fungus can flourish.
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The poster has a good point- about Tinea- whichever type it could be. The treatment methods for the various Tineas are about the same and it take a long time to get rid of so I would imagine that it's a moot point to debate the specifics.

Speaking for myself, while it could well be Tinea- it's more than that. Much more.

The other thing while on the subject of Tinea- I have a spot on my finger with no
color- IOW- it's white like the Tinea. Now I never had a lesion on that finger- I have very few lesions adn none visible- but I do have white 'spots' here and there on my body- mostly on my shoulders/upper arms.

Tinea is a skin infection- what I have is systemic. All parts of my body are affected.

Could be Lyme and the Tinea and a few other things?

Just some random thoughts....

-v-

PS per the poster- Realitycheck- I'd like to lose the 'Morgellons' designation as well.

[Steve Frey]

Originally Posted by Kritters

Thanks for your input, Steve.

Any chance you can post your theory or a link to it?

Kritters

Well the condensed version goes like this, The sponge is well known for co-existing with a very large number of other organisms including bacteria from 16 different phylums, nearly 700 species of fungi, algae, diatoms, flies, crustaceans, dinoflagalents, and a great many others. Science is unable to explain much of what they find regarding the relationships that the sponge has with these other organisms. In addition to these facts the sponge is also known to possess one of the largest and most complex genomes of all animals, it's genome contains genes from all domains of life including a nearly complete set of genes for a human nervous system as well as genes for eyes and many other genes typically found only in vertebrates. With these facts as supporting evidence I am suggesting that the sponge not only co-exists with these other organisms but it is also responsible for producing them. To sum it up I am claiming that the sponge has the ability to copy the genetic code of other organisms through cell to cell contact, to store that genetic code within it's genome, and the ability to then translate that genetic code allowing it to produce replicas or imitations of whatever it has come in contact with over the course of the past 700 million years or so. Given these abilities the sponge has been able to go undetected as a parasite in a wide array of organisms including humans. I believe it has plagued human beings for centuries and is likely responsible for much of what ails us including autoimmune diseases, cancer, and morgellons just to name a few. This is a very, very long story condensed to it's smallest possible form, there is literally an overwhelming amount of evidence to support this claim.

[Venetia]

Steve, I'm sure that you know this:

Bacteria From Sponges Make New Pharmaceuticals


Over half of the bodyweight of living sea sponges -- like this Caribbean pink sponge -- is made up of the many different bacteria that live inside them. (Credit: iStockphoto/Cornelis Opstal)

[Steve Frey]

Originally Posted by Venetia

Steve, I'm sure that you know this:

Bacteria From Sponges Make New Pharmaceuticals




Over half of the bodyweight of living sea sponges -- like this Caribbean pink sponge -- is made up of the many different bacteria that live inside them. (Credit: iStockphoto/Cornelis Opstal)

I may be aware of this article and many like it Venetia but not everyone is so thanks for posting it, Science uses the term symbiosis when describing the sponge's "associated organisms" but in my opinion these organisms that are found living inside sponges are actually products of the sponge, replicas, imitations, knock-offs, however you want to put it. Here is a good one

SPONGE’S SECRET WEAPON RESTORES ANTIBIOTICS’ POWER

I believe that the sponge possesses a chemical that can control antibiotic resistant bacteria because those bacteria are actually products of the sponge, interesting too that antibiotic resistant bacteria are of the "slime producing" type, get it slime=sponge, sure it sounds radical but it all adds up.

[Venetia]

About a month ago- a poster on LB posted about a bone eating worm. Doing a bit
of Googling- I found more info on the subject-

I have been trying to find the sponge/bryozoans mentioned in the same article as the Osedax.

Because the Osedax is a recent find- Moneterey Bay, Cali- there is not much available as yet but from the article below- Science Daily- re: the Whale carcass- the author describes the 200 + animals that live off each whale carcass for decades. I would image that the Osedax, which eats the whales bones, could be found with the sponge?



Osedax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Osedax is a genus of deep-sea siboglinid polychaetes, commonly called zombie or bone-eating worms. Osedax is Latin for "bone-eating", the name alluding to how the worms bore into the bones of whale carcasses to reach enclosed lipids, on which they rely for sustanence. The genus was first discovered in Monterey Bay, California, in February 2002. They were found living in a decaying gray whale in the Monterey Canyon, at a depth of 2,800 m (9,100 feet) using the submarine ROV Tiburon.

Lacking stomach and mouth, Osedax rely on symbiotic species of bacteria to digest whale fat and oils and release nutrients that they can absorb. Osedax have colorful feathery plumes that act as gills, and unusual root-like structures that absorb nutrients. Between 50 and 100 microscopic dwarf males live inside a single female, and never develop past the larval stage.
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Some images:

Osedax - Google Images


Research article citation:

G. W. Rouse, S. K. Goffredi, and R. C. Vrijenhoek, Osedax—bone-eating marine worms with dwarf males. 2004. Science. Vol. 305 #5684 (July 30, 2004).


20 years - Osedax, the bone-eating worms

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MBARI - Whale-fall worm news release


Tam Tam spoke of 'feather-like' components- could the above be the source?

MBARI - Whale-fall worm news release

EMBARGOED: Not for release until Thursday, 29 July 2004 at 14:00 U.S. Eastern Time
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Whale carcass yields bone-devouring worms

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MOSS LANDING—Scientists studying a whale carcass in Monterey Canyon recently announced the discovery of two new species of unique worms that feed on the bones of dead whales. In the July 30 issue of Science, the researchers describe these worms, whose bodies and feeding strategies differ from those of any other known animal. The worms have no eyes, legs, mouths, or stomachs, but they do have colorful feathery plumes and green "roots." They use the roots to infiltrate the bones of dead whales, digesting the fats and oils inside with the help of symbiotic bacteria. Marine biologist Greg Rouse, from the South Australian Museum, worked with scientists Shana Goffredi and Robert Vrijenhoek at the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute (MBARI) to classify the new worms, placing them in a new genus called "Osedax," which is Latin for "bone devourer."



The reason that I mention all the above is this:

Deep Sea Buffet For Bone-devouring Worms

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Dr Goffredi says: "Measures of significant population sizes, and the discovery of four additional host species in only three years, suggests that the Osedax worms and their bacterial 'partners' are likely to play substantial roles in the cycling of nutrients into the surrounding deep-sea community."

[Steve Frey]

This is one I haven't seen yet Venetia but it sure sounds spongey to me, the sponge is known for having the ability to bore into solid substrates such as calcium, there are sponge species that commonly bore into the shells of oysters and other shelled invertebrates, I personally believe that Osteoporosis is yet another illness that is likely caused by the presence of the sponge within the human body as it bores into the bones. I appreciate your interest in this subject, you won't be disappointed while researching the sponge, it's one of the most fascinating organisms on the planet.

Take note of the part about never developing past the larval stage, thats because, IMO, this is not a true independent life form, it is just a sponge taking on a different appearance by incorporating the DNA of another organism or perhaps several organisms into it's offspring.