Were the beans just fungus? (as per Realitycheck)

[Steve Frey]

So were the "beans" just fungus as proposed by the new member Realitycheck? In my opinion, no they were not and in support of my position in this matter is the first post in Nancy's thread dated June 15, 2007.

I am thinking about the design and behavior of the lesion. Thanks for listening. Today i am putting down thoughts and speculations about how this design and behavior functions. I am trying to put words to what i think i see .................................................. ............................so forgive my vocabula-e-ry. I want to further report some observations about removing the lesion. I am at the bottom layer of a lesion, working on the side next to the rim. The rim , used to surround the lesion(like a wall surrounding a housing development), NOW TODAY, because of fizzing it with soda, is unable to make its BEAN MATRIX which includes holes (BEAN HOUSES), and 5 sided individual rims around bean houses(BEAN FENCES) . There is one more function i observe the BEAN MATRIX creates..........Most of the BEANS(white elastic membrane rooted in individual holes(BEAN HOUSES),surrounded by a BEAN FENCE, also are seperated from the next bean by a level flat whitish matrix functioning like a yard of grass(ok, dirt, earth) which further seperates the individual BEAN. In summary.......the bean lives in a house, usually with a 5 sided fence, with a yard which extends to the neighboors 5 sided fence/house/bean. Interestingly.....the beans can POP UP from its house(*) , and it can retract into its house(.). All the beans can do this simintaneously (*)(*)(*)(*)(.)(.)(.)(.)WHat triggers this?BEAN CELL PHONES? MORE BEAN STORIES: Today, at this point in my "soda sessions", which have gone on daily for months.....these beans are small. They pull out easily with tweezers.They are elastic, they can stretch without breaking. Under the microscope they have a thick membrane, are oblong, sometimes have a frey of fibers at the rooted end. Some have a transparent interior, some designs that are still hard to make out at 200x, and some have color also...red to pink to amber. I have found, using clear packaging tape on my skin near the lesion........a pale red fiber. It is captured on packageing tape and "as seen on tv" using my pro-scope tv microscope, appears to be a pale red fiber. This fiber has an area along its length where a tiny branch has errupted and a pinkish ball ,and or whitish ball appears at the end of the branch. I have reported before, i have found on my skin, by the same method of tape to tv microscope....a transparent fiber with tiny red balls in it spaced equal distant. When pressure was put on it, the balls would flow one direction, then the opposite. I add that picture to this new one im reporting.......that the fiber can branch, and the balls appear at the ends of it. Perhaps this is how a "bean is born". I want to add to the above picture that i have also taped off my facial skin, next to a lesion..........a sample of transparent goo, surrounded in a membrane in an oval shape. Inside the membrane was what looked like lots of folded up pale pink fibers. I named this the "bean bus". Now, if a bean wants to grow, it could make goo that"s transparent....lets call it a glob. Put a pinkish egg/seed in the glob, now lets call it a blob. A "blob" i define as a membrane with transparent goo with pinkish dots (seeds/eggs) in it. It is a glob that is impregnated. If you are still with me on this: The bean makes a transparent goo, if the goo has its own membrane i call it a glob. If the glob has pinkish dots inside it i call it a blob. The glob and blob are made by the bean, and can be transported in the ooze/goo, like boats set upon the ocean, or cars on the highway. If a glob grows to maturity, it looks like a membrane packed full of folded /crimped fibers. If the membrane opens, perhaps these folded fibers unfold into transparent tubes full of baby beans(...............) The baby beans now travel like they are on a train...the fiber transporting them, and they flowing thru this means to their new destination, or with stops along the way(in which the fiber sends out a branch, and they sprout at the end of it. If you are still, by some miracle reading this, lets keep going.... GLOB=bean goo with a membrane BLOB=bean goo with a membrane and impregnated with pale pinkish to red dots inside it BEAN BUS=a mature bean blob , transparent and filled with folded pale pink fibers, which are filled with tiny eggs/seeds BEAN TRAIN=long transparent fibers that come out of a bean bus, unfold, and transport tiny eggs/seeds. The baby beans can "go the distance" with the fiber, or the fiber can send out a branch and the baby bean can get off the train and "bloom where its planted". Now, if by some chance, you are still with me on this....what is missing from this picture is a plane, and while were at it, a rocket...........and what about cars, bikes, trikes for the "independant beans". The scary question, is what about the subway ? The transport under the skin? BEAN AIRPLANES=the bean makes goo, the goo is filled with globs and blobs. The goo drys out in air at the top of the lesion. The dryed goo breaks into hardened particles. The particles leave the hardened and dried goo "for other pastures" via becoming airborn. I have found globs and blobs on many surfaces. I have found them outside, at a hotel on furnishings, on sidewalks. My friend with a daycare....i have found them on her bathroom counter, the ceiling of the inside of her car. And i have found them in the skin layers over a hiding lesion. On the ends of fingertips, under fingernails. Figuring out how the BEAN SUBWAY works should be interesting....stay tuned for more BEAN STORIES.

The following excerpt is what I would like to deem exhibit "A" as evidence that Nancy was describing much more than just fungus.

the bean lives in a house, usually with a 5 sided fence, with a yard which extends to the neighboors 5 sided fence/house/bean. Interestingly.....the beans can POP UP from its house(*) , and it can retract into its house(.). All the beans can do this simintaneously

For an individual that had no prior knowledge of Bryozoans it is uncanny to say the least that her description so closely parallels that of a Bryozoan.

Here are the facts about Bryozoans that match almost exactly what Nancy was describing.

The individual animals within a colony are called zooids. (The bean)

Each zooid secretes and lives inside a non-living house called a zooecium (pl-zooecia), in some species this house is a slimy mucus, while in others it is a chitinous, somewhat leathery cuticle. (Living in it's house)

These zooecia come in many different shapes including 3, 4, 5, and 6 sided, round and oval. (The five-sided fence)

Each zooecium has a hole at the top called an orifice. In some species this orifice can be sealed shut by a sort of door called an operculum. (Where it pops up from it's house)

Each zooid has a ring of tentacles or lophophore, which the animal can extend and retract through the orifice, as circumstances require, a bit like a 'Jack-in-the-Box', often with great speed. The lophophore may be either extended flower-like during feeding, or collapsed and completely withdrawn into the interior of the colony

Each zooid is connected to the rest of the zooids by the funiculus, which transfers nutrients throughout the colony and is believed to allow communication throughout the colony. Touching some colonies that have vibraculae, causes all of them throughout the colony to bend and point toward the point of disturbance, how this occurs and is affected is poorly understood. (The simutaneous actions of the beans popping up and retracting)

As soon as I find it I can even account for the "yard" that extends to the neighbors five-sided fence that she referred to, the "yard" is typical of a specific species of Bryozoan that has significant separation between zooids, I am still looking for the site where that description is located.

[dragonfly2]

I email Nancy now and then and I too commented and tried to give my input when possible on her threads! More beans? Some of my hundreds of lesions didnt have beans.

[dragonfly2]

These are the other THINGS found in some of my hundreds of lesions!

[dragonfly2]

These are the specks that itch sooooooo bad, found at the top of a new lesion

[Steve Frey]

Here is a partial quote from Nancy's thread dated May 6, 2007.

Lets say you go to the store and buy some peat
planters, say 24 pots in a tray. Each pot gets one white "bean". Now
stack each tray. Put 100 trays on top of each other stacked. This
represents the layering of a deep lesion that has been there for 10
years. All the peat is connected and saturated into the skin,beans
growing in individual pots. Somehow the entire unit is connected to
a blood source. And the whole unit has individual functions. It can
form a rim in seconds, it can create ooze that covers the
unit. I cannot get the entire lesion out in one session
with baking soda. Wish to God i could. The sides of it are soaked
into the facial skin, so i only deal with the inside of the lesion,
removing what the soda softens. Yet, the next day there is more to
remove, kind of like the movie...Ground Hog Day, been there done
that. Yet, progress is made. Often the stacks of
layers get folded over, or raised. Let say by soda session on day 5,
i find that the soda has leveled a side rim that was raised. On day
25, layer number 85, which was doubled over in the center gets
removed, thus alowing puckered skin to have more slack. On day 60,
following this imaginary example....layer number 90 has a fat bean
in one cup, larger than the rest. I wiggle it with tweezers, but it
is stuck solid. I stretch it with tweezers and it retracts, and
snaps back into the cup. It hurts to do anything with it. I put soda
on and let it do its job. By the next day....this larger bean is
sticking out more than the day before. The top of it is stretched
and limp. I wiggle it, but its hooked in deep and wont come out. I
put more soda on it. The next days session i try again. I wiggle it,
and it pops out. I see a deep hole in the magnifying mirror. The
hole looks empty, like an inverted cone. Suddenly blood fills the
entire lesion from that hole. It trickles over the edge of the
lesion. I catch the overflow with soda, the blood saturates the
soda. I remove it and put in more soda. I do this for an hour. Im
putting soda on other lesions, and keep checking on the trickle of
blood. This goes on for hour 2. Finally its done. What is it, and
what is done. I have no idea...im just "going with the flow". ONe
lesion i had on my chin tickled blood for 2 hours one session, and
the next day for 3 hours. Yeah...this is absolutely crazy, and maybe
a big mistake, and i am the fool, but ...alas, i commited to this
soda experiement. And this is what i have experienced with the
behavior of the inside of the lesion.
Finally the last layer of the lesion. I reached the bottom of one of
those today. I put a couple of beans under the microscope. At 200x
they just look like a clear blob, maybe a speck of bright red
inside. They lose the elongated shape quickly. The end that the
tweezers did not touch, often looks like it has a spray of fibers, a
tuft of something whitish clear. I cant tell the detail, would need
a more powerful scope. I put the bic lighter to one of them i was
holding in the tweezers. The tip balled up black, and the rest of it
turned orange. I have no idea what this is, or what that reaction
means.

I call as evidence deemed exhibit "B" the following excerpt;

Lets say you go to the store and buy some peat
planters, say 24 pots in a tray. Each pot gets one white "bean". Now
stack each tray. Put 100 trays on top of each other stacked. This
represents the layering of a deep lesion that has been there for 10
years.

What Nancy has described here very closely parallels the description of a mat-like colony of bryozoans.

Bryozoan colonies often grow in mat-like formations sometimes many layers deep.


I also call as evidence deemed exhibit "C" the following excerpt;

The end that the tweezers did not touch, often looks like it has a spray of fibers, a tuft of something whitish clear.

I believe that what she is describing here very closely parallels the bryozoan's lophophore.

Each zooid has a ring of tentacles or lophophore, which the animal can extend and retract through the orifice, as circumstances require, a bit like a 'Jack-in-the-Box', often with great speed. The lophophore may be either extended flower-like during feeding, or collapsed and completely withdrawn into the interior of the colony

[howie]

Steve,

I've done a little research and agree that there is some credibility to your theory. I have thought it might be a type of slug - I think some had even posted theories along these lines awhile back...

I wonder what your thoughts are regarding PH - it would seem that any type of marine life wouldn't thrive in a more acidic PH, but M seems to. Also, it would seem marine life would prefer a salty environment, yet most who try the salt/vit c protocol seem to improve from it.

[Steve Frey]

Originally Posted by howie

Steve,

I've done a little research and agree that there is some credibility to your theory. I have thought it might be a type of slug - I think some had even posted theories along these lines awhile back...

I wonder what your thoughts are regarding PH - it would seem that any type of marine life wouldn't thrive in a more acidic PH, but M seems to. Also, it would seem marine life would prefer a salty environment, yet most who try the salt/vit c protocol seem to improve from it.

Hey Howie, I would like to clarify my current position or theory in this matter, while I still believe that in many individuals the entity manifests itself as a bryozoan type organism, particularly in Nancy's case, I now believe that the core of the entity aligns more with the sponge, in fact I believe that the entire bryozoan phylum, Ectoprocta, is a product of the sponge. Bryozoans were one of the only organisms that didn't suddenly appear during the Cambrian Explosion, an era some 535 million years ago, it began to show up in fossil evidence some time later. The bryozoan and sponge are extremely similar, in fact even the experts cannot sometimes tell them apart, to the best of my knowledge one of the primary differences is that bryozoans have some organs where as sponges don't. This can make a huge difference in one respect inparticular, the ability to completely disassociate it's cells and then reaggregate them, in other words, the sponge and the placozoans are, again to the best of my knowledge, the only organisms on the planet that can literally disassemble themselves down to individual cells while each cell still maintains life and is able to act on their own, they can then put themselves back together, each cell re-aquiring the same position amongst the others that it held before disassembly, this IMO is absolutely incredible and clearly places these organisms in a league of their own. I also believe this trait is evident with the morgellons entity which is why, IMO, there can really be no other answer to the morgellons puzzle, it simply has to be an organism with this capability, there are several reasons why I say this and would be happy to go into it if anyone is interested.

As far as salinity, yes everything in the marine environment has to live in salinity to one degree or another but that window is not very wide, raising it or lower it even slightly will kill much of the life that lives in a marine environment, some organisms are designed to handle greater variables but this is not true with most organisms.

As far as pH, again certainly there must be a window that the organism must live in I just have no idea what that window is and I admit I have not spent much time researching this area.

One thing I want to point out, and this is true with both the bryozoan as well as the sponge, adaptability is probably one of their strongest traits, they seem to be able to make whatever changes necessary in order to survive. Just as an example of this I will reference one of the most incredible studies that I have ever come across, it was I believe regarding bryozoans but don't quote me on that because it might have been sponges but it was one or the other. The colony resided in a body of water that saw little to no wave action, the wave action is necessary for the offspring to be dispursed some distance from the original colony so that they don't contend for the same space. So the colony created it's own wave, just like a stadium wave at a football game, this allowed the offspring to drift away from the original colony, now that's improvising.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Kritters

Realitycheck wrote:

This talk of "beans" and "tentacles" is the stuff of myth. Every minute detail that you have described is characteristic of a subdermal fungal condition. Even the pictures on rense.com are exactly what this condition looks like. The "beans" and "tentacles" are what happens when the fungus invades a pore of hair follicle. After the fungus eats the hair and root in the follicle, it rebuilds right away and resides there. You can rip off the callus and you can tweeze til the cows come home, but if you want to end this cycle of craziness, get a tube of nystatin and triamcinolone. Use it BID (twice a day).. You can also get an oral prescription for griseofulvin, terbinafine, and itraconazole, which are are often used to treat this condition. These lesions will be gone within a week or so.

You do not have Morgellons. You have a dermatophyte infection. If it's on your body, it's called tinea corporis If it's on your scalp, it's called tinea capitis. Dermatophytes inhabit the layers of the skin, hair, and nail, which is attractive for its warm, moist environment conducive to fungal proliferation.

Like any fungus,it's pretty contagious. I suffered for two years with this condition until I discovered it was a dermatophyte condition. It's all gone now.


I hope no one minds that I began this thread...Whether or not Chester's beans were actually a fungus, this is a good thread, I think, to explore, don't you all? I actually remember finding pictures of fungus which looked a lot like the beans a few years ago. It could be a fungal component of something as well, if not just fungus.

Kritters

I've only just noticed this as I have been winding down our summer days.
I don't know if anyone remembers me posting that me and my husband were starting oral terbinafine back in I think March of this year...2009. We've since switched from oral terbinafine to oral ketoconazole. It is now approaching the end of August. We have found SOME relief but I am no where near cured.

To say that this can be gone in just the matter of a few weeks on oral terbinafine I'm afraid is not accurate at least for my family.

Here is the original post if you don't believe me:


Lamisil Day 46
Thanks for posting this.

Morgan

[dragonfly2]

This was about a half inch long around entire nail.

[Steve Frey]

Here is a species of bryozoan that appears to align with the description Nancy gives in her thread regarding the "5 sided fence" and the "yard" which would be the "heavy calcification between zooids", it's size is also such that it could easily reside in a lesion, approx 10 thousands of an inch or about the size of the head of a sewing needle, give or take.

Species Description:
S. cornuta forms encrusting colonies that are pink to salmon in color. Zooids are oval to hexagonal and measure approximately 0.35 X 0.25 mm in size. Heavy calcification between zooids obscures distinct boundaries between individuals. The frontal surface is perforated by many tiny pores that become more irregular in shape as the colony ages due to secondary calcification. The orifice is semicircular with 2 cardelles and a proximal V-shaped sinus. Avicularia are elliptical and may be single or paired. They are raised on processes inferior and lateral to the orifice, and generally have their mandibles pointed upward at a 45-degree angle.

At the site I linked to below it also speaks of the color of the embryos being orange-red to cherry red, just as Nancy described seeing orange dots or something to that effect in her thread.

Schizo_cornut